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Spaceman Spiff 01-18-2010 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17759833]WTF is the point of those vice grips attached to your strings?[/QUOTE]

A "prepared" instrument, it can be any instrument, is one that you have prepared with materials to achieve sounds that you could not otherwise. Sometimes it's for a percussive sound, but everyone will do it differently.

That's not actually my guitar, nor do I actually plan to make an album of prepared guitar. However, for your enjoyment, here is a video of some prepared piano.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYsx5Di3bso[/url]

fatbandit 01-18-2010 03:12 PM

Hell yes. We studied John Cage's prepared piano stuff at school. I thought it was awful at first, but that kind of twentieth century art music opened me up to loads of other things, by pushing what I thought of as music a bit. I went through a MASSIVE noise phase because of it, but now I'm back healthily somewhere in the middle ;)

And FMB, expect an email soon :)

Spaceman Spiff 01-18-2010 03:15 PM

I really like what John Cage has done with music, but more than that, what he has to say about music. It's fascinating to hear him talk about sound and music.

Moon Flavor 01-18-2010 03:30 PM

[QUOTE=Raayl;17759772]wtf lol how do you listen to pig destroyer and dillenger escape plan but then not like error which is that vocalists best work by far

i really dont understand you tbqh[/QUOTE]

because the dillinger escape plan when they got that vocalist happens to be a completely different bad that sucks. he's a terrible vocalist. and i don't exactly listen to those bands for the vocals either way.

and what's wrong with emperor!

fatbandit 01-18-2010 05:04 PM

ilu joe

fatbandit 01-18-2010 05:05 PM

and oh yeah, i gots a new amp today.

[img]http://i46.tinypic.com/atrdd1.jpg[/img]

FunkMetalBass 01-18-2010 05:08 PM

[quote=fatbandit;17760047]ilu joe[/quote]

Np, dude.

gaslight 01-18-2010 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17758315]A few friends pitched in and got me a Line 6 PodXT Live for my birthday. Pretty sweet.[/QUOTE]

You got some generous friends.

Spaceman Spiff 01-18-2010 06:10 PM

[QUOTE=gaslight;17760063]You got some generous friends.[/QUOTE]

I'll say. It's lightly used, but that doesn't matter. It's a hell of a gift.

Convectuoso 01-18-2010 06:20 PM

[quote=fatbandit;17760049]and oh yeah, i gots a new amp today.

[IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/atrdd1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
I love the symbols on this amp.

I think it should be called Machamp instead. Cause that pokemon was about as ripped as they come.

gaslight 01-18-2010 06:28 PM

Nice looking amp. That's a guitar head by design isn't it?

blacklungfever 01-18-2010 11:47 PM

****

didn't put enough water in the rice cooker, so my rice is kinda crunchy. It's awful.

gaslight 01-18-2010 11:48 PM

Freeze it then try again.












Don't do that.

FunkMetalBass 01-19-2010 09:04 AM

Man, got most of the way through recording last night. I have one more set of harmonies to lay down and one more verse to our song "Ragnarok." I couldn't finish it because that song makes my throat extremely tired and after 8 or 9 times through the first verse, I was done.

I'm going to re-record a bass track as well because I'm not satisfied with the sound of it.

funkyhoney 01-19-2010 09:50 AM

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17761193]Man, got most of the way through recording last night. I have one more set of harmonies to lay down and one more verse to our song "Ragnarok." I couldn't finish it because that song makes my throat extremely tired and after 8 or 9 times through the first verse, I was done.

I'm going to re-record a bass track as well because I'm not satisfied with the sound of it.[/QUOTE]

Cue Rail getting all upset about how bass players are anal about tone.

funkyhoney 01-19-2010 09:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedCEGvgZto&feature=related

Speaking of awesome tone.

FunkMetalBass 01-19-2010 12:54 PM

[quote=funkyhoney;17761223]Cue Rail getting all upset about how bass players are anal about tone.[/quote]

I'm more upset about my playing than anything. Some sloppy stuffs.

I have distortion on the bass and the recording guy told me that the tone didn't work in the mix at all and that he wanted me to re-record.

