[QUOTE=Britton]So what's going on in the Opeth thread?

any new news[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:

[QUOTE=Cain]But you weren't defending your opinion, you were attacking others for holding and defending theirs. And toaster most certainly did NOT say that [B]Orchid[/B] was crap. If anything, he was making reference to the kind of elitist pricks that WOULD dismiss it as crap, and criticizing THEM. You are suffering from a fundamental misunderstanding of how you feel you are conducting yourself, which is at odds with what other people are percieving, and it's blinding you to how you're truly behaving.

To think that [B]Orchid[/B] is bad is NOT "blasphemy." It is not illegal for a person to say that in the Opeth thread. It is not illegal for someone to criticize old material. If you disagree, you debate and eventually (hopefully) amicably choose to disagree. This is not what you have been doing. You have ordered users to never post in the thread again for a criticism they have said of a revered song of yours, and you have said that they consequently know "nothing about music" for holding it. These are not the ways a debater, who is defending his opinion, conducts himself. Therefore, you cannot say that that's all you've been doing.[/QUOTE]



Read this. If you're an [U]Opeth[/U] fan, you'll understand.

[QUOTE=Originally Posted by toaster135]
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. [B]Orchid [/B]especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.

They probably forget them, too.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't even make sense!
[B]Orchid[/B] doesn't even come [I]close[/I] to gothenburg, wow! Why do talentless people post here? :amaze: Even more amazed, the number of people that support this core.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Did you get my email?[/QUOTE]

Yea I got it

thanks man

[QUOTE=Britton]Yea I got it

thanks man[/QUOTE]


:D Anytime. If you like Death Metal, I'll send you some original underground ears.

Okay that's cool.

I just replied to you're other post too

[QUOTE=Flynn]That doesn't even make sense!
[B]Orchid[/B] doesn't even come [I]close[/I] to gothenburg, wow! Why do talentless people post here? :amaze: Even more amazed, the number of people that support this core.[/QUOTE]

It does so make sense. Clearly he's referencing the idea that the twin-guitar harmonies on Orchid and Morningrise may be considered to be generic, representative of the era in which Opeth came out, and at the very least nothing so special because of how overdone that sound became. I tend to agree, to an extent: I feel as though that the parts themselves are effective, but that on the whole the compositional tightness leaves a lot to be desired: generally it's quite unfocused, the production is bad, the vocals and transitions are amateur and undeveloped.

I repeat: MIKAEL HIMSELF HAS SAID THIS ABOUT THOSE SONGS.

He's not stating his own opinion, not that HE thinks Orchid or Opeth is generic crap. Read his posts on my reviews of Opeth's albums on sputnik. He's clearly an Opeth fan too, and so your criteria for dismissing his opinion is rendered rather moot, since you clearly in the end just being overly elitist.

Your rationale for this behavior doesn't wash, Flynn, because you haven't only treated toaster this way. You've been treating tons of people, some perfectly innocent posters, this way, and for all you know you've driven them away from ever posting in this thread again when their viewpoints could have enriched it. And in the end, you're just flat-out misguided in your thinking, and frankly, I don't really understand it.

Plus, what's with all the edits on the first few pages of the thread from a few days ago?

[QUOTE=Cain]It does so make sense. Clearly he's referencing the idea that the twin-guitar harmonies on Orchid and Morningrise may be considered to be generic, representative of the era in which Opeth came out, and at the very least nothing so special because of how overdone that sound became. I tend to agree, to an extent: I feel as though that the parts themselves are effective, but that on the whole the compositional tightness leaves a lot to be desired: generally it's quite unfocused, the production is bad, the vocals and transitions are amateur and undeveloped.[/QUOTE]

I happen to think [I]Orchid[/I] is legendary, not to mention [I]Morningrise [/I]is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?

[QUOTE=Flynn]I happen to think [I]Orchid[/I] is legendary, not to mention [I]Morningrise [/I]is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?[/QUOTE]

This is what I mean. The first part of that paragraph is great. The second part is pure idiocy. You can't judge a person based on their music choice. I'm sure you wouldn't like people labelling death metal as "just noise for satanists".

