i want to ask if one just started trying to get whistle down is it possible that his falsetto can go as high as the whistle? my falsetto goes to G6, and when i try to make a squeal i can't go any higher. but it does feel different, it feels louder "in the head", am i doing anything right? or am i just doing falsetto in another way? because when i know i am using falsetto i have to use a lot of air, but when i try to squeal it doesn't take a lot of air, but it is difficult making the sound, and also holding it, probably cause i am not adducting well?

[QUOTE=hxcturtle369;14297942]What is the screamer from this band's technique? [url]http://www.myspace.com/tdwp[/url][/QUOTE]

honestly, he sounds throaty as hell

that band is so mediocre

[QUOTE=Eleventeen;14305900]honestly, he sounds throaty as hell

that band is so mediocre[/QUOTE]



What do you mean throaty as hell?

Here is what i mean:
[url]http://download.yousendit.com/4D43BBB56672F753[/url]

A second question is that in my mind, I always though a female would naturally be able to sing higher than a male due to smaller vocal folds, but I have heard more than once where a female was straining on the high notes in a song and there was a comment that the key was made for a male, which would imply that males hit the high notes easier? Which is it? Or do female singers just try to sing the song an octave higher making it more difficult?

The Devil Wears Prada is a band i like quite a bit, though, yes, his screaming is throated. Throaty in tone, though supported and proper. I can mimic relatively well, and his screams only roll through chest and head voices.
-As for his technique. I would recommend starting in your lower range and giving some belted low singing notes. The rasp really buzzes in your upper throat, far back. WITHOUT changing your larynx position play around with singing low and airing it up and out.... like add more air, and focus on pushing that air up in the throat. Again the larynx barely moves if at all... sometimes mine drops slightly to open up my throat. This position of low screaming really mimics the position your throat would be in when you burp. From their start playing with pulling it up.

As for the girls having consitently higher voices. I would also think this is true, though guys usually have a larger range, once they practice. Not that the average guy can go higher than a girl by any means, us guys can just go lower and stretch relatively high, especially through slipping into head and falsetto voices.



I do have one question for someone in the understanding of "screaming". I have sang/screamed for about a year now, never had any pain and such, but my problem lies in consitency. At times i have a full confortable screaming range that parallels my singing, these times i love. Sometimes, though, i get worked into a rut where for about a couple weeks i have difficulties. Placement issues that i know what i am doing wrong but can't change, like having problems with screaming glisses from low to high, and pulling that rasp forward as i do so. Anyone else share in this dilema???

replies desired

Post a...
 

Audio sample of you doing this technique...I would really like to hear it.

my sample
 

well here is my sample...I was bored...enjoy




[url]http://media.putfile.com/High-Pitched-Scream[/url]

[QUOTE=Scarcely_Living;14328100]The Devil Wears Prada is a band i like quite a bit, though, yes, his screaming is throated. Throaty in tone, though supported and proper. I can mimic relatively well, and his screams only roll through chest and head voices.
-As for his technique. I would recommend starting in your lower range and giving some belted low singing notes. The rasp really buzzes in your upper throat, far back. WITHOUT changing your larynx position play around with singing low and airing it up and out.... like add more air, and focus on pushing that air up in the throat. Again the larynx barely moves if at all... sometimes mine drops slightly to open up my throat. This position of low screaming really mimics the position your throat would be in when you burp. From their start playing with pulling it up.

As for the girls having consitently higher voices. I would also think this is true, though guys usually have a larger range, once they practice. Not that the average guy can go higher than a girl by any means, us guys can just go lower and stretch relatively high, especially through slipping into head and falsetto voices.



I do have one question for someone in the understanding of "screaming". I have sang/screamed for about a year now, never had any pain and such, but my problem lies in consitency. At times i have a full confortable screaming range that parallels my singing, these times i love. Sometimes, though, i get worked into a rut where for about a couple weeks i have difficulties. Placement issues that i know what i am doing wrong but can't change, like having problems with screaming glisses from low to high, and pulling that rasp forward as i do so. Anyone else share in this dilema???

replies desired[/QUOTE]

Gotta be able to do it with normal circumstances, aka singing. Do the same gliss or note melody with normal opera vowels to practice. You've got to be able to make the note at the same time as your rasp technique or a nano second after the normal note. The normal note should be the root of whatever youre doing.