Raayl can stfu about tone. If a tone wont mix fairly easily right away, it's a bad tone to be using and it isn't worth the time to mess around and try to correct it.

Epidemechanical 01-19-2010 01:36 PM

lmao

people hate what i say about bass guitar because it invalidates their obsession

and the reason i hate said obsession is because it creates fragmented thinking

IE people making music entirely from the perspective of one instrument

and that problem is AMPLIFIED in this case because the instrument their using isn't a particularly demanding or versatile one (bass guitar)

so it makes everything suck

also

producers need to be able to learn to work with what they have

that guy was an idiot and not very creative if he couldn't use your bass tone the way it is

i learn to work with what i have and what i have is a crappy OLP guitar and a schecter bass

so i make grainy gross distorted beats and then my digitized, fuzzy, 20 dollar guitar tone seems to "work"

so saying your tone "doesnt work" uhh

its bad production really

sorry you had to endure that

Epidemechanical 01-19-2010 01:37 PM

there's another point

quit trying to get "someone else's tone" (cause thats all anybody seems to want to do on bass) and just use your own

les claypool didnt run out trying to copy somebody he just used what he had, a CT bass, and became immortal

same with any of these bassists

they work with what they have

EADGCFBb 01-19-2010 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=Raayl;17761453]
people hate what i say about bass guitar because it invalidates their obsession

and the reason i hate said obsession is because it creates fragmented thinking

IE people making music entirely from the perspective of one instrument

also

producers need to be able to learn to work with what they have

that guy was an idiot and not very creative if he couldn't use your bass tone the way it is
so saying your tone "doesnt work" uhh

its bad production really
[/QUOTE]

That.

Epidemechanical 01-19-2010 03:56 PM

matt where have you been

Simpleton 01-19-2010 04:56 PM

i play the hammer dulcimer cause im a pimpassmotha****a

gaslight 01-19-2010 05:14 PM

Studio isn't the time to be a dick about your tone settings. I always set my amp up a particular way when I'm rehearsing or gigging, and so last time I went into studio to track bass parts for an album, I set my amp up the same way. The studio bloke had me play a bit, then changed the settings [i]completely[/i], set it up in ways I'd never have even considered setting it too, and I could have said "Hey man, I already had my settings done" and been difficult but I just kept my mouth shut and let him do it, because it's his environment and he knows what he's doing. I was still freaked out by the positions of the dials every time I looked at them, but damned if it didn't sound **** hot into the microphones and in the control room. So the moral of the story is, when someone knows what they're doing you let them do it.

funkyhoney 01-19-2010 07:43 PM

[IMG]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs183.snc3/19038_254669518457_662598457_3327979_6686458_n.jpg[/IMG]

Anyone recognise this?

FunkMetalBass 01-19-2010 10:48 PM

[quote=gaslight;17761966]Studio isn't the time to be a dick about your tone settings. I always set my amp up a particular way when I'm rehearsing or gigging, and so last time I went into studio to track bass parts for an album, I set my amp up the same way. The studio bloke had me play a bit, then changed the settings [I]completely[/I], set it up in ways I'd never have even considered setting it too, and I could have said "Hey man, I already had my settings done" and been difficult but I just kept my mouth shut and let him do it, because it's his environment and he knows what he's doing. I was still freaked out by the positions of the dials every time I looked at them, but damned if it didn't sound **** hot into the microphones and in the control room. So the moral of the story is, when someone knows what they're doing you let them do it.[/quote]

I agree.

Our second guitarist uses a Fender DeVille and a Fender Strat when he plays. Sounds all fine and dandy, except that he and I are treading on the exact same frequencies, so when you throw the two together with the other guitar and the drummer, he is completely lost in the mix. We are going to adjust his sound and re-record, and then I'll adjust mine accordingly for the recordings.

FunkMetalBass 01-19-2010 10:49 PM

[quote=funkyhoney;17762306][IMG]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs183.snc3/19038_254669518457_662598457_3327979_6686458_n.jpg[/IMG]

Anyone recognise this?[/quote]

Kind of reminds me of a Gibson Grabber.

