[QUOTE=aphotic__713]

What is black rose immortal about? People say its about vampires or satan.
I havent dug too deep into the song to fetch my own interpretation of the song.[/QUOTE]

i always thought the whole album was about losing a loved one or something. yeah :P i haven't dug too deep into the lyrics either

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]
It's actually kind of eerie how you often articulate my exact opinion perfectly. This has happened several times before.

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]

I concur. Especially with the transitions between electric and acoustic parts, the fade-ins/outs, and the odd tempo changes, that album, along with Orchid, is a lot more awkward compositionally than all of Opeth's later albums.

Kage, I was thinking the exact same thing.

:)

Thanks guys, that's a nice thing for you to say.

I agree with Cain, but I still love Morningrise.

[QUOTE=Cain]Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism.[/QUOTE]

I love Morningrise because of it's complexity, intricacy and superb songwriting which was ahead of it's time when it came out. I see Morningrise from a musician standpoint that borders on years of playing. I like the style displayed on it and that's my opinion on this subject.

I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I love Morningrise because of it's complexity, intricacy and superb songwriting which was ahead of it's time when it came out. I see Morningrise from a musician standpoint that borders on years of playing. I like the style displayed on it and that's my opinion on this subject.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, I like it too, I was just trying to showcase a different perspective. The "fanboy" thing was a bit mean-sounding, I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.[/QUOTE]

I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.

[QUOTE=Cain]Don't worry, I like it too, I was just trying to showcase a different perspective. The "fanboy" thing was a bit mean-sounding, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]


It's all good, I understand. I [I]do[/I] agree with a lof of what you've typed though, I can see your points and respect your opinion. :)

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.[/QUOTE]


I would love to see that show, DT and [B]O[/B]peth would be tight.

[QUOTE=toaster135]I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.[/QUOTE]
My mom said I can't go unless I bring my chem mark up. :mad:


Looks like I'm not going after all. :upset:

Damn you organic chem... :p

[QUOTE=toaster135]I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.[/QUOTE]


Where's it at?

London, ON. Some place called The Drink Nightclub. I'm really hoping there's no age restriction, though I've been to a few other nightclub concerts and it's been all ages.

Anyone know how I could contact the band via email?

The points made about Morningrise are good, but it still achieves a consistent feel throughout, which no other Opeth album can touch. While each song may suffer from poor transitions, the entire album stays together in terms of the mood it creates.

I cannot stand to listen to any song besides BRI alone. They just aren't that good. But from back to back, they blend perfectly together. The album reaches its climax during the buildup right before the solo is unleashed in BRI at around 16:30 with TBYF ending the musical journey flawlessly.

I don't care that each song is lacking in certain areas, it's the entire listen that I care about. Listening to Morningrise in the pitch black is one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had.



I'm so lucky as to have Opeth come within two hours TWICE on this tour. But I also only have one friend who likes them. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to go. It might be too much money (wtf yeah $20ohhhhahnono).

I'm faced with a choice of going alone, or not going at all. Seeing Opeth alone might be fun, but Sigur Ros would probably be much better (alone).

Hmm... what to do.

The band? No idea.. why would you contact them? Couldn't you e-mail the venue?

Actually, I just wrote a music ISU on Mikael Akerfeldt that I'm particularly proud of. I figure I'll send it to the band, tell them how much I enjoy their music, and politely request a backstage pass. It can't hurt.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Cain you raise some good points, and I don't want to challenge any of them. I agree 100% with you.

And you have the hottest avatar I've seen in a while. :D[/QUOTE]

I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]

Zakath also posted about his heterosexuality by backing it up with a picture of a transvestite. :-\ That was the manliest jawline I've ever seen. And those wrists!

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one he had of that wonderfull a[I]s[/I]s... :naughty:

That was good...

/zones out

I was in another Opeth forum and they were making new names that sound like their song names that were funny. I came up with "The Walrus Of October". lol what can you come up with?

i just bought damnation for $8.95 used

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]what can you come up with?[/QUOTE]

Demon of the Melinda?

I'm going to the Opeth show in Towson. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]
Morningrise IS a masterpiece
stop talking about **** like amateur or not tight or not ****ing technical or not
who cares if you can hear the album 10 times a day???