[QUOTE=kdash;14325072]A second question is that in my mind, I always though a female would naturally be able to sing higher than a male due to smaller vocal folds, but I have heard more than once where a female was straining on the high notes in a song and there was a comment that the key was made for a male, which would imply that males hit the high notes easier? Which is it? Or do female singers just try to sing the song an octave higher making it more difficult?[/QUOTE]

What you probably heard was a crap singer. But yea if a song is in just the right spot, it will be right at too high for the girl to go the next higher octave, and yet still too low to go an octave lower. But shifting the key of the song helps to hit the same melody and intervals in a higher or lower range, Which is the usual solution, especially if the recording is a serious one.

The female in general has smaller cords AND larynx so yes in general their range starts and stops higher. Generally range is about the same but nowadays range means how high you can sing which truely isnt range.

Merkaba, can you also comment on what i need to get on the right track to whistle?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fluj4Fecfco[/url]

in the comments it says that the dude is just tightening his folds and not using the diaphragm. is this y i can't get any resonance when i try to go higher?

Merkaba is the man.

[QUOTE=kdash;14346759][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fluj4Fecfco[/url]

in the comments it says that the dude is just tightening his folds and not using the diaphragm. is this y i can't get any resonance when i try to go higher?[/QUOTE]

Whistle is such a hit or miss thing if you just dont have a natural thing for it. It just takes practice. And to get any kind of decency out of it you will have to use your diaphragm. Maybe if youre just starting off you can try it shallowly without much push so you can know the proper position, if there is one. Resonance in whistle register? Well youve got to get a nice whistle first of all then maybe you can start shaping the larynx a bit to get a better resonance. Your cords need to be thin and closed so get a nice true voice high e and stop there and try to work on your first notes. You can also hum high notes with your mouth closed and then try to open up and get a whistle position. And just in case you havent heard of her, check out georgia brown [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wSyIdwCFM[/url]

[QUOTE=Anthony_Green;14351561]Merkaba is the man.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Ant I love you and your high tenor voice. But I think you should drop the cocaine from your profile. And saosin wasnt all that great! :chug: :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14354602]Whistle is such a hit or miss thing if you just dont have a natural thing for it. It just takes practice. And to get any kind of decency out of it you will have to use your diaphragm. Maybe if youre just starting off you can try it shallowly without much push so you can know the proper position, if there is one. Resonance in whistle register? Well youve got to get a nice whistle first of all then maybe you can start shaping the larynx a bit to get a better resonance. Your cords need to be thin and closed so get a nice true voice high e and stop there and try to work on your first notes. You can also hum high notes with your mouth closed and then try to open up and get a whistle position. And just in case you havent heard of her, check out georgia brown [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wSyIdwCFM[/url][/QUOTE]

What I mean by resonance is that when you hear the pro's do it, it seems that they get it so loud that they have to move their mic farther away like they would do with high notes.

[QUOTE=kdash;14367495]What I mean by resonance is that when you hear the pro's do it, it seems that they get it so loud that they have to move their mic farther away like they would do with high notes.[/QUOTE]

Oh...Well technically you should never need to move the mic except maybe for whistle since is not as controllable. But what you describe isnt necessarily resonance. Thats just power and strength. Some falsettos with no resonance can be the same way. But it takes more luck and genetics to even have a decent whistle then youd then another dose of the same to be able to practice it enough to build power with it. Maybe you should post a sample.

Need ur opinions on my singing/band, please.
 

Hey Merk and everyone!

I posted it on the Voice-help thread also, but it seems ppl did not see it...

[url]http://trig.com/samsara-maya[/url]

I explained everything in the other thread, but hey,,,just listen and tell me what you guys and girls fell about it.

Thanx a lot in advance!

Alexandre

[QUOTE=Alexcrex;14378537]Hey Merk and everyone!

I posted it on the Voice-help thread also, but it seems ppl did not see it...

[url]http://trig.com/samsara-maya[/url]

I explained everything in the other thread, but hey,,,just listen and tell me what you guys and girls fell about it.

