Closing the big band threads would be a bad idea, there is nothing wrong with general discussion of a band. But i do agree we dont have to close every thread about a band that has a thread already.

For example, it was a good idea to leave Ramsey's thread open about In Flames' new album, even though there is already an in flames discussion thread.

I say we get rid of the "Music reccomendation thread" though.

This is very true. Chris just counted up the threads on page one that have over 100 posts, and he counted 18. There is nothing wrong with having a thread that lasts to only 30 or so posts and then dies, is there? Sure, some threads go a bit too narrow in topic, but some bands should be allowed to have more than one thread.

off topic: I messed up the release date for Pulse in the review Med, it is actually January :-/

I know the phases you're talking about, Med. I've seen my fair-share of them. This one is getting out of hand, though. Like you said, the same threads are always on the first two pages. There is literally no room for new threads after three minutes of their creation.

We have an "official" thread for Trivium.. that's not necessary. They're not [I]that[/I] popular of a band. There are a few other threads for bands that aren't going to generate any more than a handful of threads a week. A handful of threads a week is fine, as long as they have a point.

I've seen a few intelligent threads that were made specifically about an "official thread" band, and the threads were closed. That saddened me. I personally find it difficult to have a solid discussion on one topic in a huge thread like the official ones. I distinctly remember there being a very large Tool thread, a looong time ago that went for pages, but the content was very good. There is no doubt in my mind that it would not have even been a discussion if the thread were closed and the threadstarter directed to the Tool thread.

I'd like to avoid things like that. I understand that we can't close the "official" threads - they're communities in themselves. Something needs to be done about the lack of room on the first two or three pages, though.

I'd be all for letting dead threads sink away.

Mainly because all my extensive writeups have died and then new threads have been made since O:-)

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419195[/url]

Jom wanted that closed at 11:59 PM Central time, and it's currently 12:08 AM. Do with it what you will.

Chris - Exactly. A thread about the lyrics or meanings behind the music of a certain band should be something that is totally okay.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]This is very true. Chris just counted up the threads on page one that have over 100 posts, and he counted 18. There is nothing wrong with having a thread that lasts to only 30 or so posts and then dies, is there? Sure, some threads go a bit too narrow in topic, but some bands should be allowed to have more than one thread.[/QUOTE]

I think if you're an intelligent enough user to guage what precisely about a band deserves its own thread then the mods are pretty okay with leaving those threads open. For instance, Ramsey has made a few threads that deal with "outside" topics on bands (he had a big Ghost Reveries Opeth thread if I remember) which stayed open, and my Nightwish thread stayed open for a little bit. I have a feeling that the issues you're talking about are more a problem of silly users who like to throw their weight around when they see the slightest rule infraction and call out "against the rules, dumbarse!" probably because they want rep or something. Those users should be banned without exception, which is something that is in the rules but which the mods don't seem to do very often. Crack down on them, and I feel like you'd notice less of the bother of "against the rules" blah blah blah.

I agree that certain threads should be left open. I also agree that the number of large band threads is kind of an eyesore and also a strange murderer of subject matter. The alternative, though, is the unruly creation of thread after thread after thread on the same groups, providing no sense of people's general thoughts or feelings over time, nor of a sense of community: this is one thing that is good about the band threads despite the circular conversation topics. The key is balancing it out to make a happy middle ground between thread anarchy and the kind of stilted dryness you're noticing. It ebbs and flows, as Med said. There's really not much to do except treat the symptoms: everything else kind of goes the way it goes.

I definitely agree with leaving some of the threads open. I don't think anyone will disagree with us leaving the Metallica thread open. We all remember the hell that the forum was when St. Anger was released. :p

But the Trivium thread, for example.. I have nothing against that band (I've honestly never heard them), but they're not a huge band that will have seven threads on the front page at once.

