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sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 08:50 PM

Dylan > Guthrie > Ochs > Bragg > Lightfoot > Graham > Seeger

Brain Toad 01-28-2006 08:53 PM

I like Ochs more than Dylan. Guthrie I don't compare to either.

AIRIC 01-28-2006 08:59 PM

Dylan > Ochs. Better song writing even though Dylan sounds like he has downs.

Brain Toad 01-28-2006 09:01 PM

Dylan may have been a better songwriter, but his voice grates on me really fast.

And Ochs dabble in electric was better than Dylan's

sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]Dylan may have been a better songwriter, but his voice grates on me really fast.

And Ochs dabble in electric was better than Dylan's[/QUOTE]
Dylan didn't dabble, he went into it full-blown and created some of the greatest and most beautiful songs of the 20th century. (Stuck Inside A Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again, Visions of Johanna, Like a Rolling Stone, Subterranean Homesick Blues etc)

I agree Dylan's voice is an acquired taste but Ochs occasionally sounds slightly too self-satisfied and self-conscious to me while Dylan was clearly self-conscious he manages to hide it better I think.

Brain Toad 01-28-2006 09:08 PM

[quote=sketchyjoe]Dylan didn't dabble, he went into it full-blown and created some of the greatest and most beautiful songs of the 20th century. (Stuck Inside A Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again, Visions of Johanna etc)

I agree Dylan's voice is an acquired taste but Ochs occasionally sounds slightly too self-satisfied and self-conscious to me while Dylan was clearly self-conscious he manages to hide it better I think.[/quote]

I was expecting flammage.

Ochs' electric was basically just a "I'm tired of being political, I want to cover Elvis and Buddy Holly for awhile in a gold suit" so I found it quite funny.

AIRIC 01-28-2006 09:11 PM

I find your face quite funny.

sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 09:14 PM

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]I was expecting flammage.

Ochs' electric was basically just a "I'm tired of being political, I want to cover Elvis and Buddy Holly for awhile in a gold suit" so I found it quite funny.[/QUOTE]
I'll only flame the "DYLAN SUX LOL" idiots. Dylan's electric period was "I'm tired of politics, I want to write druggy surreal anthems to bitterness, love, loss and everything in the world"

Unban Me Says Cameo 01-28-2006 09:20 PM

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]Dylan > Ochs. Better song writing even though Dylan sounds like he has downs.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Dylan had conceded on multiple occassions that he would never, ever, get to be as good as Mr. Ochs.

Unban Me Says Cameo 01-28-2006 09:22 PM

And while we're on it:

Guthrie > Dylan > Ochs > Leadbelly > Lightfoot = Seeger = Bragg

But if we wanna go back to blues, like where Leadbelly came from, man, you could go on FOREVER.

AIRIC 01-28-2006 09:22 PM

Yeah but I think Dylan is better and you know... I'm the Emperor. :)


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Brain Toad 01-28-2006 09:34 PM

I don't think Ochs got the popularity he really deserved. He should've been as popular as Dylan. A joint effort between them would've been awesome.

sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 09:41 PM

[QUOTE=Unban Me Says Cameo]And while we're on it:

Guthrie > Dylan > Ochs > Leadbelly > Lightfoot = Seeger = Bragg

But if we wanna go back to blues, like where Leadbelly came from, man, you could go on FOREVER.[/QUOTE]
Oh crap. I forgot Leadbelly.

If we're talking blues (see what I did there?) then I'm a Robert Johnson man myself but I like a bit of Odetta, Skip James, Blind Willie McTell, Mississippi Sheiks and Sleepy John Estes.

Bluesmen have the coolest names.

AIRIC 01-28-2006 09:45 PM

Corrina, Corrina just came on my iPod. Dylan writes the best love songs because they're not sappy and so punk.

sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 09:50 PM

Corrina, Corrina is probably my least favourire on Freewheelin' maybe because it's a traditional song.

Dylan writes twisted love songs that are either bitter, or funny or melancholy so that half the time you're not sure if they're love songs or not. eg I Want You, Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands, You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go, Visions of Johanna, Just Like A Woman, Love Minus Zero/No Limit.

Though some are more conventional eg Lay Lady Lay.

Brain Toad 01-28-2006 09:52 PM

[quote=sketchyjoe]Oh crap. I forgot Leadbelly.

If we're talking blues (see what I did there?) then I'm a Robert Johnson man myself but I like a bit of Odetta, Skip James, Blind Willie McTell, Mississippi Sheiks and Sleepy John Estes.

