[QUOTE=illmitch;18241893]men don't have shit to do with the act of giving birth and pregnancy though. sure men can have some input, but abortion is ultimately a women's issue.[/QUOTE]

oh okay misunderstood you nvm then.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241893]men don't have shit to do with the act of giving birth and pregnancy though.[/quote]
Oh really? Could've sworn men impregnate women.

[quote] sure men can have some input, but abortion is ultimately a women's issue.[/quote]
How so? Men spread their seed, it's human instinct.


[quote]and

are you seriously getting into a semantic argument[/quote]
Yes, because it's misleading and draws in a lot of dumb people who are easily swayed.

[quote]okay let's scratch the "liberal" moniker, i'm left-wing, i generally support the economic policies of the democratic party.[/QUOTE]
I now hate you. :p

[QUOTE]It's never an easier option, but sometimes mate it's unfortunately the easiest and best option.[/QUOTE]

backed hard

i just figure i wouldn't like it if some girl told me what i could do or not do with my own body or well being. cant really justify telling them that they couldn't do something with theirs.

Relationships require input from both parties. The whole attitude that children are a women's issue only these days are exactly what has perpetuated so many social issues in lower-class communities in America.
[QUOTE=2muchket!;18241898]I agree wholeheartedly, girls who use abortion as some sort of final birth control knock me sick.

It's never an easier option, but sometimes mate it's unfortunately the easiest and best option.[/QUOTE]

Easiest, maybe, best, I completely disagree. I think anyone taking another's life for any reason is abhorrent, except maybe in self defense, but the idea of taking someone's life before they're even given a chance to have one is fucking disturbing to me.

man this shit got heated mad quick

EDIT @ nick: hahaha srsly

Cyclical Arguments and the Burden of Proof (A Headache Inducing Community Thread)

everyone's beliefs are so interesting

the best form of birth control is to not have sex at all. of course, thats not the easiest, as we all have urges, so the [I]easiest[/I] would be a condom.

if you were to moderate the two it would probably be a barrier method combined with a spermicide during and birth control pills afterwards.

bulldog you could be a middle school health teacher

pleeeeeeease no politics discussion ever here

agreed!

Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong!

mappy you know when babies are aborted they're just a bundle of cells, right?

they can't say mamma or daddy[I] quite[/I] yet

idc just get rid of it

lol

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241906] the idea of taking someone's life before they're even given a chance to have one is fucking disturbing to me.[/QUOTE]

you don't understand what you are saying on a fundamental level

these things do not have life nor the right to life because we only have the right to what we are given. every time i nut into a condom that's a potential life i "took." i took that gamete's life before it was given a chance to have one

it's a fucking lump of flesh, it is not a person and it is unwanted. it has no right to life and it has no longing for life nor sorrow for it's loss. you are projecting imagined emotion suffering unto it and that is all

That's not always the case. There's a distinction between a developed fetus and a bundle of cells, obviously.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241919]Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong![/QUOTE]

stop it bro

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241919]Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong![/QUOTE]

yea mappy brings up a good point we're all basing our arguments on the precedent that a fetus, no matter how developed, constitutes a life. when talking about these matters we have to factor in that key variable to make a legitimate case, because one mandated policy regarding abortion, no matter the circumstance, is stupid.

what about embryos

[QUOTE=GottaPost;18241925]you don't understand what you are saying on a fundamental level

these things do not have life nor the right to life because we only have the right to what we are given. every time i nut into a condom that's a potential life i took. i took that gamete's life before it was given a chance to have one

it's a fucking lump of flesh, it is not a person and it is unwanted. it has no right to life and it has no longing for life nor sorrow for it's loss. you are projecting suffering unto it and that is all[/QUOTE]

telling the cold hard truth. :chug:

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241919]Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong![/QUOTE]

at the point at which they are aborted they aren't though

it's something that doesn't sit easy with me mappy, but as harsh as it may seem a child being into this world from crack head parents or through rape doesn't deserve the life they're going to have

Unfrotunately, later term abortions still happen and there are tons of people who support this.
[QUOTE=GottaPost;18241925]you don't understand what you are saying on a fundamental level[/quote]
Your argument is completely flawed based on this assumption.

[QUOTE=limonade;18241930]what about embryos[/QUOTE]

theyre for porn.

[QUOTE]it's a fucking lump of flesh, it is not a person and it is unwanted. it has no right to life and it has no longing for life nor sorrow for it's loss. you are projecting suffering unto it and that is all[/QUOTE]

this

[QUOTE=Deth;18241927]stop it bro[/QUOTE]

No, that's the stupidest fucking assertation based on a half-baked assumption I have ever read on this forum.

lol whered mitch go? he sparked up this thing and he just kinda left.

but in a nutshell - i agree with roe v wade

I'm all for early term abortions.

lol you guys telling me to go to pnwi

I MEANT LATTER TERM ABORTIONS, EXCUSE ME MASTERS OF LOGIC.

i will never assume things are implied ever again, for fear of pretentious responses from noobs.