In all honesty, I don't have any songwriters I hugely admire... Although I have to admit I do have a soft spot for Kris Roe from The Ataris - he's got an ability to write heartfelt stuff without it being too cheesy. Unfortunately he doesn't vary subjects much.

Novelist-wise, I'm a complete Terry Pratchett geek. There's just something in his humour that cracks me up - he can do subtle jabs just as well as blatant cheesy puns which aren't that funny but you smile anyway. Plus his daughter is HOT!

Tojes, if you were looking for favourite songwriters then i'd have to go for Morrisey, Pete Doherty, Roger Waters, Malcolm Middleton, Thom Yorke, Josh Homme, Bob Dylan, Paul Banks, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez/Cedric Bixler Zavala, Trent Reznor and probably a few others i've forgotten.

My favorite writers are Ben Gibbard and Conor Oberst.

There are certainly far worse writers to emulate than those guys.

*swears to e-punch the first kid to come in and say Kurt Cobain*

Kurt Cobain.

/braces self

haha, remember, I never punch women...









[COLOR=DimGray][size=0](because getting beat up by them afterwards is humiliating)[/size][/COLOR]

OK let's see. I love descriptive writing, so my first choice has got to be Fedor Dostoievski. William Golding did a terrific job depicting human nature, and I can't remember right now... But those poets that wrote sonnets and such that have certain guidelines for metric and such, apart of the fact that what they wrote was so flawlessly beautiful. I'll come back with the names.

As for songwriting, I think Mikael Akerfeldt has a great songwriting, despite being death-metal, which is supposed to be gore and sh¡t (literally), Also Brandon Boyd has his ways to write some really cool stuff.

New critiquing system = uber-detailed crits, but takes f'n aaaaages... I think I'll save those crits for the guys I know will make use of them. :)

[QUOTE=Jason101]Novelist-wise, I'm a complete Terry Pratchett geek. There's just something in his humour that cracks me up - he can do subtle jabs just as well as blatant cheesy puns which aren't that funny but you smile anyway. Plus his daughter is HOT![/QUOTE]
Have you read the one he did with Neil Gaiman, "Good Omens"? It's pretty funny, in a dark, apocalyptic way. Especially the part where the representatives from Heaven and Hell not only leak each other, but the human race, and are sad that they'll have to see it go.

gah, I nearly bought that the other day... I'm travelling to Sheffield in a few days, and needed something to read. I got The Da Vinci Code instead, because it was three quid cheaper.

[QUOTE=Jason101]gah, I nearly bought that the other day... I'm travelling to Sheffield in a few days, and needed something to read. I got The Da Vinci Code instead, because it was three quid cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that was actually a good choice, because "The Da Vinci Code" is an [i]amazing[/i] book... though Dan Brown can't write a chapter that goes over 500 words, or his teachers will give him bad marks.

/anyone who's read the book gets it

Also, one of the best jokes in "Good Omens" is the claim that any tape/record left in a car for more than a fortnight turns into a "Best of Queen", and how Aziraphale and Crowley relaxed to J. S. Bach's [i]Mass in B-minor[/i], vocals by F. Mercury.

lol...


I didn't really like the Da Vinci Code much...

It was okay, but all the characters were huge cliches except Sophie. Langdon is about as interesting as a Bread Sandwich.

(yeah, I read the book already... :upset: )

Wow, you're fast.

You didn't even like the plot twist at the end with who really was the bad guy? Or the fascinating use of real architectural stuff and how that was worked into the plot?

I liked the architectural stuff... that was clever writing, but I'd already spotted the plot twist. American Writers are still in the dark ages for the most part - the Englishman is still [i]always[/i] the bad guy. :p

[QUOTE=Jason101]I liked the architectural stuff... that was clever writing, but I'd already spotted the plot twist. American Writers are still in the dark ages for the most part - the Englishman is still [i]always[/i] the bad guy. :p[/QUOTE]
Hmm... maybe it's because I read too much British stuff and Golden Age Sci-Fi that I was unaware of that rule... I read way too much Douglas Adams and Isaac Asimov.

I haven't read any Asimov - is he any good?

Do yourself a favor and do one of these things:
a) Buy the Foundation Trilogy
b) If you like said trilogy, buy "Foundation's Edge"
c) Buy "The Complete Asimov: Vol. 1"

The Foundation Trilogy is actually a collecton of short stories that form a cohesive plot. "Foundation's Edge", which is book four, is a single story. "The Complete Asimov" is not at all complete, but as a whole is a collection of short stories. However, Vol. 1 contains some of the best Sci-Fi short stories ever. You may or may not like him.

nice... may be worth a shot. I've found Sci-Fi to be a bit of a minefield - it's either very good or very bad.