Bluesmen have the coolest names.[/quote]
I like Robert Johnson a lot. Especially when I found out his song Sweet Home Chicago isn't actually about Chicago, IL but Port Chicago, CA which is a tiny old port town about 15 minutes from me. It's famous for a big explosion that happened there during WWII and caused a mutiny.

AIRIC 01-28-2006 09:53 PM

I have Freewheelin' and Blonde on Blonde and I'm not sure if this is his blues or folk or rock or wahtever era?

sketchyjoe 01-28-2006 10:00 PM

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]I have Freewheelin' and Blonde on Blonde and I'm not sure if this is his blues or folk or rock or wahtever era?[/QUOTE]
Blonde on Blonde is pure thin wild mercury sound. It's the last album in the 'electric trilogy' before his motorcycle crash and he went back to his folk and country balladry roots.



You shouldn't definitely get Highway 61 Revisited, Bringin' It All Back Home and Blood on the Tracks too as a minimum.

Skidmark Steve 01-29-2006 12:21 AM

I got an IPOD today! SCORE!

Glitterati 01-29-2006 01:44 AM

I basically agree with everything Joe said about the folk recommendations, and I'd throw in Neil Young, and older country like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson, which was closely tied with folk. Also, for modern folk, try Elliott Smith and Sufjan Stevens.

Special Brew 01-29-2006 01:53 AM

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]Older folk:
Bob Dylan (if you don't listen to him you don't deserve to have ears) [url=http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring01/Blake/]Some mp3s[/url]
Woody Guthrie
Gordon Lightfoot
Phil Ochs
Pete Seeger
Davy Graham

Anti-Folk:
Billy Bragg [url=http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Billy%20Bragg]Music here.[/url]

Newer folk/folk-punk:
Evan Greer [url=http://www.riotfolk.revolt.org/member_music.php?id=12]Music here[/url] (Get The Ballad of the Last Six Months of my Life first.)
Johnny Hobo & the Freight Trains [url=http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Johnny%20Hobo%20and%20the%20Freight%20Trains]Music here[/url]
Ghost Mice [url=http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Ghost%20Mice]Music here.[/url]
Captain Chaos
Mischief Brew [url=http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Mischief%20Brew]Music here.[/url]
Bread and Roses [url=http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Bread%20and%20Roses]Music here[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm just now going through this list, but holy crap I love that Evan Greer song.

AndreTheHyena 01-29-2006 02:37 AM

[QUOTE=Lazybassplr56]Anyone here listen to folk. I just started listening to Devendra Banhart and I'm hooked. Any more good folk acts?[/QUOTE]

Everyone here is going to just suggest folk-punk stuff, but if you want more stuff like Banhart, check out M. Ward, the Mountain Goats, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, Biirdie, Neutral Milk Hotel, the Decemberists, etc...

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]Dylan writes the best love songs because they're not sappy and so punk.[/QUOTE]

Buckets of Rain++

Brain Toad 01-29-2006 02:49 AM

[quote=EightMilesHigh]I basically agree with everything Joe said about the folk recommendations, and I'd throw in Neil Young, and older country like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson, which was closely tied with folk. Also, for modern country, try Elliott Smith and Sufjan Stevens.[/quote]

I hate Sufjan Stevens. He is boring and overrated.

Mannik 01-29-2006 02:59 AM

[QUOTE=Wizard.]I'm just now going through this list, but holy crap I love that Evan Greer song.[/QUOTE]

123, it's amazing. I love his apoplectic style of strumming.

AndreTheHyena 01-29-2006 03:14 AM

[QUOTE=EightMilesHigh]Also, for modern [b]country[/b], try Elliott Smith and Sufjan Stevens.[/QUOTE]

Wha...?

sketchyjoe 01-29-2006 07:24 AM

I think [url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439059]this thread[/url] is one of the worst we've ever had.

Particularly considering the title was originally "Where The Tabs At?????????????
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Bukowski 01-29-2006 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]I hate Sufjan Stevens. He is boring and overrated.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya' man. Indie kids cream their pants over him though.

sketchyjoe 01-29-2006 07:31 AM

Indie kids cream their pants over anything that Pitchfork/NME promotes as the next big thing.

Rise Me Up 01-29-2006 09:30 AM

Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny

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sketchyjoe 01-29-2006 10:16 AM

That's pretty cool. Who drew it?


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