Thanx a lot in advance!

Alexandre[/QUOTE]

i responded in that thread

hey im new to this forum and I just want to ask how do people sing like Metallica or the way Trivium sing now(The Crusade) if you can help thnx.

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14368001]Oh...Well technically you should never need to move the mic except maybe for whistle since is not as controllable. But what you describe isnt necessarily resonance. Thats just power and strength. Some falsettos with no resonance can be the same way. But it takes more luck and genetics to even have a decent whistle then youd then another dose of the same to be able to practice it enough to build power with it. Maybe you should post a sample.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/80CF00806736FECB[/url]

This is in my lower range, if i go higher i lack any consistency and power so it is hard to record. When I hit that with falsetto it sounds a little different so I just hope that i am on the right track.

I also noticed a nasal quality within my voice, how do i get rid of it? when i tried to aim the voice more towards the back to hit the soft palate i sound generic and emotionless. Are you suppose to let air out of your nose or hold the air? Could this be caused from the generic computer mics i use to record myself?

[QUOTE=kdash;14402293]I also noticed a nasal quality within my voice, how do i get rid of it? when i tried to aim the voice more towards the back to hit the soft palate i sound generic and emotionless. Are you suppose to let air out of your nose or hold the air? Could this be caused from the generic computer mics i use to record myself?[/QUOTE]

nasal, are you referring to whistle notes?

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14409919]nasal, are you referring to whistle notes?[/QUOTE]

I am referring to just normal singing. How it sounds kinda like how your nose is plugged, which mine is to a certain extent.

I read about not placing the mic too close to the nose to reduce this, but i still find it quite heavy on the higher notes, especially if i have to pronounce a n/ng.

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14409919]nasal, are you referring to whistle notes?[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, you didn't comment on whether i was on the right track in practicing whistle notes or not. I basically think if I were to breath out and wanted to stop that how i would do it. Which is adducting the vocal folds, then by just letting a tiny bit of air out I try to make notes.

merkaba wats ur aim or msn or email or anything?

Merk, I have a question about what I'm doing.

Seeing as how you're familiar with Saosin/Circa, I hope you'll understand my question. In some songs such as Mookies Last Christmas (when Ant/Cove sing "Twice" in the chorus) and in Voices (the final notes when Cove says "Real" twice), I USED to be able to push myself by forcing more air out to hit the notes. However, now (being sick) I've read that lowering your "adam's apple" and keeping a more open mouth helps access those notes without straining. However, I've noticed that I also get a raspy quality to higher notes as it amplifies rather well. My question is, am I stepping into falsetto by doing so or is this head voice?

[QUOTE=Xero09;14444678]Merk, I have a question about what I'm doing.

Seeing as how you're familiar with Saosin/Circa, I hope you'll understand my question. In some songs such as Mookies Last Christmas (when Ant/Cove sing "Twice" in the chorus) and in Voices (the final notes when Cove says "Real" twice), I USED to be able to push myself by forcing more air out to hit the notes. However, now (being sick) I've read that lowering your "adam's apple" and keeping a more open mouth helps access those notes without straining. However, I've noticed that I also get a raspy quality to higher notes as it amplifies rather well. My question is, am I stepping into falsetto by doing so or is this head voice?[/QUOTE]

No way I could tell you without hearing it. Do you know if youre a tenor? Those guys are, Ant is of course a high tenor. If youre not a tenor its gonna be sketchy to get it to sound decent on a regular basis, I dont care how much you work. Sometimes you could be hitting it in head and other times in falsetto when it comes to your borderline between registers. If you record it acapella then you'll really be able to tell what kinda quality you have. If you have laryngitis or if youre hoarse from your sickness please dont sing at all and dont talk unless you absolutely have to. Yes, there is NO reasont to push more air when trying to reach higher notes. Your cords are being pulled thinner and they actually need a bit less air. Over pushing at this point is really taxing on the system. Its like plucking your guitar's high e string really hard.