I keep trying to start writing myself, as it's something I've always loved, but I just never get the time, you know?

[QUOTE=Jason101]nice... may be worth a shot. I've found Sci-Fi to be a bit of a minefield - it's either very good or very bad.

I keep trying to start writing myself, as it's something I've always loved, but I just never get the time, you know?[/QUOTE]

I nearly developed decompression sickness when i read the last few pages because i've just been in the pit and you guys are talking literature :lol:

I write a little. I've probably got about 40 pages of a novel written. Doubt i'll ever get published though.

And as for sci-fi, i just reread William Gibson's Neuromancer and it's such a brilliantly written book. If you haven't read it as of yet i'd suggest it. :thumb:

ER - you nearly electrocuted me there... I spat fruit juice all over the monitor! :lol:

not much activity tonight... :(

why is my penar red?

[QUOTE=Jason101]ER - you nearly electrocuted me there... I spat fruit juice all over the monitor! :lol:

not much activity tonight... :([/QUOTE]

:lol:

The pit comment, the me writing a novel or Neuromancer being well written?

Hey guys - am trying to become more of a regular in here, so I thought I'd come and say hello in the community thread. So, hey :thumb:

Back on topic - Sci Fi not something I've ever been able to get into, which has always seemed a shame, cos so many people love it.

I just moved into my college dorm, so I've been very busy and have had no time to write or do much of anything recently. When I get back to the part where I have inspiration again, I'll contribute.

Until then, expect not a lot of anything from me.

Hey you two. Good to have a growing community. :D

And Spectrum, post some older songs (links), just to have a read. :)

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Hey you two. Good to have a growing community. :D

And Spectrum, post some older songs (links), just to have a read. :)[/QUOTE]


Hey Tojes, i haven't been on critting much in the past few days. I'll probably be back and more involved in the next day or two though. I still haven't got much on apart from waiting on uni results so i'll probably crit everything on the first two pages over a day or so. Is everyone still giving good crits in here or have most fallen back to the one liners?

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]Hey Tojes, i haven't been on critting much in the past few days. I'll probably be back and more involved in the next day or two though. I still haven't got much on apart from waiting on uni results so i'll probably crit everything on the first two pages over a day or so. Is everyone still giving good crits in here or have most fallen back to the one liners?[/QUOTE]
Actually yes, most of the regulars/olderrusers give good crits. Cyber isn't around anymore either, and there was this flood of songs that were really, really boring to rate.

But anyhow, Lately some good stuff has come up. I've been busy with school also, so I only crit like, 2 or 3 songs per visit to this forums.

There was this one song that had like 4 one-liners and I was like "wtf". And there was a song that was an epic that pretty much was a pain in the a[B][I][/I][/B]ss to rate. but yeah, everything is on the leash lately.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Hey you two. Good to have a growing community. :D

And Spectrum, post some older songs (links), just to have a read. :)[/QUOTE]
I'll find some old ones and post links for you right away.

EDIT: Might as well just do it here.

[URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6251767#post6251767](Rainy Day in) Winter; Rough Draft[/URL]
[URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303558]Prog Epic[/URL]
[URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323752]A Faint Light (in a bright one)[/URL]

Eh, that's all I feel like dragging up at the moment.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Actually yes, most of the regulars/olderrusers give good crits. Cyber isn't around anymore either, and there was this flood of songs that were really, really boring to rate.

But anyhow, Lately some good stuff has come up. I've been busy with school also, so I only crit like, 2 or 3 songs per visit to this forums.

There was this one song that had like 4 one-liners and I was like "wtf". And there was a song that was an epic that pretty much was a pain in the a[B][I][/I][/B]ss to rate. but yeah, everything is on the leash lately.[/QUOTE]


What happened with cyber? For about a week he crit everything on here and then just dissapeared. And Morrissey hasn't been back in either.:upset: .

At least everyone is critting better now. I've been on, but mostly in the pit, though i've submitted an entry for the Lyrical challenge this time around. I like critting so i'll be back within a day or two. I've been creating a songwriting guide and i'm working on an idea for the guitar forum as well. Once those are sorted i'll be critting heavily again.

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]What happened with cyber? For about a week he crit everything on here and then just dissapeared. And Morrissey hasn't been back in either.:upset: .

