[QUOTE=JXD]But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record:[/QUOTE]

Yeah I love bands like that. Thats why I love bands like Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, or The Grateful Dead. They sound sometimes totally different from the studio album, but both the live and studio sound have different things that make them great.

[QUOTE=Lunch]That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, ITTOD wasn't a stellar album, I mean it had some great songs on it (In The Evening, Carouselambra). I read in a GuitarWorld interview that Page gave saying that he thought ITTOD was soft, and him and Bonham were discussing plans on making a hard-driving rock album. I would have at least loved to see Zeppelin release a album on a high note after "Out Door" then quit after that, (given that Bonham didnt die in '80). Then again I'm one of MX's hardcore Zep fans....

But anyways,the Who were gaining steam and getting better during Who Are You. So sad Keith had to die soon after... :upset:

[QUOTE=zabbit82]Yeah, ITTOD wasn't a stellar album, I mean it had some great songs on it (In The Evening, Carouselambra). I read in a GuitarWorld interview that Page gave saying that he thought ITTOD was soft, and him and Bonham were discussing plans on making a hard-driving rock album. I would have at least loved to see Zeppelin release a album on a high note after "Out Door" then quit after that, (given that Bonham didnt die in '80). Then again I'm one of MX's hardcore Zep fans....

But anyways,the Who were gaining steam and getting better during Who Are You. So sad Keith had to die soon after... :upset:[/QUOTE]
I really like ITTOD. Again, not up to par with previous work, but I think it surpasses Presence Which is a bore, IMO. I like the songs you mentioned, Hot Dog, All Of My Love, Fool In The Rain, I'm Gonna Crawl, South Bound Suarez. And that just about covers it. The entire album, I mean. It also helps that the album is just seven songs long. :p

Anyway, not a Zep thread, but perhaps you can give me some info. I've always been curious about Jimmy. Great studio musician, good live. As Zep's music became more elaborate he seemed to struggle onstage. Fine. You do what you can. But when I saw the HTWWW DVD it's almost shocking how much he slipped throughout the years.

Again, I'm no big Zep fan, but I do respect them. But what happened to Jimmy? When I heard Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes Live At The Greek he seems to be a shadow of his former self. And I listen to that album. I like it. Good tunes. But Jimmy is supposed to be one of rocks [I]great[/I] guitarist. For a moment perhaps he was. Or maybe he was only in the studio? But live I've never heard it. Which is fine. But in the late seventies it seems Bonham and Jones made a great rythmn section, and then Jimmy would just screech all over things with sloppy guitar that wasn't supposed to be sloppy.

Again, I know this is your favorite band. Or close. And I respect them and admire a lot of their work. But what happened to Jimmy the producer, songwriter, and musician along the way?

He fell into hard drugs, basically. That can't explain EVERYTHING about his decline but it's definitely a big factor.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I'll check Best Buy.
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Wasn't there talk like a year ago about a new album? With Ringo Starr's son on drums?

Also, a tour if I'm not mistaken.

Or was I just dreaming this?

[QUOTE=fwqhgads]Wasn't there talk like a year ago about a new album? With Ringo Starr's son on drums?

Also, a tour if I'm not mistaken.

Or was I just dreaming this?[/QUOTE]
It's coming. This summer and just past. Album and tour. Or something like an album. Pete says it's a whole new deal for them. So we'll see.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]He fell into hard drugs, basically. That can't explain EVERYTHING about his decline but it's definitely a big factor.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I know about the drugs. But perhaps not the extent. And I suppose he may still battle some demons? I really don't know?

[QUOTE=JXD]It's coming. This summer and just past. Album and tour. Or something like an album. Pete says it's a whole new deal for them. So we'll see.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait now.

[QUOTE=JXD]I really like ITTOD. Again, not up to par with previous work, but I think it surpasses Presence Which is a bore, IMO. I like the songs you mentioned, Hot Dog, All Of My Love, Fool In The Rain, I'm Gonna Crawl, South Bound Suarez. And that just about covers it. The entire album, I mean. It also helps that the album is just seven songs long. :p

Anyway, not a Zep thread, but perhaps you can give me some info. I've always been curious about Jimmy. Great studio musician, good live. As Zep's music became more elaborate he seemed to struggle onstage. Fine. You do what you can. But when I saw the HTWWW DVD it's almost shocking how much he slipped throughout the years.

Again, I'm no big Zep fan, but I do respect them. But what happened to Jimmy? When I heard Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes Live At The Greek he seems to be a shadow of his former self. And I listen to that album. I like it. Good tunes. But Jimmy is supposed to be one of rocks [I]great[/I] guitarist. For a moment perhaps he was. Or maybe he was only in the studio? But live I've never heard it. Which is fine. But in the late seventies it seems Bonham and Jones made a great rythmn section, and then Jimmy would just screech all over things with sloppy guitar that wasn't supposed to be sloppy.

