All of Echoes is great, and really necessary for the song, I think.

I've never really done drugs, had hash brownies a couple times and stuff, but that's it. And half the time I didn't even realize the brownies had weed in them until after I ate them. Nevertheless, I'm probably going to try shrooms soon, because my really good friend knows where to get them for cheap and she wants me to try them with her.

[QUOTE=Jude]Brain bleed :lol: That's obviously a lie. And why would trying other stuff before LSD make a difference?[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think the brain bleed thing is a buncha BS.

Trying other stuff just gets you used to the feeling (although it might be rather different with LSD, I've never taken it), so that you don't freak out when you start trippin. There was a kid at my school who went campin and took some. He couldn't handle it when he started seein stuff and put a gun in his mouth. That sorta makes me not wanna try it.

sorry for the late reply, I just got back from a football game.

[QUOTE=Distant Echoes]Wow, I never thought of it like Echoes summing up all the different styles of the previous songs. Thats a good theory moaner. Ill have to listen to it again now...for the first time in a half year.

I still dont get the deal with the 5 minute gap in Echoes that builds up to the final verse. I mean, prog rock - i know, and its a great lead into the final half of the song, but I dont see what it's signifying. All their other songs like that I sortta have figured out.[/QUOTE]

I think it's sort of time in space, alone and seperate from the world.

[QUOTE=moaner]

If we thought of these things as ingredients to the world's greatest cake, what would we find? the psuchadelic epic of "Echoes" might not be too far off- both in terms of content and the length of the song.[/QUOTE]


Then you would have a song with many different styles not really a concept ;)

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]Then you would have a song with many different styles not really a concept ;)[/QUOTE]

the styles are combined to show what pink floyd are all about.

[QUOTE=moaner]Why Meddle could be a concept album of sorts


When we listen to the first side of meddle, we are greeted witha [I]smorgasbord[/I] of different styles, with precious little overlap. Folk, jazz, blues, hard rock, pop, its all there.

And what do all these genres have in common? Perhaps the most relevant thing would be the way that one or more of each of these genres was a great influence on each member of pink floyd, from rick's jazzy piano, the folky acoustic ballads roger and dave wrote, Mason's hard hitting drums and Gilmour's bluesy solos.

If we thought of these things as ingredients to the world's greatest cake, what would we find? the psuchadelic epic of "Echoes" might not be too far off- both in terms of content and the length of the song.[/QUOTE]

Good thinking. I like that album a lot.

[QUOTE=moaner]the styles are combined to show what pink floyd are all about.[/QUOTE]


But that wouldn't make it a concept album, just an album with a diverse song :)

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]But that wouldn't make it a concept album, just an album with a diverse song :)[/QUOTE]

Well, actually, the concept is the inclusion of all the different styles.

So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.[/QUOTE]

I agree, a different aproach to a concept album. A lot more plausible than my totally random idea.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.[/QUOTE]

Well, think of it as an unspoken gesture towards equality. Actually, I don't know where I'm going with this... it's really early in the morning. :p

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Well, think of it as an unspoken gesture towards equality. Actually, I don't know where I'm going with this... it's really early in the morning. :p[/QUOTE]


But then almost every song would have a cocnept, cause it's all saying something 'bout music ...

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]But then almost every song would have a cocnept, cause it's all saying something 'bout music ...[/QUOTE]

Uhh... every song does have a concept.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Uhh... every song does have a concept.[/QUOTE]

Not every ...

But I ment albums ;)

[QUOTE=moaner]i beleive that part of the song was actually subtitled "whales in labour"[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to when I said that a page back, I was making it up :lol:

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]If you're referring to when I said that a page back, I was making it up :lol:[/QUOTE]

/:upset:

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.[/QUOTE]

I would guess that that was probably the idea when they were writing it.

A musical-concept album would be something to turn heads, even if not many people took it that way.