[QUOTE=Flynn]I happen to think [I]Orchid[/I] is legendary, not to mention [I]Morningrise [/I]is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?[/QUOTE]

The former. And you don't have to be a musician to be passionate about music.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]This is what I mean. The first part of that paragraph is great. The second part is pure idiocy. You can't judge a person based on their music choice. I'm sure you wouldn't like people labelling death metal as "just noise for satanists".[/QUOTE]


The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?



[QUOTE=Cain]The former. And you don't have to be a musician to be passionate about music.[/QUOTE]

Basically you're saying you don't know anything about music, but you still want to be a critic... that makes sense. I can make a good grilled cheese sandwich, maybe I should become a machinist. Cain, you suck at flaming me. You've been doing this since I started this thread. Ket off my kool-aid.

[QUOTE=Flynn]The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?[/QUOTE]

What does this have to do with anything? Just because it's from a famous musician doesn't make it truth. :rolleyes:


[QUOTE]Basically you're saying you don't know anything about music, but you still want to be a critic... that makes sense. I can make a good grilled cheese sandwich, maybe I should become a machinist. Cain, you suck at flaming me. You've been doing this since I started this thread. Ket off my kool-aid.[/QUOTE]

This makes literally no sense. Just because you don't play music doesn't mean you can't appreciate it and understand its intricacy, or the talent required to create it. To suggest otherwise is pure foolishness.

Secondly, by your standards, I know quite a lot about music, since I play guitar and have a degree of proficiency at it. But that doesn't even matter, really, since I am just as passionate a listener as I am a player. And this just goes to show that making an assumption about someone based on something they say just makes an as[size=2]s[/size] of yourself.

And please do me a favor and show me how I've been "flaming you" since you started the thread.

[QUOTE=Cain]What does this have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]


If you can read, and stop being ignorant, you know exactly what is means.


[QUOTE=Cain]This makes literally no sense. And please do me a favor and show me how I've been "flaming you" since you started the thread.[/QUOTE]



Read the pages, are you that braindead, you can't remember? Go away, you never have anything nice to say on this thread. You're always contradicting someones opinion or arguing about some other band that has nothing to do with Opeth. Go away.

[QUOTE=Flynn]If you can read, and stop being ignorant, you know exactly what is means.

Read the pages, are you that braindead, you can't remember? Go away, you never have anything nice to say on this thread. You're always contradicting someones opinion or arguing about some other band that has nothing to do with Opeth. Go away.[/QUOTE]

See my edits. I'm not going to go away: I'm a huge fan of Opeth and I love discussing them.

My posting history in this thread goes way back before I started disagreeing with you, BTW. And if you're referring to the time that I mentioned Nickelback and you got all confused, it was because the comparison by Route~1 (I believe) that I was responding to originally read something like "Nickeback are more talented than Opeth" and elucidated afterward about how that would be a "wrong" opinion (this was within the first disagreement I had with you over you bashing Roadrunner). But then he ninja-edited it to read something like "killing people is good." This does not mean I spend all my time arguing about some band other than Opeth.

As you can see, I am not braindead, and actually remember the incident quite well. I notice, however, that you were somehow too braindead to remember it yourself and criticize me specifically instead of with vague accusations.

As for contradicting others' opinions: isn't that what discussion is all about? Isn't that the point of the forums? Isn't that the point of the thread? Or is it just to cream all over Orchid and Morningrise over and over again? Somehow, I don't think so. And what, precisely, is it that you have been doing recently in such a negative fashion with regard to Ghost Reveries?

I'm not sure how all this started I've only read the last page...but I have to
say that neither of you are getting anywhere with you're arguments. and You don't to play a instrement to know music.

My girlfriend is incredible with theory and she has never played a instrement

[QUOTE=Flynn]The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?

[/QUOTE]

You used to be a good poster. Now you aren't. I don't get it. And I already said that I liked Opeth. And I explained my presence in this thread.

I'm giving you a day to cool off. If Cain doesn't stop, he'll get a day also.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]NP - When. :cool: I haven't given My Arms....it's due.[/QUOTE]

Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:

We got to the show like half an hour late, only to find out that they hadn't even started letting people in. After waiting in a lineup that wrapped around the block, we finally got in and the show started....an hour late. The opening band (Fireball Ministries) was pretty decent, I'll check out some of their stuff after this.

When Nevermore came on, they made up for Gigantour and then some. This time you could actually hear Warrel Dane, they didn't forget a song, and they weren't confined to a 20 minute set in the corner of the stage. By now, the crowd stopped being nice (luckily I was at the front by then), and everyone pushed forward until we were crammed like sardines. If you lifted your arm, there was no room to put it back down, and you couldn't headbang without hitting the person in front of you. They started with Born, and the crowd went as wild as they could considering the fact that no one could move. I remember Acid Words, Seven Tongues of God, This Godless Endeavor ("...and now we're going to bore the hell out of you with a really long song..."), Enemies of Reality, and some other stuff off their new album that I recognized but can't remember the name.

And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)

He randomly started playing stuff by Lynyrd Skynyrd in between one of the songs, and talking about how much he loved Canadian artists, like Rush...and Celine Dion...(And we actually have her here with us tonight, would everyone please welcome Celine Dion to the stage! *Peter Lindgren steps forward*). And then he got the guy filling in for Martin Lopez to demonstrate some typical death metal beats...the first one actually was something you'd here in death metal, the second one was from a song by AC/DC...heh...and the third one was from Blackwater Park. He got the drummer (Gene?) to repeat it, and told everyone that he was going to teach them how to headbang, (...especially the people who are afraid of ruining their hair and won't move....pansies), and then told us to do that straight for the next 13 minutes, which is about how long Blackwater Park was.
Then, they finished, walked off the stage, and the crowd cheered, and waited for a long, long time. Opeth made us work for our encore, which was Demon of the Fall...all insane chaos broke loose, and the crowd turned into a sea of banging heads...literally a sea, everyone around me was sweating buckets. Afterwards, Mike walked up to the crowd at the end and waved the pick like a bone over dogs, like a foot over where everyone could reach and just watched us all jump with a big smile across his face. Opeth went off stage, for good this time, and we got out of the venue as fast as we could...by then the place had turned in to a sauna and you couldn't breathe. Anyway, it was a wicked show, and I'm definitely gonna see them when they come back in February :D

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]I've read that book..... BUT I feel you're fishing in the wrong pond here. People in this thread are barely willing to discuss Opeth much less discuss Opeth lyrics and compare them to other literature. But if you're going to go for it the realize the burden of creating/facilating discussion is placed on your shoulders, no else will start the process--I can almost guarentee that from personal experience.

Also keep in mind that there may not even be enough people who have read the book to even bother posting about it. A good alternative would be discuss the lyrics of Ghost Reveries by themselves. From what I can tell the lyrics aren't really well written and the story isn't particular gripping this time around.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there was a degree in hesitancy in posting that and trying to bring up literary and lyrical discussion. But I just thought I'd throw it out there just in case, y'know? I retract my former statements.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Seriously, if I was flaming someone, I'd be banned. Period. I'm simply stating my views on different Opeth albums. I don't want to cause drama, read the first page. I just get sick of posters typing ignorance. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. It makes me angry, especially when they put ignorance in the mouths of others. I understand if people come here and state ''FACE OF MELINDA!!'' or '' I LOVE THE LEPPER AFFINITY!! YEAH!'' That's different, but you have to stop defending ignorance. How someone can say Orchid is crap on this thread is blasphemy. And yes, he meant it. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone defending my point of view, my personal opinion is that Orchid is legend. It won't happen again.[/QUOTE]
But this is the thread where you talk about Opeth. Not the thread where you come in and suck the juice out of whatever crevice you may wish. You state your opinion on them... I think you're the ignorant poster, not him.

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:


And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)

[/QUOTE]

:lol: I really want to see Opeth again now. I love Mikael's stage prescence, he's so subdued yet he manages to be hilarious and captivating all the time. Was the show in Canada, or did he just say he liked Canadian music for no reason? I'm glad they still play Demon of the Fall as an encore, too.

My brother is lucky. He going to see them later tonight. Im fairly new to Opeth but still...i wish i could see them.

Does anyone else like the song "Roads" on the Roadrunner United album. I think its a cool song but Mikael should have played the acoustic part instead of type-o's keyboardist.

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:

We got to the show like half an hour late, only to find out that they hadn't even started letting people in. After waiting in a lineup that wrapped around the block, we finally got in and the show started....an hour late. The opening band (Fireball Ministries) was pretty decent, I'll check out some of their stuff after this.

When Nevermore came on, they made up for Gigantour and then some. This time you could actually hear Warrel Dane, they didn't forget a song, and they weren't confined to a 20 minute set in the corner of the stage. By now, the crowd stopped being nice (luckily I was at the front by then), and everyone pushed forward until we were crammed like sardines. If you lifted your arm, there was no room to put it back down, and you couldn't headbang without hitting the person in front of you. They started with Born, and the crowd went as wild as they could considering the fact that no one could move. I remember Acid Words, Seven Tongues of God, This Godless Endeavor ("...and now we're going to bore the hell out of you with a really long song..."), Enemies of Reality, and some other stuff off their new album that I recognized but can't remember the name.

And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)

He randomly started playing stuff by Lynyrd Skynyrd in between one of the songs, and talking about how much he loved Canadian artists, like Rush...and Celine Dion...(And we actually have her here with us tonight, would everyone please welcome Celine Dion to the stage! *Peter Lindgren steps forward*). And then he got the guy filling in for Martin Lopez to demonstrate some typical death metal beats...the first one actually was something you'd here in death metal, the second one was from a song by AC/DC...heh...and the third one was from Blackwater Park. He got the drummer (Gene?) to repeat it, and told everyone that he was going to teach them how to headbang, (...especially the people who are afraid of ruining their hair and won't move....pansies), and then told us to do that straight for the next 13 minutes, which is about how long Blackwater Park was.
Then, they finished, walked off the stage, and the crowd cheered, and waited for a long, long time. Opeth made us work for our encore, which was Demon of the Fall...all insane chaos broke loose, and the crowd turned into a sea of banging heads...literally a sea, everyone around me was sweating buckets. Afterwards, Mike walked up to the crowd at the end and waved the pick like a bone over dogs, like a foot over where everyone could reach and just watched us all jump with a big smile across his face. Opeth went off stage, for good this time, and we got out of the venue as fast as we could...by then the place had turned in to a sauna and you couldn't breathe. Anyway, it was a wicked show, and I'm definitely gonna see them when they come back in February :D[/QUOTE]


It was an awesome awesome show. The Grand Conjuration PWNED live.
"This is a song about Satan. And we all know that everyone loves Satan"

[QUOTE=toaster135]:lol: I really want to see Opeth again now. I love Mikael's stage prescence, he's so subdued yet he manages to be hilarious and captivating all the time. Was the show in Canada, or did he just say he liked Canadian music for no reason? I'm glad they still play Demon of the Fall as an encore, too.[/QUOTE]

'We all know Canadian crowds are the best on this planet' *short pause* 'but you guys didn't show it tonight. Nahh, I'm kidding. You were fantastic'.

-Mikael Akerfeldt

I liked how he kept referring to Demon of the Fall as 'c0ck rock' and 'horny music'.

[QUOTE=ATC]
I liked how he kept referring to Demon of the Fall as 'c0ck rock' and 'horny music'.[/QUOTE]
Well, duh.

Man, this thread suddenly seems a lot less tense. I wonder why :p ?

I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(

EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D

[QUOTE=Cain]I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(

EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D[/QUOTE]

I'm sure no one blames you. I sure appreiciated the backup. Things can easily get out of hand that late at night, the incident would be best forgotten I think.

Honestly, I think you were right in that argument. Hopefully Flynn will cool down a little, because he is one of the biggest fans here.

We all took it too far, let's leave it at that.

Who is Opeth touring with right now?

They played Opeth's 'In My Time Of Need' before Dream Theater on monday, i was like 'oh i love this song, it's opeth!' and then my bf kept talking over it saying opeth were really rubbish live when he saw them at download.

[QUOTE=firecrackercheese]They played Opeth's 'In My Time Of Need' before Dream Theater on monday, i was like 'oh i love this song, it's opeth!' and then my bf kept talking over it saying opeth were really rubbish live when he saw them at download.[/QUOTE]

Yeah a lot of people say Opeth have no live energy.. I think they have loads of energy, just not the standard headbanging type most other modern metal bands have. Opeth are a far better live act when you like their music, if you dislike Opeth's music their live show can seem boring.