i'm getting back into Nile again, man they rock

Those Once Loyal is my favorite.

Any Sadis Euohoria fans here? One of very few bands that I think use "bree" vocals properly.

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Hey, my bands webpage is finally up [url]www.torn-apart.com[/url] and we got a gig at the House Of Metal festival in febuary. Others playing are God Among Insects (their farewell show) and Unleashed, Candlemass, Scat Symmetry, Naglfar, EasyAction and a many more.


So whats going on in here, any good dm albums coming out soon

So Luc asked me on last.fm why I like JFAC, and I finally figured out a good list of reasons.

♥epic live show
♥absolutely amazing vocals
♥[formerly] well mixed melody and aggression
♥very groovy drumming
♥tasteful breakdowns
♥lots of well placed tempo changes
♥really well written lyrics

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan;15564306]Mappy, if you ever tour in this area let me know. Then again, I plan on coming up to PA at some point.[/QUOTE]

Ross (guitarist) was talking about trying to get a mini-east coast tour with Bataan Death March and Fire Set Birth going during winter break, but knowing him, he'll never be prepared in time. I'd love to tour some day, but I really doubt it'll ever happen, it's kind of upsetting, because I absolutely love "playing" shows.

Plus, Fire Set Birth's drummer still hasn't come back from Michigan. :(

[QUOTE=Luc214;15562208]So I'm looking for some good brutal death of the "slam groove" variety.

I like Wormed if they count, and Goretrade. I also heard one band called Carnivore Diprosopus that was pretty cool.[/QUOTE]I have a couple of friends into so called slam death, I'd guess they'd recommend Devourment, Cephalotripsy, etc. They love Carnivore Diprosopus too. Personally, I haven't listened to enough of this stuff to make a real judgement on whether I like it.

I actually had to sit through all of a JFAC release on Saturday (probably Doom, it wasn't the album), and I completely hated it.

JFAC were my gateway band to lots of other generic deathcore bands.

[QUOTE=Charizard;15564711]So Luc asked me on last.fm why I like JFAC, and I finally figured out a good list of reasons.

♥epic live show
♥absolutely amazing vocals
♥[formerly] well mixed melody and aggression
♥very groovy drumming
♥tasteful breakdowns
♥lots of well placed tempo changes
♥really well written lyrics[/QUOTE]

-recycled riffs
-overused chuggas
-bad songwriting in general (most of the tempo changes are totally forced, especially on Doom)
-Doom has very simple guitar work
-cliche bass drops
-poorly placed blastbeats

[quote=masscows;15565300]-recycled riffs
-overused chuggas
-bad songwriting in general (most of the tempo changes are totally forced, especially on Doom)
-Doom has very simple guitar work
-cliche bass drops
-poorly placed blastbeats[/quote]


Everyone knows Doom wasn't exactly thier greatest achievement. But Genesis is extremely well written. I've also heard maybe one or two bombs or bass drops on the album, and the "placement" of the blast beating isn't any different from any other band who does it well.

And overused chuggas? Are you on crack?

No, I reviewed that album and alot of the songs just seem like they went

"Oh, hey here's some cool riffs"
"Yeah great, let's put them in this order"
"Oh, wait guys, the song isn't long enough"
"Now what?"
"IDK, let's just disguise some chugga riffs with some dweedling between them so they won't be danceable but will still take up time"
"Great idea!"

Most of the songs just seem like they couldn't think of more decent riffs so they used chuggas as filler (Martyrdom Unsealed is the best example of this, if I remember correctly the first half of that song is amazingly good, but the second half is just generic somewhat speedy chuggas).

Along with the fact that there are like 10 riffs/licks that are each used in at least 2 songs. It's a pretty average record.

I still disagree, but even so, based soley on that, you can't attack them for cliche bombs (that they don't actually have), poor blast beating (which isn't more poorly placed than any other band) or bad songwriting (just because you thing the riffing is bad).

Why don't you just say you thing thier guitar riffs suck, instead of attacking them for **** which is completely erroneous?

I could see it if you said that about As Blood Runs Black or All Shall Perish (though I still like both of those bands), because all of the above would be true. But I think you're overgeneralizing the genre and making JFAC take the fall for it.

Well, I was basing it more on Doom because that's the one Mappy is in love with. Genesis isn't bad, it's just not good. Genesis certainly has its fair share of good riffs, that's why I said it was average instead of just saying it sucks in general.

The drumming is also way tighter and makes more sense on Genesis than Doom.

Genesis left no impression on me whatsoever. It wasn't bad, but there was nothing defining about it at all. Basically the definition of generic.

Hence why I said everyone knows Doom is not thier best effort. I think even Matt knows how much it pales in comparison to Genesis.


You can't deny that they get empires better over time. I do believe thier next album will be a very well written, enjoyable album.


EDIT: @ Masscows



Deth: Maybe slightly generic, but they definitely seperated themselves from the majority of thier peers (ABRB, ASP, etc.).

