[QUOTE=badmoon349]me = the who[/QUOTE]

me = hendrix

[QUOTE=AdžDÇ]at my school everyone likes ac/dc for there music not because there "vintage" or "hip"[/QUOTE]

i would like it if anyone at my school liked any classic rock for any reason

[QUOTE=Perverted Pixie Nudist Colony]me = hendrix[/QUOTE]

I wonder if he knew what that meant when Badmoon said it.

I'd say, depending on how this one goes, the next debate should be Cream vs. The Doors.

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]I wonder if he knew what that meant when Badmoon said it.[/QUOTE]

Well as he states he is only keepin' it real :lol:

[QUOTE=i am miik]I'd say, depending on how this one goes, the next debate should be Cream vs. The Doors.[/QUOTE]


i was hoping for grateful dead vs. allmans

but whatever works

Yeah that was another one we were thinking about, but I was just trying something different.

I think the doors vs cream is a very good idea. It's weird debating though, because sometimes you must say things you don't beleive. (unless you're going to be like lunch)

Good idea^

[QUOTE=Livewired]Good idea^[/QUOTE]
the doors vs cream or saying stuff you don't beleive?

Miick join!!!

I am willing to say the Doors are the first real "rock" band and also the absolute greatest band that has ever has walked the "Earth". Cream I throw up on you.

That was Fun

cream and the doors would be a good debate, but I see i'll need to argue for cream if we start it up again.

[QUOTE=RockAndRoll]I think the doors vs cream is a very good idea. It's weird debating though, because sometimes you must say things you don't beleive. (unless you're going to be like lunch)[/QUOTE]

Yea I had to cheat. I couldn't say that much against Zeppelin without standing up for them alittle bit.

[QUOTE=lunch998]Yea I had to cheat. I couldn't say that much against Zeppelin without standing up for them alittle bit.[/QUOTE]
meh, I don't agree that the who is better in all aspects, but that's what I argued. *will win at an any cost* :p

next debate should definitely be Allmans vs. the Grateful Dead. The Cream/Doors debate didn't work at all. (Maybe due to the fact that no one was on my side,but probably because the bands don't have anything in common.)

^Delete your post untill I get this sorted out.