[QUOTE=3074326]I definitely agree with leaving some of the threads open. I don't think anyone will disagree with us leaving the Metallica thread open. We all remember the hell that the forum was when St. Anger was released. :p

But the Trivium thread, for example.. I have nothing against that band (I've honestly never heard them), but they're not a huge band that will have seven threads on the front page at once.[/QUOTE]
I don't :upset:

But yeah, there are lots of "official threads" for bands which kinda seem to be the flavor of the month more than anything else.

If you want, you could trying closing the big band threads every few months, and then starting new ones. I did that with the PF thread, and it seemed to work out okay.

Also, I think "official threads" are a good idea, in that users who do ask questions get the right answers. I can't count how many times I've seen "How does The Wall and Wizard of Oz sync together?", with no-one correcting the threadstarter.

And besides, part of the forum's rules state that if there is a thread on a certain topic, you shouldn't make a new thread. That's the only thing governing the official threads now, since we took out the official title.

So, we have a dilemma. Remove one of the main tenets of R&M rules, or keep the official threads, which people seem to be intimidated by.

As for the write-ups, everyone knows where I stand on those.

Another side note; nobody seems to care about the classic rock thread, even though the discussion in there is quite terrible at times.

I don't have a problem with the official threads themselves, I have a problem with how much they consume the forum.

There are just too many of them.

The write-ups are fine. They're very informative.

EDIT: I have to throw in a smiley so I don't feel like an a[COLOR=White]s[/Color]s about this.

:p

I feel better.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]I don't :upset:

But yeah, there are lots of "official threads" for bands which kinda seem to be the flavor of the month more than anything else.[/QUOTE]

Definitely agreed. People seem to think that because ***OFFICIAL*** isn't seen on the official band threads anymore that suddenly the right to make "official" band threads has passed from the mod to the user, which really shouldn't be the case. People are coming up with the same types of pun names that were given to mod-sanctioned official threads on request from their existing communities, so it's as if they are creating official discussion threads themselves.

EDIT: To Riva- I would assume that no one cares because "Classic Rock" implies a more all-encompassing perspective with regard to discussion than a single-band official thread would. I.e. you can talk about something other than Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix if you want. The main gripe doesn't seem to me to be about the circular conversation in official threads (which just occurs naturally), it's more that certain users report away whenever a similar thread spurts up, thus effectively killing any attempt to get [I]away[/I] from the deadened talk that permeates those official threads. If the regulations are loosened (not eliminated), that should be good enough, right?

Again, official threads don't exist anymore. Users can call their threads whatever they like, and as long as they are current, similar threads are disallowed. It's one of the oldest rules of our fine nation.

Are you some kind of commie, Lucas?

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Again, official threads don't exist anymore. [/QUOTE]

Oh. Right. Sorry...

Even so, I'd say that the notion that they are still in some way "official" (due to number of replies, extent of conversation, etc.) carries over to the individual threads that are created and so the subconscious thought is still that once a thread on a band is created no others can exist. That's...more what I meant to say, I guess. The name has nothing to do with it, you're right. :)

[QUOTE]Are you some kind of commie, Lucas?[/QUOTE]

No, Senator, I have never been a member of, nor have I associated with or corresponded with any member, representative, or affiliate body of the U.S. Communist Party.

:swears on the Bible:

Right. Tell me which threads are too large, and I will close them, start a new one, and make it all pretty like.

Don't know if this is illegal or not, maybe it should be moved to classifieds?

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419553[/url]

Is/has anyone been bothered by the recent major server lags? For the passed three days it's been taking so long to get onto the forums or post in threads. And sometimes I'll just get a "error" or "page cancelled" thing come up.

[QUOTE=Butcher]Is/has anyone been bothered by the recent major server lags? For the passed three days it's been taking so long to get onto the forums or post in threads. And sometimes I'll just get a "error" or "page cancelled" thing come up.[/QUOTE]
me, its getting annoying.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419613[/url]

Copy thread. He hit the submit button more than once. Just delete one please.

