[QUOTE=ok lateralus]I think the worst production is on Still Life, really. It's extremely muddy and I don't like the tone of the acoustics. I do admit that Orchid and Morningrise have fairly ****ty production but I love them the way they are. And MAYH's production is great, very fitting for that album I mean. The drums sound so brutal and everything sounds so cold and dark that it just fits.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I'll have to agree with that. I really like the way My Arms, Your Hearse came out, it fit the entire mood of the album.

I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct. While on those first two you could even say they're TOO distinct--the whole sound doesn't mix together so well--it's still better than Still Life where everything's really muddy and mushed together. You can't hear the bass at all, and a lot of the acoustic parts have really bad tone (Face of Melinda is the worst) and on some parts like the acoustic parts of Godhead's Lament the mix is just messy and doesn't sound good.

It's still my favorite album though, like I said. And interestingly the parts I just referred to (FoM and those parts of Godhead) are some of my favorite parts of the album.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy](And I don't think they match too well on deadwing either)[/QUOTE]

I think they match up great on DW, especially on ASBNH. I think Akerfeldt really makes that song better.

[QUOTE=Jude]I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct.[/QUOTE]

What? Still Life has very clear production. The only problem is the bassiness of the acoustics on Benighted and Face of Melinda. The electrics are very nicely done, though, as are the drums. Yeah, you can't hear the bass, but the type is so "wall-of-sound" anyway that it hardly matters.

The mix on MAYH is much worse.

[QUOTE=Cain]What? Still Life has very clear production. The only problem is the bassiness of the acoustics on Benighted and Face of Melinda. The electrics are very nicely done, though, as are the drums. Yeah, you can't hear the bass, but the type is so "wall-of-sound" anyway that it hardly matters.

The mix on MAYH is much worse.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, totally. MAYH is way muddier and dense-sounding. In my eyes, Still Life has almost as good production as Blackwater Park.

[QUOTE=Jude]I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct. While on those first two you could even say they're TOO distinct--the whole sound doesn't mix together so well--it's still better than Still Life where everything's really muddy and mushed together. You can't hear the bass at all, and a lot of the acoustic parts have really bad tone (Face of Melinda is the worst) and on some parts like the acoustic parts of Godhead's Lament the mix is just messy and doesn't sound good.

It's still my favorite album though, like I said. And interestingly the parts I just referred to (FoM and those parts of Godhead) are some of my favorite parts of the album.[/QUOTE]


About the bass, Mendez joined right in time for the recording of the album, that might have something to do with it. Him getting used to the structure of Mikaels writing. I really wasn't too fond of the recording production on [I]Still Life[/I], but for some reason, I'm glad it turned out the way it did.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Agreed, totally. MAYH is way muddier and dense-sounding. In my eyes, Still Life has almost as good production as Blackwater Park.[/QUOTE]
It sounds good, but very few albums match the production of Blackwater Park. Combine that with amazing songwriting and you've got one hell of a recording.

I used to really love the production on Blackwater Park, but it's worn off on me. The bass drum is fairly inaudible, and the guitars don't sound as good as on GR. I know that's a pretty rare opinion, but I love GR's production.. one of the best I've ever heard.

GR's production is fantastic. It's the first album with Mendez on (excluding Damnation) that you can hear everything he does. Only the vocals take a slight hit because Wilson is a god at vocal production, but everything else is perfect.

I think the production on Blackwater Park is extremely unique and sounds just amazing to my ears, while GR's production is just very good. The thing that strikes me about it is that it's crystal clear.

[QUOTE=Kage]I think the production on Blackwater Park is extremely unique and sounds just amazing to my ears, while GR's production is just very good. The thing that strikes me about it is that it's crystal clear.[/QUOTE]

GR you mean? I don't know what it is about Blackwater Park. I may have just overlistened the album, but the guitars just sound too dense or something.