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Stonefree1313: This is our planning room?
badmoon349: no
bass over all: all of this is making me dazed and confused
badmoon349: the debate room
badmoon349: I'll start
badmoon349: I believe The Who has influenced music to a much great degree than Zeppelin has
DARKsideOFtheLED: Zeppelin started the wave of heavy metal that hit the 80's in full storm. And that heavy metal influenced nu-metal and so on...
Smoothmb2: sorry to do this, but what side am I on? I want the who
badmoon349: change your text color, and fine you could be Zepp
RevelManBand: I disagree I think other bands such as Sabbath, Hendrix, Deep Purple and such influenced rock enough that metal would have developped regardless of zeppelin.
lunch998: The Who was to an extent one of the first hard rock bands, which was an influence to Zeppelin
Stonefree1313: True The Who did
badmoon349: probably little though
lunch998: Keith Moon was even responsible for Zeppelins name
lunch998: Keith Moon was one of John Bonhams 2 biggest influence(the other being Ginger Baker)
badmoon349: I beleive The Who has had an extremely large role in the formation of Punk. Through bands like MC5, The Sex Pistols, ect...
badmoon349: lets get some discussion zepp defenders
Stonefree1313: But Zeppelin took the influence from the Who and used it to be one of the most diverse and most influential rock group evr
Smoothmb2: The Who took there influences and made something completely new, whereas Zeppelin just remade what there influences already did
badmoon349: I believe The Who reigned in Bass and rythm influence
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok new topic
DARKsideOFtheLED: you guys pwned us in influence
badmoon349: no, you haven't even said a word
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
badmoon349: Zepp fans have to rise up
RevelManBand: ya, zepp say something! or i'll have to swicth sides
lunch998: im ready to for a second
Stonefree1313: I hate to say this but the poser kids were introduced to Zep because their fav bands named Zep as the main influence
Stonefree1313: whereas the Who are not mention to the near extent zep was
RevelManBand: Zeppelin had a much larger influence, this is seen by the fact that they are more popular than the who (despite the who's success).
lunch998: switch to skill....?
Stonefree1313: yeah
DARKsideOFtheLED: roger
Stonefree1313: who starts ?
lunch998: I think The Who is definitely at least as skilled as zeppelin
badmoon349: i believe the whos skill is almost as even as Zeps, but
badmoon349: The Who takes it by like an inch
lunch998: yea
badmoon349: ...
lunch998: Keith Moon and Bonham are pretty much regarded as the twi gods of classic rock drumming
lunch998: Entwhistle is better than JPJ even though Jones is very good
Stonefree1313: The Who are great songwriters but Zep takes the cake for there instrument and vocals
Stonefree1313: Bonham>Moon
DARKsideOFtheLED: John Paul Jones was more of a diverse player than Entwhistle
Stonefree1313: Plant>Dalhtery
DARKsideOFtheLED: Such as playing mandolin, keys, organ, and bass
lunch998: Roger Daltrey is overlooked as a great frontman
badmoon349: I think Moon's drumming is highley original and his work with the toms is unstopable
bass over all: you guys keep takin words out of my mouth. i cant type fast enough
lunch998: Daltry and Plant are parallels in my eyes
Stonefree1313: ENTWHISTLE>JONES
lunch998: Plant gets more credit
RevelManBand: John entwhistle was a more skilled bassist though with songs such as my generation fast fingers.
badmoon349: Plant can take it for range, but he can't belt notes. He is not a power vocalist, which is what Zep needed
bass over all: Daltrey is good, but Plant's vocal range is phenomenal
badmoon349: There is no use comparing Entwistle to Jones, Entwistle is far superior in skill
lunch998: Entwhislte and Townshend also could do backup or even lead vocals, and write great songs
Stonefree1313: an he is better at harmonica
DARKsideOFtheLED: lets compare each member at a time
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
DARKsideOFtheLED: Plant vs Daltrey
badmoon349: Daltrey
Stonefree1313: page>townshend
lunch998: Plant has the range, but daltrey really has the power
DARKsideOFtheLED: Plant had a much higher range than daltrey
DARKsideOFtheLED: I'd say they're equal
lunch998: Daltrey could sing well live too
DARKsideOFtheLED: they both succeded where one failed
badmoon349: Page is a better guitarist, but Townshend is a rythm guitarist
DARKsideOFtheLED: kind of
lunch998: Plant is all over the place on HTWWW
bass over all: Townsend isnt eben close to page
badmoon349: Page is sloppy as hell
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok Page vs Townsend go
badmoon349: Townsend isn't a lead player, he leaves that to Moon
RevelManBand: page is sloppy,
DARKsideOFtheLED: Page had more talent but during live shows he was VERY sloppy
bass over all: Page's technical abiliy far excedes Townsends
Stonefree1313: townshend doenst solo enough
badmoon349: atleast that's what shown
Smoothmb2: Page's sloppiness wasn't bad, it was his style
Stonefree1313: or even do fills hardly
badmoon349: Exactly, he doesn't show much soloing
Smoothmb2: Hendrix was sloppy too
lunch998: Townsend is a simple guitarist usually, he does what is very important to the music
DARKsideOFtheLED: Thats true
badmoon349: Hendrix adapted to his sloppiness perfectly though
badmoon349: he had a muting skill
lunch998: but just guitar playing id say Page>Townsend
badmoon349: sure
RevelManBand: Townsend was also more broad based i think with all the work he did for the who
DARKsideOFtheLED: Hey are we discussing hendrix or page and townsed
Stonefree1313: yes
badmoon349: its a point ***
badmoon349: I beleive The Who takes it
DARKsideOFtheLED: - an ***
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
lunch998: so far Daltry=Plant
lunch998: Page>Townsend
lunch998: Entwhistle>JPJ
badmoon349: Wait
DARKsideOFtheLED: Bonham vs Moon
Stonefree1313: bonham>moon
badmoon349: look at it this way
Smoothmb2: moon=bohnam
DARKsideOFtheLED: moon and bonham are equal
lunch998: Keith Moon and Bonham are uncomparable
lunch998: their styles are so different
bass over all: Ive never heard anything better than moby dick
badmoon349: Townsend is a rythm player, why is he compared to a lead
DARKsideOFtheLED: because we can't really compare him to JPJ
badmoon349: they're both rythm players
lunch998: Yea but if the other 3 members of the who stopped playing, you would have this amazing wall of sound coming from moon that would equal a solo
Smoothmb2: But Bohnam could do that too
Stonefree1313: easily
Smoothmb2: so if you add that to the other 3, it's better than what the who had
badmoon349: Led Zeppelin's loose cannon is JPJ,
lunch998: yea im just saying that just because keith moon didnt have a "solo" doesnt mean he didnt have that ability
badmoon349: that's where I believe they lose it
lunch998: explain that
badmoon349: Have you heard Keith's small solo in Won't get Fooled Again
DARKsideOFtheLED: JPJ was the last element of Led Zeppelin that made it Led Zeppelin
lunch998: its not that much of a solo
DARKsideOFtheLED: he was so diverse in his range of musical instruments
bass over all: Have you heard the lemon song
badmoon349: JPJ lacks musical skill
Stonefree1313: it wouldnt be the same without him
badmoon349: I'm not saying he's bad
bass over all: You couldnt be more wrong
Smoothmb2: How about stage presence?
Stonefree1313: no he doesnt
Smoothmb2: I'd say equal
lunch998: musical skill.....?
badmoon349: He just simply doesn't compare talent wise
lunch998: badmoon you lost me even on this one
lunch998: as a bass player he couldnt compare
lunch998: musically JPJ was great
lunch998: who grew up a piano player
lunch998: he*
badmoon349: Well, Townsend played piano well
RevelManBand: JPJ has musical skill, but Entwhistle is a more proficient bassist
badmoon349: Entwistle played french horn well
bass over all: He arranged music for tons of different musicians
badmoon349: Daltrey played harmonica well
DARKsideOFtheLED: So did Plant
Stonefree1313: plant played it better
badmoon349: Why aren't we adding points to them
lunch998: you cant gang up Daltry, Entwhistle and Townsend against JPJ
bass over all: JPJ's keyboad playin was great
lunch998: he was originally a keyboard player
RevelManBand: Daltery is better than PLant at harmonica
badmoon349: But JPJ is only comparable because he is okay with a few other instruments
lunch998: true
Stonefree1313: no plant is better at harmonica
badmoon349: If we look at it that way, The Who probably wins by a mile
bass over all: Hes not just okay listen to some of the songs he plays keyboard on
DARKsideOFtheLED: Trampled Underfoot
DARKsideOFtheLED: perfect example
bass over all: exactly
Stonefree1313: when the levee breaks bringit on home great examples of harmonica
lunch998: JPJ keyboard playing>The whos keyboard playing
badmoon349: Listen to "Overture" hear Entwistle's french horn skillls
lunch998: and Whisky Man
badmoon349: It's like where giving Zeppelin a chance to catch up.
lunch998: from A Quick One
Stonefree1313: yeah but it is french
RevelManBand: The who had better songwriting in that they had more variety