[QUOTE=Butcher]Is/has anyone been bothered by the recent major server lags? For the passed three days it's been taking so long to get onto the forums or post in threads. And sometimes I'll just get a "error" or "page cancelled" thing come up.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419393[/url]

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution][url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419393[/url][/QUOTE]

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one. I hardly ever venture into the site forum though.

Mods, any chance you would let me make a thread disccusing the worst album and why? Legit arguements only others will be reported/hopefully banned. I will try to keep others spam to a minimum.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419658[/url]
Holy crap, there is a million threads that are identical to this. It's not even the right forum. I'll edit in the link to the other threads.

Here they are:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419659[/url]
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419656[/url]

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419659[/url]

Close please.

EDIT: As Ricemonster beat me by about an hour, this post's purpose has changed to that of serving as a reminder for the mods. :)

What manner of test be that?

Cain - thanks. Must have been the only one to slip through the net.

[QUOTE=Flame In The Ashes]Mods, any chance you would let me make a thread disccusing the worst album and why? Legit arguements only others will be reported/hopefully banned. I will try to keep others spam to a minimum.[/QUOTE]

I don't think a purely negative thread would work, really. It's up to the others, I'm only 1/5th of the R&M machine.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I don't think a purely negative thread would work, really. It's up to the others, I'm only 1/5th of the R&M machine.[/QUOTE]
Well, there are always band/album praising threads, so why not show what you dont like about one. Has to be legit though and well backed.

Because it's easier to keep naysayers out of positive threads. I believe it will be nearly impossible to keep balanced opinion in a thread dedicated to degrading albums. Too much bitchiness, I reckon.

I agree with Riva.

There would be a billion posts like "OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT MY FAVORITE ALBUM IS THE WORST EVER!?!?!"

I have nothing against the idea, just a huge problem with the users who would post like that. You know it would happen.

[QUOTE=3074326]I agree with Riva.

There would be a billion posts like "OMG HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT MY FAVORITE ALBUM IS THE WORST EVER!?!?!"

I have nothing against the idea, just a huge problem with the users who would post like that. You know it would happen.[/QUOTE]
How about best/worst albums, back it up with legit arguements?

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420117[/url]

should be in the recommendation thread

[QUOTE=Flame In The Ashes]How about best/worst albums, back it up with legit arguements?[/QUOTE]

I don't care if you give it a try, but if it gets closed after the first or second page it won't surprise me.

Get another opinion though, I really don't think it'll get far.

I don't like the idea at all. I believe people should focus on the good of music and simply ignore the bad. This will spring multiple violent arguments anyway.

I'm sorry I haven't got the votes in for the top 50 members in yet but I think I'll be done in the next few days. I'm having alot of trouble with getting on my computer these days. (grounded)

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10639497#post10639497[/url]

Seriousley...what the hell.

Probably unnecesary bitching, but won't there be problems with the classic rock thread in the future if attempted to be closed? I don't know. I was just wondering what was up with that, maybe making a new thread about it.

I don't know exactly what it links to because I didn't click it, but I thought I better report [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10640432&postcount=29084]this post[/url] just incase. The poster only has one post, and gives no explanation for the link, so it seemed suspicious.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Probably unnecesary bitching, but won't there be problems with the classic rock thread in the future if attempted to be closed? I don't know. I was just wondering what was up with that, maybe making a new thread about it.[/QUOTE]

How do you mean? We've all accepted that the thread wil have to be closed eventually.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=418785[/url]

4 teh close + teh unstikkee.

Please and thank you.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420593[/url]

4 teh stikkee.

[QUOTE=Lunch]How do you mean? We've all accepted that the thread wil have to be closed eventually.[/QUOTE]
I mean as it getting too big, and mods unable to moderate/surf/sailboat through the thread or something like that that also happens in the community threads, because of the length of it or something around that line... Because I saw what happened to the CT and thought it was important to make a clear statement that maybe it was a good candidate for revamping.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420706[/url]

Now Playing thread.

Or I thought it was illegal but now after glancing at the rules I didn't see anything that said they were a "No-no" and people are posting it in still.