[QUOTE=toaster135]GR you mean? I don't know what it is about Blackwater Park. I may have just overlistened the album, but the guitars just sound too dense or something.[/QUOTE]
BWP - Unique and amazing, layered sound
GR - Very good, crystal clear
:)

I really get an atmospheric feel from BWP, more than any other Opeth album. I love all the subtle E-bow floating around on the thick guitar sound. It's like being in a forest at night.

[QUOTE=toaster135]GR you mean? I don't know what it is about Blackwater Park. I may have just overlistened the album, but the guitars just sound too dense or something.[/QUOTE]


I thought Blackwater Park had fantastic production in all areas, which I can't really say about [B]O[/B]peth's pre-existing albums to be honest. I think the production on Ghost Reveries is outstanding as well on the other hand.

I love Orchid sooo much now, IMO Ghost reveries is nothing compared to Orchid. I even love Ghost Reveries to.

[QUOTE=Kage]BWP - Unique and amazing, layered sound
GR - Very good, crystal clear
:)[/QUOTE]


My thoughts exactly. :)

I love Orchid because it's so mysterious. I really like that acoustic part near the end of Under the Weeping Moon, just full of darkness and mystery.

[QUOTE=SilentScream7]I love Orchid sooo much now, IMO Ghost reveries is nothing compared to Orchid. I even love Ghost Reveries to.[/QUOTE]
I like GR more than Orchid, but it's the only album that I like less than GR.

That main riff in Under the Weeping Moon is awesome.

As for production: GR and Damnation have the best, bar none. GR's is absolutely clear as can be (possibly because of the longer time they had to record and produce due to rehearsing before hand), and Damnation's because everything is in it's own soundscape, while still being absolutely clear. The drum sound on Deliverance is great too (partly because whoever mixed it, I can't remember who, mixed the acoustic drums with samples to make them clearer)

I know I missed those GR conversations a few pages back (didn't have internet for a few days :( ), but I just listened to the album today again, whole way through. My opinion of it, is pretty much the same I'm affraid... the first 3 tracks, very solid. Then, the album just seems to go down hill, but still has a few good moments... I don't know what it is, this album just repells me save those first 3 songs... Oh well, like you guys said, it was the probably the massive anticipation we all had for the album that recked it (for me, anyways)...

Anyways, I love the production on Still Life. I think the acoustic parts sound really dark and magical, and match and help create the over all atmosphere that Mikeal was attempting to create while writing the lyrics.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I know I missed those GR conversations a few pages back (didn't have internet for a few days :( ), but I just listened to the album today again, whole way through. My opinion of it, is pretty much the same I'm affraid... the first 3 tracks, very solid. Then, the album just seems to go down hill, but still has a few good moments... I don't know what it is, this album just repells me save those first 3 songs... Oh well, like you guys said, it was the probably the massive anticipation we all had for the album that recked it (for me, anyways)...

Anyways, I love the production on Still Life. I think the acoustic parts sound really dark and magical, and match and help create the over all atmosphere that Mikeal was attempting to create while writing the lyrics.[/QUOTE]
I guess I see what you mean about Still Life. Well, I love it anyway, no matter how the production sounds. I don't know if it would have been better or worse with BWP quality production.

About GR, another complaint I have is the lyrics...maybe it's the fact that the concept wasn't fully developed, but the lyrics on this album just don't seem up to par with earlier stuff. Harlequin Forest especially bothers me.

Oh yeah. The lyrics on Harlequin Forest are the first lyrics of Mikeals that have actually, sucked. "These are the tree"... come on Mikey...

I don't know what you guys are talking about with the Still Life production...I can hear the bass just fine. Maybe not as much as on Morningrise, but then again...:lol:

Why the hell aren't they gonna play in LA or Anaheim. This BLOWS!

Though GR isn't my favorite album, Isolation years is one of the prettiest songs I have heard.