At least everyone is critting better now. I've been on, but mostly in the pit, though i've submitted an entry for the Lyrical challenge this time around. I like critting so i'll be back within a day or two. I've been creating a songwriting guide and i'm working on an idea for the guitar forum as well. Once those are sorted i'll be critting heavily again.[/QUOTE]

Alright. Those should be very welcome, I hope.

Anyhow, Cyber said he was occupied with college and stuff, or something like that. Mozzarella... well. She didn't stand up for her word. Laziness, maybe. I don't know. It's been alright, though.

I just hate it when you come in and :eek: there are 20 new songs in the first page you haven't reviewed. And you want to check them all out, but you come across one of those gigantic-mamothic poems, with terrible grammar and punctuation... That takes you hours to decipher. Ugh.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Alright. Those should be very welcome, I hope.

Anyhow, Cyber said he was occupied with college and stuff, or something like that. Mozzarella... well. She didn't stand up for her word. Laziness, maybe. I don't know. It's been alright, though.

I just hate it when you come in and :eek: there are 20 new songs in the first page you haven't reviewed. And you want to check them all out, but you come across one of those gigantic-mamothic poems, with terrible grammar and punctuation... That takes you hours to decipher. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

I always try to find the bad points on things so those are the easiest for me. I'm very hard to please :D

Wait, Morissey is a girl??

I didn't expect that. Wow. Just Wow.

If/when i go back to uni i'll still be on a lot. I sleep little and MX breaks the boredom. Playing guitar at 3am is not recommended unless you want evicted :p

/me shows up.

let's get it started.

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]:lol:

I always try to find the bad points on things so those are the easiest for me. I'm very hard to please :D

Wait, Morissey is a girl??

I didn't expect that. Wow. Just Wow.

If/when i go back to uni i'll still be on a lot. I sleep little and MX breaks the boredom. Playing guitar at 3am is not recommended unless you want evicted :p[/QUOTE]
You must be the first person to know that. lol. But yeah, it happens, usually.


[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]/me shows up.

let's get it started.[/QUOTE]

:eek: OMG, you're a legend. please. OMG. How much time are you going to be here, anyhow?

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]You must be the first person to know that. lol. But yeah, it happens, usually.




:eek: OMG, you're a legend. please. OMG. How much time are you going to be here, anyhow?[/QUOTE]

I really didn't know. It wasn't sarcasm. That's quite random. She doesn't write like a girl. And i don't mean that in a bad way. Girls think differently to guys(words rather than pictures) so things that they write tend to be more straightforward and less imagery rich.

And yeah, my " on the run from the cops" thread got shut so i'm back :D

And pixesfan is quite legendary around here. I've rarely if ever seen him post outsdide the lyrical challenge thread in ages.

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]I really didn't know. It wasn't sarcasm. That's quite random. She doesn't write like a girl. And i don't mean that in a bad way. Girls think differently to guys(words rather than pictures) so things that they write tend to be more straightforward and less imagery rich.

And yeah, my " on the run from the cops" thread got shut so i'm back :D

And pixesfan is quite legendary around here. I've rarely if ever seen him post outsdide the lyrical challenge thread in ages.[/QUOTE]
Machism++ :p

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Machism++ :p[/QUOTE]


:lol:

Well i'm off for tonight(nearly 2am) but i'll be on tomorrow night most likely. Have to work on some songs for going to the rehearsal studios with tomorrow.

Bye :wave:

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Alright. Those should be very welcome, I hope.

Anyhow, Cyber said he was occupied with college and stuff, or something like that. Mozzarella... well. She didn't stand up for her word. Laziness, maybe. I don't know. It's been alright, though.

I just hate it when you come in and :eek: there are 20 new songs in the first page you haven't reviewed. And you want to check them all out, but you come across one of those gigantic-mamothic poems, with terrible grammar and punctuation... That takes you hours to decipher. Ugh.[/QUOTE]
I'll do them, I swear. :upset:

I just can't think of anything to say.

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]I really didn't know. It wasn't sarcasm. That's quite random. She doesn't write like a girl. And i don't mean that in a bad way. Girls think differently to guys(words rather than pictures) so things that they write tend to be more straightforward and less imagery rich. [/QUOTE]
I always thought that was my biggest weakness, being too straightforward in my writing. :confused:

[QUOTE=morrissey]I'll do them, I swear. :upset:

I just can't think of anything to say.[/QUOTE]
Nah, don't worry. I't not like we crave them or something, but it'd be nice to see how your review system is and such. Try...mmm... There's a song by Archimedes that's really beautiful, why don't you try that?

And no. That's what we love about your songwriting.

[size=1]*Only read one song*[/size]