Moon Flavor 01-19-2010 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=Raayl;17761453]lmao

[B]people hate what i say about bass guitar because it invalidates their obsession[/B]

and the reason i hate said obsession is because it creates fragmented thinking

IE people making music entirely from the perspective of one instrument

and that problem is AMPLIFIED in this case because the instrument their using isn't a particularly demanding or versatile one (bass guitar)

so it makes everything suck

also

producers need to be able to learn to work with what they have

that guy was an idiot and not very creative if he couldn't use your bass tone the way it is

i learn to work with what i have and what i have is a crappy OLP guitar and a schecter bass

so i make grainy gross distorted beats and then my digitized, fuzzy, 20 dollar guitar tone seems to "work"

so saying your tone "doesnt work" uhh

its bad production really

sorry you had to endure that[/QUOTE]

Or you could consider that maybe once in a while the stuff you say is stupid?

No, it couldn't be that

Epidemechanical 01-19-2010 11:59 PM

oh shut up jcs

you never have a single worthwhile thing to say ever

the ONLY thing you do, in true parasite fashion, is condescend

and the hilarity is

you have nothing to be condescending about lmao no achievements nothing to show you make nothing you edit nothing you really play nothing in anyway that means anything

but still

you just think your opinion matters

lmao

it doesnt

mine probably doesnt either but the difference that i just illustrated is:

i actually [I]do[/I] things

Moon Flavor 01-20-2010 12:33 AM

[QUOTE=Raayl;17763092]oh shut up jcs

you never have a single worthwhile thing to say ever

the ONLY thing you do, in true parasite fashion, is condescend

and the hilarity is

you have nothing to be condescending about lmao no achievements nothing to show you make nothing you edit nothing you really play nothing in anyway that means anything

but still

you just think your opinion matters

lmao

it doesnt

mine probably doesnt either but the difference that i just illustrated is:

i actually [I]do[/I] things[/QUOTE]

actually, all you do is condescend also

and my comment has nothing to do with what i do or what you do

i was just saying

ya know

you might be wrong once in a while

you never consider that possibility and you probably should

gaslight 01-20-2010 12:39 AM

when did you both start typing in the same format

with double spacing

and very few punctuation marks or capital letters

it's just starting to seem strange

actually i think we should all do it now

when read in a hurry

the entire thread will seem like a poem

Epidemechanical 01-20-2010 12:48 AM

umm no, sir, all i do is not condescend

i make music with people from this forum all the time

you dont

cuz

1) you dont know how
2) youre a douche

gaslight 01-20-2010 12:51 AM

i don't see a resolution for this on the horizon

Moon Flavor 01-20-2010 01:18 AM

[QUOTE=Raayl;17763184]umm no, sir, all i do is not condescend

[B]i make music with people from this forum all the time

you dont

cuz

1) you dont know how
2) youre a douche[/B][/QUOTE]

but that has nothing to do with anything i said

gaslight 01-20-2010 01:43 AM

i'm no expert but making music is a reasonably important part of being a musician

or maybe you guys aren't even talking about music

i don't know

Epidemechanical 01-20-2010 01:44 AM

gaslight is ****ing adorable

gaslight 01-20-2010 01:45 AM

i have absolutely no idea how to react to that

haha

FunkMetalBass 01-20-2010 08:15 AM

Raayl, are different microphones suited for different voices? When we recorded vocals with my Oktava MK-319, Stephanie's vocals came through wonderfully, but mine seemed to be quite lacking in the lower frequencies and didn't sound nearly as full.

gaslight 01-20-2010 08:24 AM

Not to butt in but yeah, different microphones are suited (in fact, designed) for different kinds of sound sources as you know, and there's enough variation between different human voices that entirely different microphones are considered ideal for different vocal ranges and styles.

I can't actually tell you what mics are good for what though.

FunkMetalBass 01-20-2010 10:04 AM

Maybe the key is in the mic preamp. Or maybe the key is to get a new mic for my vocals, like this one: [url]http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSEMXLV67G[/url]

EADGCFBb 01-20-2010 10:48 AM

A good engineer should have several mics at hand and know which one works best for which situation.


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