Doom is bad, Genesis (what I've heard) is just okay. However, it's just as okay as bands like Cannibal Corpse and other blandtastic bands that nobody seems to give much **** in here.

ASP is actually good, though.

Cannibal Corpse went to complete sh[SIZE=2]i[/SIZE]t like 3 albums ago.

HBP: ASP is good, but not groundbreaking at all.

Cannibal Corpse have released their best stuff in the past 3 albums.

All Shall Perish is generally a ball of garbage wrapped in a turd.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15565455]Cannibal Corpse went to complete sh[SIZE=2]i[/SIZE]t like 3 albums ago.

HBP: ASP is good, but not groundbreaking at all.[/QUOTE]

Cannibal Corpse has been bland since they started. Kill is probably the least average of all the ones I've heard but it's not saying much.

ASP is great, but I mostly listen for the vocals now. They're really repetitive.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15565439]You can't deny that they get empires better over time. I do believe thier next album will be a very well written, enjoyable album.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm expecting their next one to be pretty good if they continue to grow and learn how to write songs/riffs better.[quote]All Shall Perish is generally a ball of garbage wrapped in a turd.[/quote]yeah but with cool vocals

[quote=Deth;15565460]Cannibal Corpse have released their best stuff in the past 3 albums.

[/quote]

Ummmm.......

Not true, and not true. Best CC was TOTM-GOS era.

All Shall Perish is the only band worth a poop in the "deathcore" genre.

Cannibal Corpse sucks. No album is really any less crap than the other

[quote=Hbp;15565470]Not true, and not true. Best CC was TOTM-GOS era.

All Shall Perish is the only band worth a poop in the "deathcore" genre.[/quote]

1. QFT.
2. Ummmm.....

CC has always been worthless.

[QUOTE=pate;15565476]CC has always been worthless.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they're essentially just a brand people use to make it look like they're into death metal.

CC is easily the trendiest death metal band. Forget JFAC and all those guys.

They were a trend starting death metal band, the trendy ones are Exhumed and the like.

[QUOTE=masscows;15565502]They were a trend starting death metal band, the trendy ones are Exhumed and the like.[/QUOTE]
You're interpreting the term "trend" wrong.

I really like[I] Kill[/I]

they put a good live show

I know what you meant, I'm just saying.

I'd only see them with Jim Carrey on vocals.

[QUOTE=Txus;15565516]I really like[I] Kill[/I]

they put a good live show[/QUOTE]

Kill is gooden, but it doesn't stand up to TOTM or GOS

They're really boring live imo...

[QUOTE=VomitStainedCretin;15564986]I have a couple of friends into so called slam death, I'd guess they'd recommend Devourment, Cephalotripsy, etc. They love Carnivore Diprosopus too. Personally, I haven't listened to enough of this stuff to make a real judgement on whether I like it.[/QUOTE]

Well I loathe Devourment. :lol:

As I said, I was misinformed as to what the stuff actually sounded like.

Carnivore Diprosopus is an exception, because they actually play riffs not one note chugs. But after hearing them again, I would say they're more brutal death than anything. I haven't heard Cephalotripsy.

Lots of brutal death borders on slam, you have to be careful. Where's purplefeet when you need her, she could probably help you out. I dont think many people in here listen to that stuff.

[QUOTE]I am really enjoying Bolt Thrower. The only album I have is War Master, any other suggestions?

Mappy, if you ever tour in this area let me know. Then again, I plan on coming up to PA at some point.[/QUOTE]

Dude...I had War Master, then i got more albums. Its unhealthy. I can't stop listening to Bolt Thrower now! Get more now!

...For Victory, Mercenary, Those Once Loyal. All good stuff!

[QUOTE=Deth;15565460]Cannibal Corpse have released their best stuff in the past 3 albums.

All Shall Perish is generally a ball of garbage wrapped in a turd.[/QUOTE]

Okay, no and no. Cannibal Corpse's best albums are probably The Bleeding, Gallery Of Suicide, and The Wretched Spawn.

And All Shall Perish is freaking awesome.

[QUOTE=masscows;15565300]-recycled riffs
-overused chuggas
-bad songwriting in general (most of the tempo changes are totally forced, especially on Doom)
-Doom has very simple guitar work
-cliche bass drops
-poorly placed blastbeats[/QUOTE]

Doom tends to flow perfectly well. And, I know the guitarwork is simple, but it works. The blastbeats work as well, and bass drops are cliche, but they don't detract from the music.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15565398]I could see it if you said that about As Blood Runs Black or All Shall Perish (though I still like both of those bands), because all of the above would be true. But I think you're overgeneralizing the genre and making JFAC take the fall for it.[/QUOTE]

All Shall Perish is actually really good from a songwriting perspective, everything they do is very well placed, not very "random" at all.

Well maybe on Hate. Malice. Revenge. the songwriting lacked.

[QUOTE=Luc214;15565537]I haven't heard Cephalotripsy.[/QUOTE]Like Devourment with more one dimensional vocals; therefore I doubt you'd like them.