Ohh ok. :-/ From the name, is it fair to assume that it's pretty hard to come by?

Live & Rare. I picked it up from Barnes & Noble online.
It's not hard to find, it just contains two "rare" tracks and 10 live tracks. It was used to promote Rage for a tour of Japan.
The two rare tracks are "Darkness" and "Clear the Lane". "Darkness" was used on the soundtrack to "The Crow". "Clear the Lane" was used on their demo tape. It didn't make the cut for the first album, obviously. I wasn't surprised, it didn't really stand out much to me.

i thought hadda be playin was the best song on L&R. and it is No Shelter

I didn't like "Hadda Be Playin' On A Jukebox". It gave some insight into Rage's influences, but it just wasn't Rage. It does make me want to look into Alan Ginsberg, though. I'll do that someday.
I liked "Darkness". It had a nice jazzy feel to it and I hadn't really heard a song like that from Rage before I bought the album.
Oh, and the lyrics booklet murders the lyrics. You gotta laugh at the translator. It just doesn't make sense in some parts.

[QUOTE=Revolver]On the American version of Renegades, the live versions of "How I Could Just Kill a Man" and "Kick Out The Jams" are hidden tracks. QUOTE]
How come I don't have them on mine? Mine is the U.S. version.

You what sucks I only listened to "Fistful Of Steel" for the first time yesterday. It's such a great song, in fact I'm listening to it right now.
"If the vibe is suicide you would push the button,
but if you're bowing down than let me do the cutting." :thumb:

and now I'm listening to "Township Rebellion" for the first time. I suck!! :upset:

First time? wtf? I almost feel sorry for you man.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]You what sucks I only listened to "Fistful Of Steel" for the first time yesterday. It's such a great song, in fact I'm listening to it right now.
"If the vibe is suicide you would push the button,
but if you're bowing down than let me do the cutting." :thumb:

and now I'm listening to "Township Rebellion" for the first time. I suck!! :upset:[/QUOTE]
[I]Township Rebellion[/I] is fu[B][I][/B][/I]cking awesome, have you only just got the self-titled?


NP:Faith no More-Midlife Crisis

^^^
Yeah and I guess I'm a n00b then, too.

I LuV RATM. My fAv song by Dem iS 'Pocket Full O' Shelz' Of ov da 'SuperHeroz' cD. Chris CorNell iz da gr8est rapper ov all time, yo. :thumb:

No I actually got it about 9 months ago. I'm such a loser.

So who here knows whole Rage albums on their instrument?

I'm working my way through s/t at the moment. You can guess the instrument.

[QUOTE=Bass_ment]So who here knows whole Rage albums on their instrument?

I'm working my way through s/t at the moment. You can guess the instrument.[/QUOTE]


/raises hand

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]No I actually got it about 9 months ago. I'm such a loser.[/QUOTE]

:eek: And You only listened to those tracks now!?!?

Are you mental? :p

^^^
Some people might say.
I knew how they started I just always skipped them to get to Freedom.
Besides I already said "I'm such a loser"

I was working on learning the self titled all the way through including solos, but I kinda lost interest. I learned Bombtrack,Killing in the Name (sept for solo due to lack of whammy) Settle for Nothing, Know Your Enemy (sept for part of solo), Wake up, (most of) Fistfull of steel, and (most of) Freedom.

Have a look friends. [URL=http://www.zdlr.net/flashback/flashback.htm]RATM flashback[/URL]

Yeah, I told my self that I was gonna learn the entire S/T.

I kind of hit a roadblock in a huge way at Take the Power Back. Darn solos. :lol:

I never learned all of them except "Bombtrack", "Know Your Enemy", and "Freedom". I didn't even bother learning the entire songs. I just had fun screwing around with my Digitech, which I now hate to use.
I never bothered learning the solos as Morello played them. I improvise a lot, often too much. It's all fun anyway.
[QUOTE]How come I don't have them on mine? Mine is the U.S. version.[/QUOTE]
Well, they come after "Maggie's Farm" but I'm not really sure. I have the American version, and they hid the tracks just by not listing them. I don't know why you don't have them if they're not after "Maggie's Farm". Sorry.

^^^
Well, you can't dwell on the past.

Dr. Jake I have more proof I'm a "retard."
Today I went to work, then I realized that I don't work today, but tomorrow.
:(

Ha, pwned by the work schedule.

Maybe soon I'll try to learn a whole Rage album all the way through (I play drums).

Brad is pretty good, I think. I don't play the drums, but he sounds cool.
For some reason, I've been getting annoyed with Tim on their later basslines. On more than a couple of tracks, he keeps the bassline reserved for the 1-5 frets and usually uses open strings a lot. True, it can make a bassline catchy and nice and fast, and it's really coming up more in Audioslave, but I noticed it first with Rage. I think he did his best work on that first album. I especially liked the "Take The Power Back" bassline.
Anyone else sort of feel this way or am I the only one?

