Moon will prevail in the polls.

^Silly drumming polls. Or perhaps silly voters. Can you imagine [I]anyone[/I] so deaf, dumb, and blind that they would even consider a different drummer? That would make them stupid, too, WTF?

*shakes head in pity*

Moon will have a hard time beating Peart, because all metal fans like Peart too.

Peart is useless outside of Rush. What a cliche. Neil Peart, lol. The guy is a good drummer. But flash and technique is not everything in rock n roll. And here again lies one of the main arguments in rock n roll once again. Does superior technical ability make you a better musician then those without the same level of it. IMO, no, it does not. Is Joe Satriani a better guitarist then Chuck Berry? Is Neil Peart a better drummer then Keith Moon? Not in their wildest wet dreams. Unfortunatly the reasons for this are lost on many. Especially metal fans who think it's all about speed, accuracy, and precision. How very boring.....


EDIT: It's great to see all the Who thread regulars giving Moon a boost in the voting. United we are strong. And I'm breaking out my alt accounts for final voting. :p

I have a great deal of respect for some of these incredibly technical drummers (Carl Palmer, for example), but in general I agree with you. As I said in the voting thread, a great deal of people with some ability can pick up sticks and practice rudiments, theory, counting, etc. until they become great drummers. No one can pick a pair of sticks and become Keith Moon.

Moon had flair, style, and originality. I've been listening to the Young Vic album and his playing is amazing. And yes, even on a technical level. His drummimg is superb. It's loose, it swings, it rises and falls, it becomes an intricate part of the song without getting in the way of the song. Keith Moon was more then those things you mention in your above post. More then rudiments, theory, and counting. He was in fact a brilliant drummer, and rare for a drummer, a [I]musician.[/I] He was like a jazz drummer in a rock band. Free flowing, improvisational, and yet with a method to his madness. I really can't say enough about him. And the Young Vic recordings just do more to convince me.

....I voted for Jarzombek...

But only because I knew Moon would go through and Jarzombek has a chance to get the fifth spot and he deserves it.

That Young Vic performance is tops though. Absolutely great.

^We need your vote in the finals, man. :(

Oh when push comes to shove, I'll vote for Moon. For sure.

I went with Moon, I think he really deserves it. Like Lunch said, there'll be plenty more technically skilled drummers to come, but there'll never be another Keith.

Even if based on nothing else, Moon would deserve his spot among the top just because of his stamina, energy, force, and drive. I've never heard anything like that, so powerful and so constant.

Yea.. cause thats exactly what it is that seperates the gods of rock drumming from the players Lunch. Moon was just... superior.. he had raw power, poise, ingenuity.. a lot of drummers can claim to being fast and 'technical.' But could they claim to filling stadiums with over a hundred thousand people? Doubt it.. could they claim to aiding the founding of an entire genre? Not likely... (unless his name is Bonham, of course ;))

Peart is fantastic.. he really is, upper eschelon. He just doesnt have that finite, indescribable quality that Moon had.

You have to give a serious nod to a guy like Moon who generates as much, if not more, percussive drive than the two drummers from Allman Brothers.

I voted Moon and I'll be voting him through all the way. Ginger Baker gives him some competition, but I think I'll be going Moon all the way because I've been really listening to The Who obsessively recently. I love to completely ignore Pete, John, and Roger and just listen to Moon. Live At Leeds is just amazing drum fill after amazing drum fill for 2 and a half hours. And Moon never lets up. Just amazing.

I've been really listening to The Who a lot lately. Last week I had 100 listens of them on my computer which is the highest total that I've ever had for one band in a week. And this week I've been listening to the Young Vic and Leeds a lot to compare them so I expect a similar total.

Oh yeah and Sparks off Live at Leeds is amazing. Amazing Journey > Sparks leaves me speechless every time.

I always listen to them too much, although my Last.fm doesn't usually show it. I usually listen to the Who while driving.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I always listen to them too much, although my Last.fm doesn't usually show it. I usually listen to the Who while driving.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Live At Leeds is one of my top driving albums. I feel like such a rebel blasting it out. But then again, I also drive while listening to Simon and Garfunkel all the time too, so my driving music tastes are pretty weird.

I'm listening to Leeds right now and I'm happy.

While driving I usually listen to the Who, or jam bands. Both make my favorite driving music. The Who just tend to be so awesome and a[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE]s-kicking that it's great rock 'n roll to drive too.

Edit: Haha I'm listening to the Young Vic show :[SIZE="2"]o[/SIZE]bsessed:

For some reason, I really, really love driving to Simon and Garfunkel. It makes absolutely no sense. Simon and Garfunkel are awesome, but I don't think anyone thinks of them as typical "driving" music. But I love listening to them in the car. Pretty weird.