Stonefree1313: therefore being bad
Smoothmb2: I think Zeppelin had much better song compisition. The who seemed to have more a pop rock approach to songwriting as far as compisition goes, although they obviously weren't. Zeppelins song were like symphonies, with long breaks
Smoothmb2: and the way they built up
DARKsideOFtheLED: the way they built up was amazing
RevelManBand: have you heard tommy?
DARKsideOFtheLED: stairway (cliche'd but its a perfect example)
badmoon349: Listen to Tommy, they even give you Overtures/undertures. The Who fall to no formula
Smoothmb2: Thats why Stair is considered one of the greatest songs ever
Smoothmb2: Stairway
lunch998: Tommy>Any single Zeppelin Cd
RevelManBand: they make great use of more than just your regular rock band instruments
Stonefree1313: yes
lunch998: i hate to say it
lunch998: Stairway is overrated
DARKsideOFtheLED: it is
Smoothmb2: No, its' not
DARKsideOFtheLED: only because thats the only song that the Trend Followers know
Stonefree1313: overrated but still very good
bass over all: Its been made into a joke by posers
lunch998: (Zeppelin guys, point out Achilles Last Stand)
badmoon349: look aside from others' views
Stonefree1313: zeppelin also had catchier riffs
RevelManBand: Lyrically The who were better, neither are the best but the who still had better
Smoothmb2: flat out better riffs
lunch998: Tommy in general has a catchy riff
Stonefree1313: yeah
Stonefree1313: no
bass over all: Yeah, musical skill and complexity isnt everything if isnt catchy noone will like it
DARKsideOFtheLED: thats true
DARKsideOFtheLED: achilles last stand
Smoothmb2: Zeppelin had better lyrics
DARKsideOFtheLED: how could i forget that
Smoothmb2: they were almost an extension of the music
DARKsideOFtheLED: a 10 minute long masterpiece
RevelManBand: zeppelin did not have vetter lyrics, listen to their first album
lunch998: Achilles Last Stand is the most amazing thing ever made into a song
badmoon349: The Who where not afraid to completely change themselves, which Zeppelin didn't do
Stonefree1313: yeah they tried a new approach to every album
lunch998: The Who changed into a hard rock band after Zeppelin came on the scene
bass over all: ITTOD, zeppelin totally changed from their normal style
RevelManBand: The who had catchy riffs in their early stuff but they weren't afraid to change themselves
badmoon349: Not anything really risky
badmoon349: The Who were hard rock since a Quick One
Smoothmb2: I think Zeppelin changed as the 80s approached
Smoothmb2: less physcadelic
badmoon349: The Who, were the first hard rock band
lunch998: Zeppelin 3 was risky, and it was considered a flop
DARKsideOFtheLED: zeppelin 3 was considered a flop because it wasn't anything like the first 2 zeppelin ablums
lunch998: no one else played anything like whats on Houses of the Holy
DARKsideOFtheLED: they actually recorded that in the woods i believe
Smoothmb2: then look what they did with 4
RevelManBand: who are you for lunch?
badmoon349: The similarities aren't huge
DARKsideOFtheLED: 3 was more of an acousticy feel
DARKsideOFtheLED: and 4 was more of an electrical folk tale
lunch998: im switching back and forth
Smoothmb2: Zeppelin did have the greatest acoustic songs
RevelManBand: then switch your font too
lunch998: oh yea sorry
RevelManBand: no problem
badmoon349: The Who go from Pop Rock, to Hard Rock, to Opra Rock, to even some techno influence
RevelManBand: don't forget Mod
badmoon349: yea
lunch998: Yea each of the Whos albums sound really different
bass over all: Yeah, the rain song and over the hills and far away are untouchable
Smoothmb2: goin to california
badmoon349: compared to what
lunch998: Tommy to Whos next in 2 years?
DARKsideOFtheLED: Over the Hills and Far Away is another good example for buildup
lunch998: those are very differnet