[QUOTE=kdash;14409970]I am referring to just normal singing. How it sounds kinda like how your nose is plugged, which mine is to a certain extent.[/QUOTE]

Yours didnt sound too nasal to me. Alot of times being nasal comes from seeing tensely or with a higher larynx than necessary. Sing mid and low notes and try to mimic this throat feeling as you go higher. The throat doesnt move much when the cords move....at least it shouldnt/doesnt have to. Make sure you keep it relaxed like you do when singing a mid or low mid note.

Well, I'm pretty sure I would fall under high baritone (bari-tenor?) because my normal speaking voice is around D below a C4 (not the explosive, the middle C). I'll try recording once I get better.

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14454700]Yours didnt sound too nasal to me. Alot of times being nasal comes from seeing tensely or with a higher larynx than necessary. Sing mid and low notes and try to mimic this throat feeling as you go higher. The throat doesnt move much when the cords move....at least it shouldnt/doesnt have to. Make sure you keep it relaxed like you do when singing a mid or low mid note.[/QUOTE]

Since you heard me, am i closing together my vocal cords to try to whistle or am i doing something totally in the wrong direction?

[QUOTE=kdash;14478392]Since you heard me, am i closing together my vocal cords to try to whistle or am i doing something totally in the wrong direction?[/QUOTE]

the link is expired and being that it was a while ago I can't remember all together, but theres really only one way to get whistle. Just keep practicing. Although there are many that say that whistle can be degrading to the vocal mechanism. All I know is its good to keep the larynx low and relaxed when trying to get whistle notes. Good luck.

It is difficult for me to know, because anything I can do with my 'whistle' i can also do with falsetto, but using a lot more air, so I guess i wont' know till i gain range. Another question is how to properly do belt notes?

Hi Merkaba, I've been working on my voice for about 9 months, and I have a fairly big range. I have been trying to sing with a rasp like Rise Against's Tim McIlrath. I use 3 ways of getting a rasp: singing high like anthony green and clenching something in my throat slightly, adding a pitch to a metalcore scream, and finally mixing falsetto with my head voice. I want one single technique that I can apply to my whole range rather than navigating through three possibly harmful techniques. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Anubis;14484240]Hi Merkaba, I've been working on my voice for about 9 months, and I have a fairly big range. I have been trying to sing with a rasp like Rise Against's Tim McIlrath. I use 3 ways of getting a rasp: singing high like anthony green and clenching something in my throat slightly, adding a pitch to a metalcore scream, and finally mixing falsetto with my head voice. I want one single technique that I can apply to my whole range rather than navigating through three possibly harmful techniques. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Did you read any of this thread? Go back to page one.

You should be able to rasp any note on any pitch with minimal push. Do away with any idea of "clenching" anything. Especially if you feel that you have to sing high in order to get this.

There is no such thing as mixing falsetto with anything. By definition its impossible.

Again, it boils down to the wrong answer buzzer "aannnnnk" type of rasp, or a slight dog growl. You can do these with very little push. It takes a bit of practice to get this incorporated with a normal note, but this is the area of the throat youre looking to use, while keeping the vocal cords under a normal singing tension. Gotta go for now.

I see. Ill try reading some of the thread, but the 50 pages was off putting. Later.

another question is how to improve on the 'ee' and 'oo' vowels, i find them the hardest, since i can't open up as much as lets say 'ah'.

Merk, so I'm screaming for like a comple of songs during my band practice or whatever, and after that my vocals start feeling like crap. Not hurting, but just that feeling that I got to stop. I was sitting there think and wondering what the hell I'm going to do but I didn't know Melissa Cross's DVD seems a little unfocused on the actual teaching.

So, how do you think I could help my voice feel less restrained from my rasping... I've uploaded a file to stream to show you what I'm currently doing.

[url]http://media.putfile.com/My-RaspScream[/url]

Hey Safety Chaser, your screams don't sound too bad. I can kinda hear you tensing up for the low screams, maybe closing your throat off? Maybe at band practices, try staying as relaxed as possible with like 50% push than what you're doing now and gradually work you way back up.

To be honest, I can't scream very well myself, I have trouble with the basic rasp, and getting my head around the "buzzer" or "dog growl" sound. I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to do. I can do the sounds but I'm not sure if I'm doing them right. Someone also said to me screaming is like sighing, can anyone please clear this up? I'll post audio clips if that'll help.