see ya jaco jr and yeah i have read animal farm its a really good read actualy, highly recomend it

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]The war in Iraw is stupid. Why? There is no reason for it. Obviously, the "war" was actually for the US to control the oil. If it was truly because of September 11, the war would be against Terrorism ( as Bush says the war was :rolleyes: ), not just against Iraq. Not to mention, Israel and Korea actually have weapons, yet the US hasn't declared war against them. To me, it is either because:

1) Everyone would hate Bush

2) They get nothing out of it, thus, supporting my "theory" on the Iraq thing

3) Fear.

Either way, my post yet again made no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
as you say, the war was about oil. the main downfall of the Capitalist society is that it is wholly reliant upon oil and other such commodities and the governments direct control over this. that is the ONLY reason why the US and UK wanted Sad**** Hussein removed, because he compromised their control over the oil

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't know. If people weren't rewarded for doing things, they wouldn't be able to follow hobbies that were not considered "useful."

For example, music...music is generally for pleasure more than anything else. It doesn't make crops grow or make food get manufactured.

You know what I hate about what we now call democracy (which is actually closer to capitalism, if anything)?

Yet again, Men ruing everything. People nowadays are voting for the political franchise, not the da[size=1][/size]mn person running for it. In my eyes, that is the only reason why Bush won.

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]as you say, the war was about oil. the main downfall of the Capitalist society is that it is wholly reliant upon oil and other such commodities and the governments direct control over this. that is the ONLY reason why the US and UK wanted Sad**** Hussein removed, because he compromised their control over the oil[/QUOTE]

Hydrogen fuel cells for the winnar.

[QUOTE=Foxfire]Well, I don't know. If people weren't rewarded for doing things, they wouldn't be able to follow hobbies that were not considered "useful."

For example, music...music is generally for pleasure more than anything else. It doesn't make crops grow or make food get manufactured.[/QUOTE]

Very true :thumb: i would add something to this debate but well, you know, i'm lazy...

I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, [B]althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/B][/QUOTE]
i had this exact same conversation with a uni friend
the oucome of which was that each human should have the absic human right of access to sustinance. not food, necessarily, but nutrion packs that keep them alive but aren't necessarily tasty
and other such boring ideas

Bush - the countdown begins.
3.5 years left.

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, [B]althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thus, greed begins, or so I think.

[QUOTE=jaco jr]nope
is it any good
i also recommend you read Devil's Party
its about charlatan messiahs
quite interesting actually[/QUOTE]

It's excellent, but oddly short.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.[/QUOTE]
India have so many nuclear warheads they can't control them or maintain them properly yet noone seems to give a rats a[SIZE=2]ss[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.[/QUOTE]
That guy is insane, he has an obsession with Daffy Duck and American films (he has 20,000 in his room!)

Thank the CIA for that useful piece of information :rolleyes:

I think India would be a mess too, as many of you Brits know. Ghandi is dead though, so maybe not. I think Bush is just being lazy now, and he doesn't want to deal with any more wars.

Seriously, I'm scared that the Korean guy will just decide to blow everyone else up sometime.

ok, one thing i don't understand about this 'war on terror' is why hasn't Bush of Blair targetted ETA or the IRA and gone to war with them or shot them in the streets like dogs?
i makes me truly sick!

oh well i better go, see you guys around

I'm so not following this thread tonight :lol:

Seeing as he admits he had nuclear bombs, it seems to me that, although he may be a bit of a loon, he actually doesn't want to start trouble. He did say he only made them for self-defense purposes...

Of course, like I said, I do know nothing.

[QUOTE=neal_672]I'm so not following this thread tonight :lol:[/QUOTE]
just pretend that ur intelligent and waffle using long words, its survived me through 3 years of university and 2 years of A Levels :thumb:

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]ok, one thing i don't understand about this 'war on terror' is why hasn't Bush of Blair targetted ETA or the IRA and gone to war with them or shot them in the streets like dogs?
i makes me truly sick![/QUOTE]
It's obvious; he says the war is against terrorism, but he only uses that as a coverup to invade Iraq and get oil. He doesn't do anything else because he gets no benefit from it, not to mention the economy might get even worse, and he's already done enough...