Again, I know this is your favorite band. Or close. And I respect them and admire a lot of their work. But what happened to Jimmy the producer, songwriter, and musician along the way?[/QUOTE]

Well I know after Bonham died, he didnt play his guitar for a long time. I think he hit is prime from '68 to '75, so pretty much I to PG. Honestly, I think Presence is amazing, all 7 songs (exept Candy Store Rock, that can be a bore sometimes), but that record was done entirely in 18 days, so it sounds very rushed (and Robert was in a cast because of his near fatal car accident a few months before the album was recorded.) Jimmy wasn't just one of rock's greatest guitarists in the studio, but also live. Thats prolly the one thing that made Zeppelin so great, was how explosive thier live shows were compared to thier studio work. HTTWW showcases the best of the band for sure. Heartbreaker, Since I've Been Loving You, Dazed and Confused, all the band showcased thier talent, especaily Jimmy.

But to answer your question, I think his less than perfect playing after Zep has to do with his struggle with heroin, but I'm not exactly sure when he had that addiction, I think it was late in Zeppelin. Another reason could be his musical chemistry wasnt as good with all three other members of Zeppelin. As Pink said, it has to do with alot of stuff, and thats all I can answer for now.

And yes, Zeppelin is my favorite band.

And the Who highly ranks with my list of favorite bands, but I am not as knowledgable of them as you and Lunch are.

/plays Who's Next :)

From what I've heard, Page was shooting up on heroin everyday. I've heard that by the end of their career, he would seem almost asleep on stage. Kind of like Keith Richards today. Like he was so deeply into drugs that he just didn't even seem alive anymore. It's sad what drugs can do. I would never touch heroin, so many musicians have suffered from it.

So yeah, The Who rock. I am definitely going to be seeing them in NY when they come here.

Yeah, the drugs are takin the toll now on every rock musician of the '70s who did them. But having just seen the Stones this August, Richards wasnt dozing like you think he would be. He actually played well and rocked.

I gotta check out dates when the Who are coming around Detroit. Although I'd be boarderlined on going. Half the original members are alive, and Rogers voice isn't what it used to be....

Nonetheless, it would be awesome to go.

Hey, thanks for the Jimmy info. It is shocking what drugs can do. These guys, top of the world, great musicians and talent. The only thing I can figure for something like heroin is they have some deep pain going on that not stardom, riches, or celebrity can take care of. And I suppose maybe that's the source of some of their work, too. Kind of a double edge sword.

And you know I understand some drug use. Perhaps even recreational. But heroin is a whole other ball game. Pete Townshend, who used heroin briefly but never shot it said it feels like "being wrapped in your mothers love". Interesting.

And I suppose it's a matter of pick your poison, also. Hell, it was drink that basically did Keith in. And even food for a time. Entwhistle drank all his life and it was a coke binge with two hookers that did him in. Induced a heart attack. The man was well into his fifties. You would figure their might be something learned in all those years. And most likely their is. But perhaps it just doen't matter when it's always "one last time". Which of course it never is if you keep using. It's just the first time all over again....

Roger's voice may not have the same range as it used to, but I think it still has a lot of power and emotion behind it. Whitch for me is all I care about, I could care less how much range you have just as long as you sing like you give a dam what your singing about. Pete's voice isn't bad today either. The lattest live recording I have of them is at the Royal Albert Hall in 2000. Their last show with John. It also comes with a bonus disk from 2002. It isn't stunning like Live at Leeds, but its still a very solid live album and well worth seeing them if thats what they still sound like. I remember their preformance at Live 8 was pretty good too.

Also a lot of new lyrics and instrumental parts to old songs. For example the song The Kids Are Allright has some great new lyrics to it. They are written from Pete's point of view of kids today and a reflection on his life.

And Bon Scott basically drank himself to death. Interesting what that stuff can do to ya. no prob for the info too.

'nite MX

So...Heaven and Hell on LaL is damn good...

Passing through, don't mind me.

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Roger's voice may not have the same range as it used to, but I think it still has a lot of power and emotion behind it. Whitch for me is all I care about, I could care less how much range you have just as long as you sing like you give a dam what your singing about. Pete's voice isn't bad today either. The lattest live recording I have of them is at the Royal Albert Hall in 2000. Their last show with John. It also comes with a bonus disk from 2002. It isn't stunning like Live at Leeds, but its still a very solid live album and well worth seeing them if thats what they still sound like. I remember their preformance at Live 8 was pretty good too.

Also a lot of new lyrics and instrumental parts to old songs. For example the song The Kids Are Allright has some great new lyrics to it. They are written from Pete's point of view of kids today and a reflection on his life.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Roger still gets the job done quite well. And Pete is in fine voice, as well. The RAH performance is a real good one. I can do without the "special guests" that muck a few things up, but it's a good performance nonetheless. And John is very good on it.

