Tool are so much more overrated than Opeth its funny. But it shouldn't have an affect on your opinion on the bands anyways.

On another note, I'm going to see Opeth when they come here :D

Hopefully will be a great show.

[QUOTE=toaster135]the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality[/QUOTE]

*sigh* What's it going to take for us drummers to get some respect from you a$sholes? :p

Danny Carey is alot more than good, and his playing greatly contributes to the songwriting and originality of the music. So they're not guitar based. Boohoo. They're still very creative, and definitely original. Many of the songs, especially on the last album, explore alot of interesting phrasings that go over the barline and are in odd time signatures, and they often feature advanced structures that definitely aren't featured in your run of the mill typical rock band.

It will be.

I need more of their tourdates dammit!

Opeth came to portland and I was a idiot and didn't go....


Please shooooot me.:wave:

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]*sigh* What's it going to take for us drummers to get some respect from you a$sholes? :p

Danny Carey is alot more than good, and his playing greatly contributes to the songwriting and originality of the music. So they're not guitar based. Boohoo. They're still very creative, and definitely original. Many of the songs, especially on the last album, explore alot of interesting phrasings that go over the barline and are in odd time signatures, and they often feature advanced structures that definitely aren't featured in your run of the mill typical rock band.[/QUOTE]

Not to start up this argument again, but..

Maybe to an advanced drummer he helps the music along. To me, his drumming isn't outwardly amazing enough to make the music any more interesting. I'm sure Danny Carey is a great drummer, but to me his drumlines don't sound really interesting or catchy unless I soley focus on them.

Is anyone else going to see Opeth on Feb 28th? I'm already really psyched for that show.

Even though I'm not a huge Tool fan, I would say the drumming is amazing and one of the best parts of the band.

Half the reason I like Tool more is because of the live show. But someone can say they dont like seeing stuff floating and falling and wierd lights and pictures. So whatever.

Saw the video for Grand....Co.....(Limited vocabulary) I totaly wanted that girl to sit on the toilet seat and have the snake enter her pooper :p

So what's everyones favourite Opeth album...??

Joke. :p

B E S T O F 2 0 0 5 - G H O S T R E V E R I E S

METAL HAMMER: Critics Poll – #1 Best Album of 2005.
TERRORIZER: Readers Poll – #1 Best Band, Best Album, Best Musician (Mikael), Best Vocalist (Mikael), Best Cover Art. #2 Best Live Act, Personality of the Year (Mikael).
TERRORIZER: Writers Poll – #5 Best Album.
ROCKSOUND: Readers Poll - #2 Best Album, #5 Best International Band
KERRANG!: Critics Poll – 12th Best Album.
TOTAL GUITAR: #36 - 50 Best Guitar Albums of 2005
CLASSIC ROCK: #5 Best 50 Albums Of 2005
METALEATER: #1 Best Metal album of 2005
METAL TEMPLE MAGAZINE - According to the staff: #2 BEST ALBUM and #1 Opeth + Nevermore BEST BAND (overall)
METALFAN, Hungary: #1 Metalfan top 2005
CMJ Loud rock: # 1 (Most played record of 2005)
BW&BK: Writers - #4
CLOSE-UP: Writers - #2
METAL MANIACS: #1 Metal Maniacs
DECIBEL: #2 Decibel
UNSTRAINED!: #1 Unrestrained!
WSOU: #7, top 89 records of the year - radiostation in Jersey

Opeth are really getting some recognition. :thumb:

Even if it was for Ghost Reveries... Still one of the best metal albums this year.

They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.

Kinda off topic ish, but, see what ya's think...

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[QUOTE=Deth]They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that because that includes like, every genre? They got first place in all the metal competitions and stuff like that. Those don't include rock,rap etc.

[QUOTE=Deth]They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.[/QUOTE]
Extreme prog-metal isn't exactly chart-topping material.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Isn't that because that includes like, every genre? They got first place in all the metal competitions and stuff like that. Those don't include rock,rap etc.[/QUOTE]

Opeth wern't well known at all before Backwater Park, their breakthrough record. Ghost Reveries has surpassed that by [b]far[/b] in terms of sales and exposure. I'd be happy with what they've got this year. They're not massively well known, but most people into Alternative music/Metal should have at least heard of them now. Finally getting recognition, and i'm sure this exposure will get them tons of new fans and sell all their old records too. I love seeing them get recognition from being so overlooked and almost unknown for a long time.

^ I agree with Jude too. Haha.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I find that I can't stop listening to the Deliverance album lately. I dunno what it is...especially the beginning of Master's Apprentices. :eek:[/QUOTE]
I love the start of Wreath. So Heavy! \m/

I've got a guitar store down the road from my house, and every Friday a buncha people hang out there and play and talk about music and stuff. Most of the people there have heard of Opeth, it's cool to have someone outside of MX to talk about 'em with.

NP: The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 (Great song to chill to)

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]I've got a guitar store down the road from my house, and every Friday a buncha people hang out there and play and talk about music and stuff. Most of the people there have heard of Opeth, it's cool to have someone outside of MX to talk about 'em with.

NP: The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 (Great song to chill to)[/QUOTE]


Lucky, where I live everybody listens to rap or country. And the selected few of us have actually heard of Opeth, Nevermore, Emperor, etc. And the others that listen to metal are the freshman that think CoF is the best band next to Slipknot.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick most of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.[/QUOTE]

Since when is Opeth more innovative than Tool? Opeth haven't done anything innovative, or had any progression whatsoever, since Still Life.

Tool, on the other hand, progress with every [i]song[/i], I feel.

