I do like mikaels growling on GR, I can understand the lyrics with out having to read them.

Ghost Reveries <3

Oh, and GR is a little more accessable than their other albums. It'd say it was way more accessable than something like Orchid or MAYH.

I liked GR more before I heard other stuff by Opeth :\ but I don't dislike it now.

How does going lighter make Opeth sellouts? I find some of their lighter stuff even harder and more complicated to listen to than their heavier stuff.

GR is still, imo, one of their greatest albums.
I mean, it doesn't quite compare to Still Life or Blackwater Park, but its a stonker of an album in its own right!

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]How does going lighter make Opeth sellouts? I find some of their lighter stuff even harder and more complicated to listen to than their heavier stuff.[/QUOTE]
Some people will call their favorite bands sellouts just for lack of anything better to do. Look at In Flames. All they did was start to suck and all of a sudden everyone's bitching about how they sold out.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]You just lost all my respect for posting that.
That way of looking at music should be reserved for britney spears fans[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.

[QUOTE=Flynn]roflmao, it's probably not really him. Like he would have the time to come on a Forum just to explain that little detail to one individual? Even so, I don't bash that album, It is simply my least favorite of Opeth's recordings...that's all.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's definitely Mike...M-Lo used to post there anonymously, Lee B. (their old tour manager) posted under Lee B., Anders Nordin posted there under ante.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]
*Gets out of the way*

[QUOTE=Jude]Some people will call their favorite bands sellouts just for lack of anything better to do. Look at In Flames. All they did was [B]start to suck [/B]and all of a sudden everyone's bitching about how they sold out.[/QUOTE]

I love StYE. They definitely changed to a more alternative-influenced sound, but it doesn't mean they got any worse.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Yes, it's definitely Mike...M-Lo used to post there anonymously, Lee B. (their old tour manager) posted under Lee B., Anders Nordin posted there under ante.[/QUOTE]


That's kinda cool, it shows he cares a lot about what the forum community has to say. BTW, I had your back in that [I]one[/I] thread the other day. They were being complete jerks; You know what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Flynn]That's kinda cool, it shows he cares a lot about what the forum community has to say. BTW, I had your back in that [I]one[/I] thread the other day. They were being complete jerks; You know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.

[QUOTE=Jude]What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.[/QUOTE]

I'm NicholasDWolfwood

[QUOTE=Jude]What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.[/QUOTE]


I'm not a member there, I was reffering to the Metallica Inc. thread here.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I'm not a member there, I was reffering to the Metallica Inc. thread here.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]

Opeth didn't start out making music to become famous. They didn't start out making Orchid to please anyone but themselves. It was sheer luck that anyone actually thought they had made good music. Everytime Opeth changes it is to please noone but themselves, and that's how good music comes about, good music doesn't come from trying to please the fans, usually if you try to please the fans, crappy music emerges. I can't believe any Opeth fan could even think the thought that Opeth owes them something, how incredibly arrogant.

So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.

[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

its allright, but his growls are very different from opeth.

[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

I didn't even know that he did the vox for Bloodbath...

[quote=Jack Daniels]its allright, but his growls are very different from opeth.[/quote]

Yeah I'd expect he'd change his style a bit to fit the music...how are they different?

It's a good album. Very old school death.

I still say that Nightmares Made Flesh is a better album.

[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

On side projects, fans of Mikael's older, more black metalish vocal style would be best advised to pick up Brave Murder Day by Katatonia.

Nothing like their newer stuff. It's very death doomish.

I can't find that album anywhere....the only albums by Katatonia I was able to find were Viva Emptiness and Today's Decision, which are both very good. I wonder when he joined Katatonia....he released the album with them right after Orchid.

He didn't technically join, he just did guest vocals on it on a few tracks.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]
no you didn't get him either. opeth don't ask the fans for what music to do. you know why? because then it will be crap. opeth present their music from different viewpoints like it or not. so it's FOR the fans but it's equally for opeth also. there is sometimes you know, when the artist makes pieces for his developement and you can only look at it or listen to it but your oppinion doesn't count for him at all.

:lol: yes, bands that play basements freaking suck.... wait... I saw Kill Your Idols in a basement.... I saw Mastodon in a basement... I saw Letdown in a basement... I saw Circle Takes the Square in a basement...

One Mikael thing that I want to hear is Crimson by Edge of Sanity: as Dan Swano actually had a large hand in writing the clean vocal melodies on Morningrise (Black Rose Immortal features a lot of Swano-penned melodies and To Bid You Farewell has guest vocals by him during the heavy section I believe), and Mikael apparently does some awesome death screams on that album (which is supposed to be like the greatest death concept album ever anyway), I'd be interested in picking it up.