It's not that i don't understand, it's just that it's all moving fast :lol:

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]It's obvious; he says the war is against terrorism, but he only uses that as a coverup to invade Iraq and get oil. He doesn't do anything else because he gets no benefit from it, not to mention the economy might get even worse, and he's already done enough...[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]It's obvious; he says the war is against terrorism, but he only uses that as a coverup to invade Iraq and get oil. He doesn't do anything else because he gets no benefit from it, not to mention the economy might get even worse, and he's already done enough...[/QUOTE]
i know, but the fact that the people swallow this bulls[SIZE=2]hit[/SIZE] and don't question is truly sickening

Politics tend to bore me, I'll be back soon/in a while.




Gav for president in 2008!

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]i know, but the fact that the people swallow this bulls[SIZE=2]hit[/SIZE] and don't question is truly sickening[/QUOTE]

Like I said, it's not because they believe him, it's because they are too ignorant to vote on the "other" political party. People nowadays are voting for the party and NOT for the person actually running for it. This is the big flaw on demcocracy, but, just as the case with communism, it's actually men's fault.

Incredible how we can see the logic yet most people can't...

Who says the majority of Americans don't question it?


Odd fact: Bush has never won the popular vote in a presidential election.

He'll probably start saying that the Iraqis decided to 'give' him oil in thanks for invading and destroying their country.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]Who says the majority of Americans don't question it?


Odd fact: Bush has never won the popular vote in a presidential election.[/QUOTE]
sadly, i'm more ignorant of the US election system than i'd like. do u have a Propotional Representation of First Past The Post system?!

and, quite frankly, not enough people question him, its a truly sad inditement of the modern society: "if it doesn't harm me i don't give a da[SIZE=2]mn[/SIZE]"

The stupid thing is that by invading Iraq for oil, he made OPEC mad, which only drove up gas prices.

Am i the only one that finds it incredibly sad that 70% of Britons don;t know what VE day is?

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]Who says the majority of Americans don't question it?


Odd fact: Bush has never won the popular vote in a presidential election.[/QUOTE]

Pardon my english, but what do you mean on that last bit?

[QUOTE=neal_672]Am i the only one that finds it incredibly sad that 70% of Britons don;t know what VE day is?[/QUOTE]
What does VE stand for? Pardon my english and lack of knowledge...

You think you guys have it bad on gas? Ours costs about twice as much as yours!

[QUOTE=neal_672]Am i the only one that finds it incredibly sad that 70% of Britons don;t know what VE day is?[/QUOTE]
i heard a rumour that a high proportion of Americans couldn't point out their own country on a map but that might just be utter rubbish

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]What does VE stand for? Pardon my english and lack of knowledge...[/QUOTE]
Victory in Europe day. its when we celibrate the end of the war

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]sadly, i'm more ignorant of the US election system than i'd like. do u have a Propotional Representation of First Past The Post system?!

and, quite frankly, not enough people don't question him, its a truly sad inditement of the modern society: "if it doesn't harm me i don't give a da[SIZE=2]mn[/SIZE]"[/QUOTE]
Say what?

We have what is called an electoral college. Each state gets a certain number of voters that is equal to the number of representatives in Congress. The people in each state vote, and whoever wins the popular vote within that state gets all of it's electoral college votes (or it may be by individual precincts, I'm not sure there).

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]What does VE stand for? Pardon my english and lack of knowledge...[/QUOTE]

I can forgive you for that one Radio in that it doesn;t affect your country at all :thumb:

Now I feel stupid, seeing as in spanish it's "Victoria en Europa", so the initials are the same.

Oh, my last post explained the other thing you asked about Jorge.