But after them, my favorites are probably Live At Leeds and Cream/Canned Heat/other blues-rock band.

*Listening to 16 minute My Generation:cool:*

Roger is one of the few singers who is actually better live than in the studio. His raw power live is awesome. Especially on this song.

[QUOTE=Tusk]Yea.. cause thats exactly what it is that seperates the gods of rock drumming from the players Lunch. Moon was just... superior.. he had raw power, poise, ingenuity.. a lot of drummers can claim to being fast and 'technical.' But could they claim to filling stadiums with over a hundred thousand people? Doubt it.. could they claim to aiding the founding of an entire genre? Not likely... (unless his name is Bonham, of course ;))

Peart is fantastic.. he really is, upper eschelon. He just doesnt have that finite, indescribable quality that Moon had.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same way. Moon was a gifted drummer. What's interesting to me is I appreciate drummers who stay out of the way. When it comes to rock n roll drummers I'm as much a Charlie Watts/Ringo Starr "less is more" kind of guy as anything else. I also like Martin Chambers from The Pretenders, Clem Burke from Blondie, Bill Berry (formerly of REM) Dave Grohl, and Billy Bonebrake from X. Those are busier drummers then Watts and Starr, of course. But you get the picture. They are not annoying and intrusive. They are not "look at me" style drummers.

Moon on the other hand would seem to be the exact type of drummer that would annoy me. But he doesn't. No soloing, no grand standing, no showing off or explosive displays of virtuosity. He just got behind the kit and played. And he did it brilliantly. Always finding his place in the song, flailing away like a madman, and staying out of the way. He was indeed the perfect drummer.

On another note, here is a site I came across that concerns itself with everything Who when it comes to specifics about instrumentation and equipment and what not. Also has some nice photos and a lot of interesting reads and information, technical and otherwise:

[url]http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/index.html[/url]

I've found that site before, they had so much information on the drumsets Keith used over various points in the group's career. And the pictures are great.

Moon [I]could[/I] be a wildman onstage, but I see exactly what you're saying. Unfortunately, I dont have a live Who DVD yet to really explore those depths. :-/

I actually really like Ringo's drumming as well not only because of its understatement, but because when he DOES play his azz off, it makes his playing that much better. Tomorrow Never Knows and Helter Skelter being famous examples of that. I see where you're coming from saying Moon was understated, but I'd say that he only chose to be that way in studio albums... cause this live stuff.. he shows off his muscles in Live at Leeds, thats for sure.

And actually, you already answered the exact question I came on here to ask.. if Moon ever did any live solo's, cause I thought that would rock, and wanted to give it a listen if he ever had. Cobwebs and Strange will have to do. :p

Here's another question though (which doesnt really belong in here, but while ive got your attention and all).. you're in a band.. and you've got good taste in music (we see that 'cause you're in here!), do you guys take Who as influences? Where can I listen to a song?

There is a video of Moon playing a drum solo (the goldfish video. Even the best drummers get hungry:lol:) but honestly, it's not that good by Moon's standards. For a Moon drum solo, just listen to Live at Leeds and block out all the other instruments. And there you go, 2 hour drum solo.

JXD that site is awesome. Thanks a lot. Great info. And great pics too, some cool Pete windmill pics.

Hey I have question. Did Keith play Uncle Ernie in the Tommy movie? I think I heard that. I really need to see that movie. Even though it's supposed to be terrible.

[QUOTE=Tusk]And actually, you already answered the exact question I came on here to ask.. if Moon ever did any live solo's, cause I thought that would rock, and wanted to give it a listen if he ever had. Cobwebs and Strange will have to do. :p

Here's another question though (which doesnt really belong in here, but while ive got your attention and all).. you're in a band.. and you've got good taste in music (we see that 'cause you're in here!), do you guys take Who as influences? Where can I listen to a song?[/QUOTE]
Moon never solo'd. At least not as part of The Who. I did see him soloing on Towser TV on Pete's website some months back performing for some school kids. He was accompanied by a bongo player, I believe. He was amazing. Very rythmic and soulful. I'm not sure if this is the solo robo is talking about.

So far as a band, I'm not in one anymore. My last band was almost two years ago, although I do fill in on bass for my friends wedding band sometimes. They're pretty good and it's a fun gig to do. The peoples are always happy at weddings. :)

[QUOTE=robo2448] JXD that site is awesome. Thanks a lot. Great info. And great pics too, some cool Pete windmill pics. Hey I have question. Did Keith play Uncle Ernie in the Tommy movie? I think I heard that. I really need to see that movie. Even though it's supposed to be terrible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have just scratched the surface of that site. It's really cool. That Pictures Of Lily kit of Keiths is beautiful. Really nice photos of it on that site, too. And yes, I believe Moon did play Uncle Ernie in Tommy....