[QUOTE=Deth]GR's production is fantastic. It's the first album with Mendez on (excluding Damnation) that you can hear everything he does. Only the vocals take a slight hit because Wilson is a god at vocal production, but everything else is perfect.[/QUOTE]

I actually very much dislike Wilson's vocal production on the OPeth albums. I felt that Mikael's voice has gotten a lot better, sure, since the earlier days... But that's because his voice has just gotten better (take GR for example compared to Orchid or Morningrise)... But the vocal production was just annoying when Wilson. You could hear Mikael's voice being better than it was... But there were qualities that were very annoying with Mikael's voice (namely, telephone voice).

Have they ever played B.R.I. live? I'd love to hear it live!

I'm not the biggest fan of BRI. It's a pretty weak Opeth track, I think. I've never heard of them playing it live, though.

[quote=Det_Nosnip]I don't know what you guys are talking about with the Still Life production...I can hear the bass just fine. Maybe not as much as on Morningrise, but then again...[/quote]

Yeah, at some point there's [I]too[/I] much bass. And when he uses effects on his bass? Yuck.

[QUOTE=toaster135]I'm not the biggest fan of BRI. It's a pretty weak Opeth track, I think. I've never heard of them playing it live, though.



I think Black Rose Immortal is great. That might be due to the fact that i like to play it on guitar. There's alot of good riffs in the song. Also some good acoustic parts. The first time i heard that scream at the end of the song i almost soiled myself (this was before i heard any of his old high pitched screams).

is anyone attending the Los Angeles show on march 14th? If so, how is the Wiltern theater? What are the best seats? Is level 3 seating any good?

[QUOTE=toaster135]I'm not the biggest fan of BRI. It's a pretty weak Opeth track, I think. I've never heard of them playing it live, though.



Yeah, at some point there's [I]too[/I] much bass. And when he uses effects on his bass? Yuck.[/QUOTE]

I agree whol heartedly. BRI is in my opinion lots of cool riffs thrown in and somehow connected by acoustic parts. I also agree about the bass,

[QUOTE=Animus Light]I actually very much dislike Wilson's vocal production on the OPeth albums. I felt that Mikael's voice has gotten a lot better, sure, since the earlier days... But that's because his voice has just gotten better (take GR for example compared to Orchid or Morningrise)... But the vocal production was just annoying when Wilson. You could hear Mikael's voice being better than it was... But there were qualities that were very annoying with Mikael's voice (namely, telephone voice).[/QUOTE]

Ehrm, this is the way it is on records. Of course they're going to tune up the vocals. As long as he hits the notes live (which he does) I don't see why you'd complain.

[QUOTE=JamJar]I agree whol heartedly. BRI is in my opinion lots of cool riffs thrown in and somehow connected by acoustic parts. I also agree about the bass,[/QUOTE]
****ing noobs' you have no idea about what are you talking. so shut the **** up

[QUOTE=Biancazzurri]****ing noobs' you have no idea about what are you talking. so shut the **** up[/QUOTE]

What the hell is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=Cain]What the hell is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
I'd also like to know. It's called an opinion buddy, maybe you've heard of that concept.

[QUOTE=Biancazzurri]****ing noobs' you have no idea about what are you talking. so shut the **** up[/QUOTE]

That statement actually made me laugh.

Yeah, I think he's kidding. But if not, I'd love to have a discussion about it.

I like Black Rose Immortal, even if it is just a bunch of cool riffs thrown together. That's what all their early stuff is, anyway.

What's the "telephone voice?"

[QUOTE=Jude]I like Black Rose Immortal, even if it is just a bunch of cool riffs thrown together. That's what all their early stuff is, anyway.

What's the "telephone voice?"[/QUOTE]
The clean vox on the first few verses of The Drapery Falls I think.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]The clean vox on the first few verses of The Drapery Falls I think.[/QUOTE]

Haha, that's what it sounds like.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Haha, that's what it sounds like.[/QUOTE]
I like it, I think it adds to the drama. :)