Also, if you haven't picked up the Live In Boston DVD it's worth a go. It was recorded on the last show they did for the tour on which John died. They seem a little tired, and the performance takes a few songs to really kick in. But they get it going nicely. And Simon does a good job on guitar, as well as Pino on bass. And Pete plays with determined passion, maybe realizing with John gone he had to step it up a notch. Oh, and Roger sounds great, if a little worn. I figure it being the end of a tour that probably was emotionally and mentally draining took a bit out of the old geezers at the end, but they come through. Well worth a purchase at $20 or under. Which it is most places. Some nice bonus stuff, too. Including some of John's artwork.

[QUOTE=JXD]Yeah, Roger still gets the job done quite well. And Pete is in fine voice, as well. The RAH performance is a reall good one. I can do without the "special guests" that muck a few things up, but it's a good performance nonetheless. And John is very good on it.

Also, if you haven't picked up the Live In Boston DVD it's worth a go. It was recorded on the last show they did for the tour on which John died. They seem a little tired, and the performance takes a few songs to really kick in. But they get it going nicely. [/QUOTE]

Wow that Boston DVD sounds pretty good, I'll probally pick it up when I get The Kids Are Allright DVD. Yeah and I could never understand why they felt the need to have all the special guests. The Who can hold their own as a band by themselves. I wasn't too crazy about some of the guests themselves either, they did a good job for the most part, but I would have rather have heard the actual members.

One reason that I want to see The Who is I have this hope, whitch is based on nothing but a hope, that someday something will click with the Who and they will realize they could do an awsome cover of Kick Out The Jams, and put it in their set list. Though Keith and John's input on the song would make it MUCH better than what it could be today, I still think they could pull it off.

[QUOTE=zabbit82]I gotta check out dates when the Who are coming around Detroit. Although I'd be boarderlined on going. Half the original members are alive, and Rogers voice isn't what it used to be....

Nonetheless, it would be awesome to go.[/QUOTE]

As far as I know, they've scheduled dates up through mid-late July (mostly in England) but none for the US yet. I can't wait till they release the dates for the US tours though.

Roger isn't what he used to be, that's a given of older rock 'n roll singer. However, he definitely gets it done still. The Royal Albert Hall performance is great considering their age. I agree that the Special Guests take away from the performance, I'd rather have just the Who. But if they're trying to have a good time, they might as well go for it.

And yea, Heaven and Hell from LaL is stunning. Like, even more so than most other songs on that album. The middle section is just this incredible wall of sound, I can't even believe that three guys played that.

NP: 1921

Tommy ftw!

I go away for a year and this thread is still alive, wow.

As long as the Who rule, this thread will live.

I'll have to keep my eyes out for U.S. tour dates, ones around Detroit especialy.

We won't let this thread die.

LONG LIVE ROCK

Yeah, this thread is here to stay...

Lunch, I thought maybe the thread should have a name. It deserves one. Yes I know it began as an F.A, but it's more an "Official" band thread now. I don't know if R&M does official threads, but I see many bands have titles for their threads. Threads Full Of Secrets for Pink Floyd and Hallowed Be Thy Name for Iron Maiden, for example. This thread deserves a title, IMO. THE WHO deserve it, I should say.

I figure you know people around here, Lunch. Hook it up. We can all submit title suggestions. You or a mod can have final decision. And perhaps the title can change every so often, too. Off the top of my head:

These Kids Are Alright: The Who.
Hope I Die Before I Get Old: The Who.
Under A Raging Moon: The Who
Maximum R&B: The Who

Etc, etc....I'm sure you get the picture.

Lunch & JXD's Holiday Camp.

zomg

[QUOTE=JonG][i]JXD's[/i] & Lunch's Holiday Camp.

zomg[/QUOTE]


Fix'd :p

I like the "Hope I Die..." one, mainly because that's a great and powerful song line that will last in rock music for ever.

Since it's an FA, I'm not sure if the changes will be allowed, just because they probably wont them organized. But if we can all agree on something, I'll give it a shot.

Edit: Treadstarter first, bitch.

I'm happy as long as it's not a gay stupid pun name like most of the others. I like the first two JXD came up. Don't like the last two though because Under a Raging Moon is a pretty bad song and Maximum R&B isn't cool enough.

[QUOTE=Lunch] Treadstarter first, bitch.[/QUOTE]
WTF? Who the hell is the TS? Lunch998? Obviously a lowly imposter. :smash:

I'm going to throw out some Corny Suggestions for a new thread title if we need one:

- Teenage Wasteland
- Armenia City In The Sky
- Out In The Street
- Tommy's Holiday Camp

Or some other location from Who lyrics.

I say we call it Teenage Wastelands :) Baba O' Riley has got to be the best song from the who

Or otherwise,
Join Together
the m(agi)x bus
MX Generation

or or or this

creepy crawly creepy creepy crawly crawly

^^

@Lunch, the FA link is still standing in that onethreat with all the other links and stuff. Anyone would notice this would be the FA whenr eading the first post ;)

I don't like calling it Teenage Wasteland, mainly because that encourages the rumor that it's the name of the song.

And yea, I know where the FA links are, I'm just saying it's possible that the mods might want to keep all FA titles the same.