[QUOTE=robo2448]There is a video of Moon playing a drum solo (the goldfish video. Even the best drummers get hungry:lol:) .[/QUOTE]
hah! I saw that too, but not the whole video, only till he says that line. What happens after he says that anyway...?

The Tommy movie played at midnight here awhile ago. I didn't see it, I had to work in the morning. I also heard it was fairly bad.

I've never cared for it. I've never really cared for Tommy as a "concept" album, either. I just think it's silly. And the film as a whole is just as. Although it did garner many good reviews as a film musical, it got some bad, too. I suppose the reaction was mixed, from what I can gather on the internet. I've never sat through it all. Just bits and peices. And when I do see it's going to be on somewhere I just kind of think 'WTF is that all about and what the hell were they thinking?' Pete and his fuc.kin' art. "I must do film and stage! BROADWAY CALLS!!" What a wanker....

Seriously though, I can take Tommy on a song to song basis. For about 50 or 60 percent of it. So imagine how I feel about a full scale production. Meh...

Now Quadrophenia is another story. That film is excellent. All reviews you will see on it will say as much. Set in Brighton Beach and with it's feet on the ground. Good drama. Story of a kid. Could be any kid anywhere. Fights, chicks, sex, drugs, drink, family problems, peer pressure, life, death, it's all there in very dramatic fashion. Sting plays "The Face" (the Bell Boy of Quadrophenia) and it has lot's of great Who music with a Quadrophenia soundtrack that was remixed by John. And not an Elton John or curly top Roger Daltrey in sight.

So Tommy's not even worth checking out?

Well, yeah. It's worth checking out. I've never even seen it through. I just object to it in general. :p

I actually enjoyed the Tommy movie. Yea, it was extremely cheesey at points, and the music wasn't as good as what was on the album, but it was enjoyable. Although, you might have to be a really big Who fan to enjoy it.

I'll give it a try. I got the Who greatest hits CD for Christmas and I highly enjoyed it.

blegh, a greatest hits CD? I hate those! Never get any of the good stuff on that.

YOu haven't even heard Tommy if thats all you have. Just buy/rent/borrow the CD from somebody, and prepared to be blown away.

I saw the movie first, before I was actually really into the Who. It was okay, but I didn't really know the music well so it didn't connect to me.

Oh yeah, as far as album wise, Tommy > Quadrophenia.

Tommy is needed!

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Oh yeah, as far as album wise, Tommy > Quadrophenia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Tommy > Quadrophenia, though both are good.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: :smash:

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]blegh, a greatest hits CD? I hate those! Never get any of the good stuff on that.

YOu haven't even heard Tommy if thats all you have. Just buy/rent/borrow the CD from somebody, and prepared to be blown away.

I saw the movie first, before I was actually really into the Who. It was okay, but I didn't really know the music well so it didn't connect to me.

Oh yeah, as far as album wise, Tommy > Quadrophenia.[/QUOTE]
Heh, I asked my Uncle if I could borrow his Who cd's but he said "they never leave the house". :(

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Heh, I asked my Uncle if I could borrow his Who cd's but he said "they never leave the house". :([/QUOTE]
Your Uncle is a wise and smart man. How about if I buy you Quadrophenia? Have you ever heard it? Or perhaps Live At Leeds, because I'm pretty sure you like the heavy stuff. Hell, why not buy you both? I'd love to help you get into The Who. I did this recently with Pink Freud with X. I'll just need your email, and I trust you with my password to where I buy music. That simple. And I assume you have a high speed connection for download....Just post back and let me know with an email address and I''ll send you the info and details....

Really?
Wow, thanks I never thought anyone would do something like this.

[email]jevgenji_hershplinikov@hotmail.co.uk[/email]

EDIT: I keep putting .com at the end of my email :mad:

Yay another Who convert.

Tommy is awesome but just to warn you in advance, give it a few listens. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I got it for Christmas two years ago, my initial reaction was something like "What the **** is this?" But then I listened to it a second time the next day and loved it. And I love it more and more everytime I listen to it.

True, I found Tommy unusual and at points, unlistenable when I first got it, but then it grew on me and now I worship it as an incredible album. I woulnd;t suggest starting off with it, though.

And just for the record, I believe Quadrophenia > Tommy.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]Really?
Wow, thanks I never thought anyone would do something like this.

[email]jevgenji_hershplinikov@hotmail.co.uk[/email]

EDIT: I keep putting .com at the end of my email :mad:[/QUOTE]
The Email is headed overseas as I type. So be on the lookout for it. :)

i just listened to Tommy today for the first time in months. I usually just listen to individual songs on Winamp, but decided to pop the CD in and enjoy.

And enjoy I did :thumb: