Creed!

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[QUOTE=illpressureurhinges1;15602764]I think the only problem is the people who care that they Christian and turn away from the music because of it. Being Christian and saying it doesn't taint the music, the listener's inability to just listen to the music without caring what religion they are is what taints it.[/QUOTE]

No the music just doesn't sound good.

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To Charizard: you don't like Haste the Day? you most have some terrible taste in music :D then again most pokemon fans probably don't like metal[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=413metal;15602966]ATREYU was a damn good band before their newest cd came out[/QUOTE]

:o:o

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15605700]:o:o[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MX]You have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.[/QUOTE]

Sorry dude.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15605638]No the music just doesn't sound good.[/QUOTE]

actually.. I think the only way christian metal differs from regular metal is well.. the lyrics.. and the mood/ atmosphere brought about by the lyrics..

compare it to the baroque music.. when like 99% of music composed at that time was composed for church audiences.. and are hence christian.. therefore when you compare baroque music with other classical music, you generally say that baroque music has a christian feel/ theme to the music and instrumentation.. but when you compare christian baroque to secular baroque.. the only difference is the lyrics..

yeah so x-tian metal sounds different from other forms of music.. but when you compare x-tian metal and secular metal.. the only tangible thing you've got is the lyrics..

[QUOTE=pleetf;15605765]actually.. I think the only way christian metal differs from regular metal is well.. the lyrics.. and the mood/ atmosphere brought about by the lyrics..[/QUOTE]Listen to Secular metal and then say that.
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compare it to the baroque music.. when like 99% of music composed at that time was composed for church audiences.. and are hence christian.. therefore when you compare baroque music with other classical music, you generally say that baroque music has a christian feel/ theme to the music and instrumentation.. but when you compare christian baroque to secular baroque.. the only difference is the lyrics..[/QUOTE]You're making and irrelevant analogy. Baroque music was a set style compositionally. Secular metal and Christian Metal have different ideologies when it come to composition.
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yeah so x-tian metal sounds different from other forms of music.. but when you compare x-tian metal and secular metal.. the only tangible thing you've got is the lyrics..[/QUOTE]Chord progression, harmonies, instrumentation, etc. Then again there is bad secular metal out there too.

You sound like some who learned how to stack a tertian chord and assumes they know music theory because of it.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15605774]Baroque music was a set style compositionally. Secular metal and Christian Metal have different ideologies when it come to composition.
Chord progression, harmonies, instrumentation, etc. [/QUOTE]

what's the difference that significantly sets christian metal apart from secular metal?

but then again we must distinguish between music that has a christian motive in mind and music that is merely influenced by christian beliefs..

[QUOTE=pleetf;15605806]what's the difference that significantly sets christian metal apart from secular metal?[/QUOTE]Secular metal expands past minimalism.

[QUOTE]but then again we must distinguish between music that has a christian motive in mind and music that is merely influenced by christian beliefs..[/QUOTE]

Go ahead and distinguish the difference, there really is just a semantical difference.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15605835]Secular metal expands past minimalism.



Go ahead and distinguish the difference, there really is just a semantical difference.[/QUOTE]

i would hardly consider bands like KSE minimalist tbh.. in fact i find many christian bands much more technical and exhibitionist, if you will, as compared to secular metal bands..

when you compare christian and secualr metal, the vocals used are of an equally wide range, instrumentations are very similar and technically, more often than not, christian metal is even more hxc than secular metal..

well you know i would hardly call Nightwish a christian band even though tuomas incorporates christian values into almost every album he wrote so far.. so yeah.. definition goes beyond the semantical..

[QUOTE=pleetf;15611258]i would hardly consider bands like KSE minimalist tbh.. in fact i find many christian bands much more technical and exhibitionist, if you will, as compared to secular metal bands..[/QUOTE]KSE is pretty minimalist.

[QUOTE]when you compare christian and secualr metal, the vocals used are of an equally wide range, instrumentations are very similar and technically, more often than not, christian metal is even more hxc than secular metal..[/QUOTE]:lol: I'd like some analyzed notation.

[QUOTE]well you know i would hardly call Nightwish a christian band even though tuomas incorporates christian values into almost every album he wrote so far.. so yeah.. definition goes beyond the semantical..[/QUOTE]You can call bands what ever you want but that hardly makes them Christian.



Nice collection of assertion, but you failed to refute my point with a sound argument.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15611276]KSE is pretty minimalist.

:lol: I'd like some analyzed notation.[/QUOTE]

KSE minimalist.. well their transition from theme to theme definitely does not have the intentions of either repetition or smooth transitions in mind.. their instrumentation involves the heavy use of the harmonizing guitar, their vocals contain a good amount of screams and grunts.. how is this minimal?

the reason why i chose baroque music is because it is a time when there is a clear distinction between christian music and secular music.. christian music is simply music intended to be played in church, to church audiences.

Despite being such a rich form of music, definitely richer than metal, the only difference between the christian style and the secular style is still well, the lyrics..

i do not have the luxury of time to search out information for you, but take this list of JS Bach cantatas [url]http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/catal/bacjs/corrbwvz.html[/url] split into christian cantatas at the top of the page and secular cantatas at the bottom of the page.. if you bother to search out the scores, there are no differences between them at all other than the lyrics (or in some cases, just the TITLE).. the chord progressions, extensive use of ornaments, use of counterpoints, they are all exactly the same..

i'm sorry i dont think i can use metal to illustrate it as well as this but i hope you can understand nevertheless..

PS: Actually why is baroque music a "fixed style"? to say that baroque music is just "music with heavy use of ornamentation and running bass lines and counterpoints" is like saying metal is "music with very loud guitars and crazy drumming"


[QUOTE=guitrguy;15611276]You can call bands what ever you want but that hardly makes them Christian. [/QUOTE]

precisely my point dude.. there is a difference between bands that have the intent of performing to a christian audience and bands that are merely influenced by christian themes.. therefore of course a band like nightwish is not a christian band..

[QUOTE=pleetf;15611443]KSE minimalist.. well their transition from theme to theme definitely does not have the intentions of either repetition or smooth transitions in mind.. their instrumentation involves the heavy use of the harmonizing guitar, their vocals contain a good amount of screams and grunts.. how is this minimal?[/QUOTE] Harmony is the point of having a band, form what I have heard of them, they rarely use complex chord structure let alone complex chord progression.

[QUOTE]the reason why i chose baroque music is because it is a time when there is a clear distinction between christian music and secular music.. christian music is simply music intended to be played in church, to church audiences.[/QUOTE]Its still not an apt analogy because of the church's role in society at the time, nor is it metal.

[QUOTE]Despite being such a rich form of music, definitely richer than metal, the only difference between the christian style and the secular style is still well, the lyrics..[/QUOTE]Lyrics not make a

[QUOTE]i do not have the luxury of time to search out information for you, but take this list of JS Bach cantatas [url]http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/catal/bacjs/corrbwvz.html[/url] split into christian cantatas at the top of the page and secular cantatas at the bottom of the page.. if you bother to search out the scores, there are no differences between them at all other than the lyrics (or in some cases, just the TITLE).. the chord progressions, extensive use of ornaments, use of counterpoints, they are all exactly the same..[/QUOTE]Again this is not an apt analogy. I know how Bach wrote. Btw Extensive ornamentation is a characteristic of the Baroque period.

[QUOTE]i'm sorry i dont think i can use metal to illustrate it as well as this but i hope you can understand nevertheless..

PS: Actually why is baroque music a "fixed style"? to say that baroque music is just "music with heavy use of ornamentation and running bass lines and counterpoints" is like saying metal is "music with very loud guitars and crazy drumming"[/QUOTE]
Its was result of the mentality of music composition during that era.


[QUOTE]precisely my point dude.. there is a difference between bands that have the intent of performing to a christian audience and bands that are merely influenced by christian themes.. therefore of course a band like nightwish is not a christian band..[/QUOTE]Having morality and singing about Jesus are too different things.

Over 10 years ago there was a huge difference between Christian and non-Christian music. Christian music was years behind (and still is in many genres). It seems that it finally caught up, but at the same time, non-Christian music seemed to digress a bit to meet it somewhere in the middle. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad.

Nowadays it seems like it just depends on what lyrical content you want to listen to (at least in the heavier genres). I personally hate it when a band pushes for converts (Christian or not), or when their lyrics are written from a cultural bubble and not relevant to the real lives of their audiences. But, many prfessed Christian bands don't do that. A lot have made it all a personal thing to them, that they generally keep to themselves except for the inspiration behind their songs. The general lysical and message a band pushes usually determines what audience will listen - at least if they're overly blatant about what they believe.

[QUOTE=pleetf;15611258]i would hardly consider bands like KSE minimalist tbh.. in fact i find many christian bands much more technical and exhibitionist, if you will, as compared to secular metal bands...[/QUOTE]

I can play some Killswitch songs on guitar, and I'm not a guitarist.

Listen to Killswitch, then listen to Prayer For Cleansing. Same style, but well, the "secular" band is [B]a lot[/B] more complex.

[QUOTE=dick suck mayhem;15612122]I can play some Killswitch songs on guitar, and I'm not a guitarist.

Listen to Killswitch, then listen to Prayer For Cleansing. Same style, but well, the "secular" band is [B]a lot[/B] more complex.[/QUOTE]

Fact: The band's message in their lyrics does not affect their musical talent in this case.

There are some Christian bands that own some secular bands and vice versa.

I'm a Christian.
I listen to a lot of Christian bands.

My favorite band is Between the Buried and Me.
They are not Christian.

The Chariot is a Christian band.
I may think Between the Buried and Me owns them, but I think The Chariot owns a specific non-Christian band (coughdropdeadgorgeouscough).

I was making fun of him for saying that Christian metal is more complex. :lol:

Fittingly enough, Prayer For Cleansing members formed BTBAM.

[size=1]Ok, I'm a devoted Christian....but I must say...
A lot of Christian stuff is NOT AT ALL more complex....ha!
BTBAM is freakin' RIDICULOUS!!!
That is music right there....they are sooooo technical....my goodness
Becoming the Archetype is a Christian metal band....(who cares about the technicalities of if it's metalcore or progressive metal)
and they still aren't even as technical as some of these bands....
like Trivium (old) and stuff like that...

I have yet to see an AMAZING Christian band....

Chariot ain't got jack on anybody haha....sorry to those who love The Chariot

and death metal these days is ridiculously, insanely, dull.....
the only thing that makes them (for me) is the skull-splitting breakdowns and some vocal content......
Impending Doom is pretty tight with that...although a lot of people dislike it....
and they're Christian....
At the Throne of Judgement is insane too....
and they're Christian....
...I can't stand JFAC now.....they suck, bad....

but All Shall Perish is awesome and they're not Christian....
Through the Eyes of the Dead...and they're not...

Death metal seems to be the place where ,Christian or not, it's all the same....[/size]

JFAC went from being Christian band to atheism at the drop of a dime it seems.

And kicking out Andrew Arcurio probably has something to do with how bland the new stuff is.

[size=1]I do not think JFAC was a Christian band to begin with......
They were getting smashed before shows even when they had Elliot as their drummer....
but John "The Charn" Rice or whatever his name is.....
...he's quite an amazing drummer haha

Yeah, but if Despised Icon was Christian, that'd be awesome!!! [/size]

now we're discussing if bands were christian they would be awesome....

hmm well then how do you explain christian music proliferating into all the metalcore subgenres..

unless, of course, they call themselves metalcore because they want ppl to think they are more technical when they stink ***..

[QUOTE=DJTeeLay;15614658]My favorite band is Between the Buried and Me.
They are not Christian.[/QUOTE]

Sure they are. I mean it doesn't necessarily expose itself in their music but oh man they are. Always have been, well, most of them -- and I'm considering their revolving door line-up.

Kevin Falk had a Christian prog/tech side project fffs

[QUOTE=Shameful Essence;15615243][size=1]I do not think JFAC was a Christian band to begin with......
They were getting smashed before shows even when they had Elliot as their drummer....
but John "The Charn" Rice or whatever his name is.....
...he's quite an amazing drummer haha[/quote]
Nah, JFAC definitely started as a Christian band, listen to the lyrics on their demo ffs.

And I'm in a Christian deathcore band, and we get drunk all the time. With Faith Or Flames guitarist posts here, and he's drunk all the time (same for the rest of the band).

[quote]Yeah, but if Despised Icon was Christian, that'd be awesome!!! [/size][/QUOTE]
lol

alcohol isn't christian dude

/blood of christ

Hmmm Christian deathcore, eh?

I WONDER, IF SHE WAS TOO DEAD TO CARE
IF I TASTED THE BLOOD OF CHRIST
HER HEART WAS WEAK AND FRAIL
I'M DROWNING IN THE BLOOD OF CHRI[font=verdana]ST[/font]
[QUOTE=guitrguy;15617429]Hmmm Christian deathcore, eh?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.myspace.com/ofthedyingbreed[/url]

[size=1]Just because people see a Christian sounding surface doesn't mean you're Christian at all.....
Slipknot, Blink 182, and ICP are bands off of the top of my head that have said something that seemed to sound Christian and people are all like, "Dood, they're Christians!!!"

In a way, it's not the lyrics at all that make you a Christian whatever band...it's the way you live your so-called-Christian life....
the way you portray your living for Christ....
People misrepresent Christianity for what it really is all the time, because they see other "Christians" drinking and stuff.....cussing........doing whatever behind closed doors...
Then they're like, "Oh! Well, they're Christians and they drink....so it's fine"
Personally, I find no point in drinking

Yeah...I was a huge fan of JFAC....
and I think they suck, majorly now....
Going from deathcore to death metal was a bad idea for them....(or whatever they ended up changing....I hate technical classifications of bands)
.....and the vocalist does not shut up....he's always rambling on about something in Genesis......gosh

BTW, that's some pretty tight music you guys are makin' (Of the Dying Breed)
I wanna hear some more -_^[/size]

ICP, Christian?

[size=1]Yeah, tell me about it!
As soon as I heard that, I was like, "Dood, I gotta check this out, cause it doesn't sound right at all"....[/size]

[url]http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=101523[/url]

Read, JFAC started out as a Christian metalcore band.