They both have very similar writing styles though. Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, then the rest of the song has no structure. And they both enjoy long instrumental sections (Hours of Wealth from Opeth, Ticks and Leeches from Tool). Yeah.

Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick [I]most[/I] of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.[/QUOTE]
How can you say Maynard fails in the vocal control department? Listen to Parabol and come back to me. I'm a vocalist and let me tell you it's quite the acheivement. I think sometimes his tone is annoying but other than that he's pretty good.

Tool are pretty innovative, original, and above all, interesting. I'd say they're a little more interesting than Opeth. Not as epic, but certainly interesting.

However saying that they haven't progressed since Still Life is a little dumb isn't it? I mean GR is probably their most progressive album yet, not with a traditional Opeth sound but definately progressive.

[QUOTE=faith+1]Half the reason I like Tool more is because of the live show. But someone can say they dont like seeing stuff floating and falling and wierd lights and pictures. So whatever.

Saw the video for Grand....Co.....(Limited vocabulary) I totaly wanted that girl to sit on the toilet seat and have the snake enter her pooper :p[/QUOTE]

You're really, really weird. :lol:

[QUOTE=Moses]
However saying that they haven't progressed since Still Life is a little dumb isn't it? I mean GR is probably their most progressive album yet, not with a traditional Opeth sound but definately progressive.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Wilson really brought out the progressive side of Opeth on the Blackwater Park album, and even without him producing GR, the spirit was still there. It was almost more a progressive album than a Death metal record, which is probably why it has sparked so much controversy and criticism among the ranks.

Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.

[QUOTE=Werny]Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.[/QUOTE]


Blackwater Park and Damnation are my favorite Opeth albums.

I enjoy the softer Opeth more. Blackwater Park seemed to have the best balence between heavy and softer.

I really dislike GR...

How do you guys think Opeth will change it up for their next record? What do you think they'll do different?

I think there will be a heavier integration of keyboards and more traditional prog influences on the next album. There's no way to know until then though.

[QUOTE=MrJack]Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.[/QUOTE]
Whoa, a black guy that listens to Opeth?

*h5*

[QUOTE=MrJack]Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.[/QUOTE]

Haha that's awesome :lol:

You hear that complaint a lot from people who are into metal...even when the scene where they are is supposed to be strong.

[QUOTE=Werny]Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.[/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park is a much more advanced album than Still Life, although they are tied for my favorites. Most of the biggest advances were in production and vocal harmony, but BWP also saw the use of odd time signatures (Lepar Affinity, Drapery Falls). Deliverance also pushed that even further, with probably their most progressive song to date (Deliverance).

HOLY CRAP THERE'S AN AGE LIMIT FOR THE OPETH CONCERT!!!!!

It's 12+. :p

I'M GOING TO SEE ****ING OPETH!!!! Provided I get tickets/convince folks.

Nice ;)

My show's on the 28th....I have until then to try to convince people to get off their lazy asses and come to what's going to be one of the best shows this year.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Blackwater Park is a much more advanced album than Still Life, although they are tied for my favorites. Most of the biggest advances were in production and vocal harmony, but BWP also saw the use of odd time signatures (Lepar Affinity, Drapery Falls). Deliverance also pushed that even further, with probably their most progressive song to date (Deliverance).[/QUOTE]
Exactly my perspective. Indeed, I think SL life and BWP are definately Opeth's best albums.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]HOLY CRAP THERE'S AN AGE LIMIT FOR THE OPETH CONCERT!!!!!

It's 12+. :p

I'M GOING TO SEE ****ING OPETH!!!! Provided I get tickets/convince folks.[/QUOTE]
Man, I wish I could see Opeth, but of course, being in NZ doesn't help.

Anyway, I am hopeless on black metal and I'll have to get around to listening to more of it. Would Eternal Soul Torture (bonus track on Morningrise) be considered black metal at all?

EDIT: YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OPETH IS TOURING IN NZ IN APRIL. YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
W00000000000000000TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I cannot believe this. I just took a look on the tour section on their website. Wow... I have never been to a concert before, let alone an Opeth one. Bloody hell, I simply cannot believe my luck.

No, Opeth are not black metal. Check out some Darkthrone, Immortal, or early Emperor.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]No, Opeth are not black metal. Check out some Darkthrone, Immortal, or early Emperor.[/QUOTE]
I know Opeth definitely isn't black metal. I consider them progressive death metal. But I wasn't sure about that one song. After all, it is a bonus track and I thought they might have been experimenting.

The only black metal I've listened to so far is Gorgoroth and bit of new Burzum.

Meanwhile, does anyone know if/when Lopez would be with Opeth on tour in April? I know he was having a few problems.

/listens to orchid for the first time


i LOVE this album!

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]/listens to orchid for the first time


i LOVE this album![/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park is the best.

Mmm, Blackwater Park is my fav Opeth album. I like Morningrise quite a lot as well. I feel Damnation is underrated - a lot of Opeth fans seem to disregard it. It had some pretty nice basswork and drumming.

[QUOTE=rhcp pman]Mmm, Blackwater Park is my fav Opeth album. I like Morningrise quite a lot as well. I feel Damnation is underrated - a lot of Opeth fans seem to disregard it. It had some pretty nice basswork and drumming.[/QUOTE]

Damnation is my second favorite. You can't beat the melodies in it....

I just got Blackwater Park. And its GRRRREAT! Granted, this is only the second album I've heard. <_<....yet.

Blackwater Park is really great but can't compare to Morningrise, MAYH, Deliverance or Still Life