[QUOTE] yes, bands that play basements freaking suck.... wait... I saw Kill Your Idols in a basement.... I saw Mastodon in a basement... I saw Letdown in a basement... I saw Circle Takes the Square in a basement...[/QUOTE]

Vikingcore, ever since Dargon left and stopped harrassing you about your former worship of Korn, you seem to have been molding yourself in his image by acting like an elitist dick to people and dropping tr00 bands like mad when someone makes the slightest uninformed comment. This is a mistake. Give it a rest and respond to people with intelligently-thought-out arguments instead of asshattery.

Mastodon is definitely not a tr00 band. :lol: Also, he still worships Korn.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Mastodon is definitely not a tr00 band. :lol: Also, he still worships Korn.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, you know what I mean though. Someone made a thread in the Pit about wanting more good music and Vikingcore listed like fifty metal bands that are all below mainstream-levels and was like "Here's GOOD music!" :rolleyes: And now he's doing the name-dropping game to intimidate Flynn with his superior knowledge of metal. It's just stupid.

Flynn's point was dumb, but it isn't because Eleventeen saw Mastodon in a basement.

That does sound very interesting...especially if Dan Swano was behind some of the melodies in Black Rose Immortal. I had no idea they'd collaborated with anyone other than Steve Wilson.

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]That does sound very interesting...especially if Dan Swano was behind some of the melodies in Black Rose Immortal. I had no idea they'd collaborated with anyone other than Steve Wilson.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Swano produced Orchid and Morningrise.

So MAYH, Still Life, and GR were the only albums they did completely on their own?

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]So MAYH, Still Life, and GR were the only albums they did completely on their own?[/QUOTE]

MAYH was done by Fredrik Nordström and GR was done by Jens Bogren. Still Life is the only album where Opeth gets sole credit as producers.

[QUOTE=Cain]MAYH was done by Fredrik Nordström and GR was done by Jens Bogren. Still Life is the only album where Opeth gets sole credit as producers.[/QUOTE]
And it has the worst production, whoa.

(still my favorite album though)

[QUOTE]One Mikael thing that I want to hear is Crimson by Edge of Sanity[/QUOTE]

I have the hook up if you'd like. It's good... and long.. maybe too long. Definetly not as good as anything Opeth has done. Sometimes during Swano's clean vocal parts, he adds a power metal accent to some words. That's what I'm calling it anyways.

And if anyone else would like it just petethecowz me an AIM or email [email]petethecow@hotmail.com[/email]

i was reading the booklet for damnation, and i noticed that it says steven wilson does backing vocals on it - for some reason i can never hear him though.. can anyone tell me some points on the album where his voice is prominent?

(i could tell right away that wilson produced the album though, some parts are just so porcupine tree ! :p)

[QUOTE=Jude]And it has the worst production, whoa.

(still my favorite album though)[/QUOTE]

You think so? Morningrise and Orchid have terrible production.

[QUOTE]i was reading the booklet for damnation, and i noticed that it says steven wilson does backing vocals on it - for some reason i can never hear him though.. can anyone tell me some points on the album where his voice is prominent?[/QUOTE]

I can hear him singing the high harmony parts at the end of "Windowpane," and he sings the highest part in the three-part harmony of "To Rid the Disease."

[QUOTE=Pale-Folklore](i could tell right away that wilson produced the album though, some parts are just so porcupine tree ! :p)[/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park, and Deliverance were produced by steven too
I don't hear the "porcupine tree" in damnation, well, I can definately hear it was steven wilson who produced it, but the only musical influence he had was that he wrote the keyboard parts, and the lyrics to death whispered a lullaby.. and the keyboard parts definately doesn't sound like anything I've heard in PT

[QUOTE=Cain]You think so? Morningrise and Orchid have terrible production.



I can hear him singing the high harmony parts at the end of "Windowpane," and he sings the highest part in the three-part harmony of "To Rid the Disease."[/QUOTE]

While the production is thin on Orchid and MR, at least all the instruments are audible. On MAYH, the drum sound is totally muddy. The bass drum can barely be heard, and there's some problem with the cymbals (signal distortion?).

I never liked any of Wilson's singing in Opeth. When he does the harmonies he goes way over the top, it never sounds good. Examples: A Fair Judgement, Windowpane. He was okay in Bleak, but his voice is just really thin and weak sounding overall. It fits well in PT, mind you.

I think they blend amazingly in bleak, but I agree that their voices doesn't match too well on the damnation songs.. (And I don't think they match too well on deadwing either)

I think the worst production is on Still Life, really. It's extremely muddy and I don't like the tone of the acoustics. I do admit that Orchid and Morningrise have fairly ****ty production but I love them the way they are. And MAYH's production is great, very fitting for that album I mean. The drums sound so brutal and everything sounds so cold and dark that it just fits.