[QUOTE=Revolver]Brad is pretty good, I think. I don't play the drums, but he sounds cool.
For some reason, I've been getting annoyed with Tim on their later basslines. On more than a couple of tracks, he keeps the bassline reserved for the 1-5 frets and usually uses open strings a lot. True, it can make a bassline catchy and nice and fast, and it's really coming up more in Audioslave, but I noticed it first with Rage. I think he did his best work on that first album. I especially liked the "Take The Power Back" bassline.
Anyone else sort of feel this way or am I the only one?[/QUOTE]

I agree his basslines are getting more and more simplistic, but some simple yet funky basslines own.

ex: RATM - Born As Ghosts, Korn - Somebody Someone

Korn doesn't have any good basslines. Leave them out of this perfectly fine thread.

[QUOTE=Revolver]Brad is pretty good, I think. I don't play the drums, but he sounds cool.
For some reason, I've been getting annoyed with Tim on their later basslines. On more than a couple of tracks, he keeps the bassline reserved for the 1-5 frets and usually uses open strings a lot. True, it can make a bassline catchy and nice and fast, and it's really coming up more in Audioslave, but I noticed it first with Rage. I think he did his best work on that first album. I especially liked the "Take The Power Back" bassline.
Anyone else sort of feel this way or am I the only one?[/QUOTE]


I like his bass playing a lot, but his bass line in take the power back is good stuff.

I really think that Tim is one of the better bassists of today. Listen to How I Could just Kill a Man. He plays a couple pretty technical lines on there. It's about as technical as good ol' Tim Bob gets. :p

Tims one of my favorite bassists forsure. His funky style and use of wah is awesome.

He's pretty much my favorite bass player besides Flea from RHCP.

I like his earlier stuff more, but he still has some awesome basslines later on and with a new band.
I gotta admit, the intro to "Calm Like A Bomb" amazed me when I first heard it. I bought the live DVD "The Battle of Mexico City" just to watch him play it, and in doing so, I was exposed to their earlier works and I became a fan.

I think that Bombtrack's intro would be hard to play on a bass. I have trouble playing it on my guitar, and everything is harder on bass. :p

I've used a pick on "Bombtrack" when I get to play a bass. I can play it on my guitar, but with a bass, I just have to practice with my fingers more when I get the chance.
Tim even messed it up sometimes. You can hear him sort of slip on Live & Rare.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]I think that Bombtrack's intro would be hard to play on a bass. I have trouble playing it on my guitar, and everything is harder on bass. :p[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revolver]I've used a pick on "Bombtrack" when I get to play a bass. I can play it on my guitar, but with a bass, I just have to practice with my fingers more when I get the chance.
Tim even messed it up sometimes. You can hear him sort of slip on Live & Rare.[/QUOTE]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Are you guys kidding? That is not that hard to play on either of the two. But hey I must be that good... Nah I'm just joking I'm not that great, but still hard to play? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Yeah I think its pretty easy to...

It is easy, the only thing is that I get tired after repeating it. I kinda wanna switch to the verse nice and fast after once or twice. I don't like to play something like that over and over. Just some weird thing I've got. The reason I have to use a pick is because I have to work on my fingering more for it. My friend is losing his bass because he's moving and so I'll have to invest in a Fender or something.
Bombtrack isn't my favorite off of the s/t anyway. My favorites are "Take The Power Back" for that funky bassline, "Know Your Enemy" for the solo, and "Wake Up" because of that darned Matrix movie.

anybody ever hear of zebrahead they sound almost exactly like Rage

I haven't listened to Rage in a while so put on their self titled today. Still as awesome as I can remember.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]I think that Bombtrack's intro would be hard to play on a bass. I have trouble playing it on my guitar, and everything is harder on bass. :p[/QUOTE]

Bombtrack is fairly easy to play on bass. I haven't looked at tabs for it and I can play the intro.

i saw audioslave on wednesday in brixton, it was pretty fuc.king awesome.
they played 3 ratm songs, "bulls on parade", "sleep now in the fire" and "killing in the name"
i was in the pit for "killing in the name" which was the most insane pit i've been in

Was Chris singing or rapping like Zack?
Even if the basslines are easy, everyone still wants to learn to play them. I want to start working on the bassline to "Darkness" and that is one of the smoothest, jazziest basslines I ever heard from Tim. I figure that if I'm in jazz band, I'l pick it up quickly, but it still sounds cool.

**** it, I need more Rage all I have right now is Evil Empire. I've heard all their albums I just need them on my comp.

NP People of the Sun

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Korn doesn't have any good basslines. Leave them out of this perfectly fine thread.[/QUOTE]
That's a lie.....