I like your theory Moaner. I always knew there was more to Meddle than I thought, but I couldn't quite figure it out. Definitely their one of their most subtle concept albums. Whether or not that actually is what Pink Floyd meant to accomplish doesn't matter anyway, it's an amazing album regardless.

[QUOTE=moaner]/:upset:[/QUOTE]
Don't feel bad moaner, you know what, that's what we'll call it from now on. It comes up enough, it ought to have an ifficial name.

[QUOTE=]
tehfloydnoob102: God, I hate that whales in labour part of Echoes.

BigTrav415: Die.
[/QUOTE]
Yep, I like it :)

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]I like your theory Moaner. I always knew there was more to Meddle than I thought, but I couldn't quite figure it out. Definitely their one of their most subtle concept albums. Whether or not that actually is what Pink Floyd meant to accomplish doesn't matter anyway, it's an amazing album regardless.[/QUOTE]

absolutely

Wow, that is a good theory. How did you think this up?

I don't agree, you say it's a concept album 'cause it has many styles in it ... Well morre albums have that ... Than I think a top 20 cd, is also a concept album 'cause it also has many styles on it


8-)

not ... :P

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]I don't agree, you say it's a concept album 'cause it has many styles in it ... Well morre albums have that ... Than I think a top 20 cd, is also a concept album 'cause it also has many styles on it


8-)

not ... :P[/QUOTE]

I guess you could look at as a musical menagerie of thoughts, ideas and concepts uniting as one. Hence, we could consider it a metaphor for the real world, and therein lies the concept for the album.

Eg: All the previous tracks showcase the good points of each style or thought, and Echoes proves how they can all stand together, united and sounding great.


EDIT: Does anyone know when U2 released [i]With or Without You[/i]? It's been bugging my constantly that it sounds an awful lot like Take It Back at certain points.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I guess you could look at as a musical menagerie of thoughts, ideas and concepts uniting as one. Hence, we could consider it a metaphor for the real world, and therein lies the concept for the album.

Eg: All the previous tracks showcase the good points of each style or thought, and Echoes proves how they can all stand together, united and sounding great.


EDIT: Does anyone know when U2 released [i]With or Without You[/i]? It's been bugging my constantly that it sounds an awful lot like Take It Back at certain points.[/QUOTE]


1987 on The Joshua Tree(great album)

Yes, but with music there maybe are some thoughts, but those thoughts don't come from the music but from the lyrics, the music only make the lyrics stronger

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]1987 on The Joshua Tree(great album)

Yes, but with music there maybe are some thoughts, but those thoughts don't come from the music but from the lyrics, the music only make the lyrics stronger[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

Hehe, for a vocalist and lyricist (primarily), I actually place more importance on music than lyrics. But yes, I can take your point, and reverse it slightly ;) and come up with lyrics reinforce the music's message.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Thanks!

Hehe, for a vocalist and lyricist (primarily), I actually place more importance on music than lyrics. But yes, I can take your point, and reverse it slightly ;) and come up with lyrics reinforce the music's message.[/QUOTE]


But how can this lyrics reinforce the music's message, the lyrics aren't saying about merging different styles into one :O

I don't think it's a concept at all. You guys think WAY to deeply into this concept business. Sorry to be the one that points this out but I just think you guys get way too obsessed with concepts. You guys are alright to say Animals, DSoTM, the Wall and Wish You Were Here are all concepts but I don't think you're on to something with Meddle. Good thinking though. :p

[QUOTE=Schyma]I don't think it's a concept at all. You guys think WAY to deeply into this concept business. Sorry to be the one that points this out but I just think you guys get way too obsessed with concepts. You guys are alright to say Animals, DSoTM, the Wall and Wish You Were Here are all concepts but I don't think you're on to something with Meddle. Good thinking though. :p[/QUOTE]

You shut your mouth! :p

I have Echoes playing on repeat in my head right now. Specifically the part before the first lyrics, with Gilmour's bluesy, slow guitar and Mason's reverse cymbal crashes... you know, the slow part. I can't get it out of my head :(

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