[QUOTE=Biancazzurri]Morningrise IS a masterpiece[/QUOTE]


I'll drink to that. :chug:

[QUOTE=bucket]Zakath also posted about his heterosexuality by backing it up with a picture of a transvestite. :-\ That was the manliest jawline I've ever seen. And those wrists![/QUOTE]

Zakath is a very...[i]special[/i] child. :lol:

Even so, Mikael isn't particularly fond of it.

At least some parts of it.

That's what he says.

I really do love Morningrise. I can't explain why, and every criticism seems to be well supported, but I love to listen to it.

Morningrise is my favorite Opeth album. I just love it, it has something all the other albums dont. Whereas Orchid is more mystical and just plain eerie, and very nature-oriented, Morningrise is darker, but in a human, depressing way. The lyrics are also more personal- a song like TNATSW would be out of place on Orchid. It just feels like a very epic album, and as I guitarist I appreciate and love all the classical guitar parts... they're so beautiful. The only thing that was present on Orchid that I love that Morningrise lacks is the more melodic, higher-pitched dual guitar lines like at the end of In Mist...
All in all, I would say Morningrise is definitely a masterpiece of sorts. The only true flaws are that a couple parts in Black Rose Immortal sound a little stapled together loosely, as some have already said. But I still love it. If I had to choose a second favorite it would be MAYH, though, because it keeps the amazing vocals and has even better lyrics, and it feels even more cohesive. Still, I will always probably have MR as my no. 1.

Morningrise is definitely some of Opeth's best work.

Not trying to sound like a free music whore, but could someone upload a couple of live Opeth songs? I've never heard any. :D

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]Morningrise is definitely some of Opeth's best work.

Not trying to sound like a free music whore, but could someone upload a couple of live Opeth songs? I've never heard any. :D[/QUOTE]
I have some crappy live version of Bleak if you want, but it sucks (sound quality wise). AIM = mistergroovy1023

i have a wicked live video of them playing demon of the fall

oh and, i listened to damnation, it's a good album but i found it to be a little short

[QUOTE=Pale-Folklore]oh and, i listened to damnation, it's a good album but i found it to be a little short[/QUOTE]
I never understand criticisms dealing with the length of something.

"Oh, that's my specialty, length. It's the perfect length. How about the width of it?"

-Larry David

[QUOTE=Biancazzurri]Morningrise IS a masterpiece
stop talking about **** like amateur or not tight or not ****ing technical or not
who cares if you can hear the album 10 times a day???[/QUOTE]
Heres the thing he has something backing his statement up, you don't.
Don't be an idiot please.

[QUOTE=Kage]I never understand criticisms dealing with the length of something.
[/QUOTE]

Well, complaints that something is too short are generally better than complaints that it is too long. ;) I could see two hypothetical cases where shortness of length would be a valid complaint: first, where the songs lack sufficient development and don't give the musicians time to express themselves. See: almost any modern rock or metal band who gets airplay. Sometimes, musical ideas or phrases will be started, and right when it seems like they're going somewhere, the chorus will refrain and then end the song, cutting the music short. A second instance would be where the material is just so damn good, that you're left wanting more at the end. This is my personal opinion of Damnation. :)

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Well, complaints that something is too short are generally better than complaints that it is too long. ;) I could see two hypothetical cases where shortness of length would be a valid complaint: first, where the songs lack sufficient development and don't give the musicians time to express themselves. See: almost any modern rock or metal band who gets airplay. Sometimes, musical ideas or phrases will be started, and right when it seems like they're going somewhere, the chorus will refrain and then end the song, cutting the music short. A second instance would be where the material is just so damn good, that you're left wanting more at the end. This is my personal opinion of Damnation. :)[/QUOTE]
But things can drone on, its all opinion, where the phrase gets old and won't reach the cadence.

Im fan of morningrise, BTW, I'm just saying the I can see where Cain is coming from.

I just got a cool [B]O[/B]peth Guitar Lesson video with Akerfeldt, Mendez and Lindgren covering certain riffs from Blackwater Park. Post your email if you would like it.

-Thanks.-

That sounds great.

[email]Txus.mx@gmail.com[/email]

Thanks :thumb:

^i'll have what hes having

[email]oklateralus@yahoo.com[/email]

Flynn I'm pretty sure its The Drapery Falls, I have it to.

Give me a few minutes guys, it's over 40 mb.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Flynn I'm pretty sure its The Drapery Falls, I have it to.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Dissecting The Drapery Falls. I thought there were other songs from Blackwater Park on this too, I was wrong.