RevelManBand: the who perfected the use of multiple instruments
Stonefree1313: SAME WITH ZEP
RevelManBand: and thier movie was far superior to zeppelins
Smoothmb2: If you listen to the beggining of a zeppelin song and the end of a zeppelin song, you wouldnt even think they were the same song, but it all fits together so well. Thats how well they build up
badmoon349: The Who are the experimental Rock group
RevelManBand: no they did not, not in the way the who did, they used more than just typical rock instruments
lunch998: Zeppelin never had a great double album either
lunch998: Physical graffiti is great
lunch998: but some of the songs on the second side dont cut it
Stonefree1313: Like what
lunch998: i dont care much for In the light
lunch998: or black county woman
Stonefree1313: it is good
badmoon349: The Who AREN'T thieves
Stonefree1313: Uhhhhh
Stonefree1313: The best Zep was Origanil
badmoon349: sure, but...
lunch998: lets stick to arguing about the music soundwise, not if it was stolen
RevelManBand: and they have good acoustic songs aswell behind blue eyes, drowned, so sad bout us....
badmoon349: okay
Stonefree1313: same with Zeppelin
lunch998: oh and down by the seaside sucks
bass over all: Not as good as zeppelin's
Stonefree1313: Bron-yr-aur,Going to California
lunch998: boogie with stu is nothing special
bass over all: Both tremendous songs
Stonefree1313: Gallow's Pole
Stonefree1313: Friends
DARKsideOFtheLED: Bron-y-Aur stomp is also good
badmoon349: I believe The Who really made Rock, Rock. Not a genre that you get when you mix two genres
DARKsideOFtheLED: the way robert dedicated it to his dog
bass over all: Babe in=m gonna leave you
Stonefree1313: the best^
Stonefree1313: you cant beat it
lunch998: Zeppelin did have some great acoustic songs, which were important because its a switch from their "Heavy metal" style
RevelManBand: they did have good acoustic song but so did the who
Stonefree1313: yeah they are so diverse
RevelManBand: not as diverse as the who
lunch998: Tommy has a lot of acoustic guitar and its amazing
lunch998: Tommy by itself would make the Who gods of rock
Stonefree1313: Blues,Acoustic,Heavy,Soft,
badmoon349: I when I think The Who, i think amazement. When I think of what other think about Zep, I think, "Rock out"
lunch998: The Who deserves points for developing an amazing rock opera, something zeppelin didnt do
Smoothmb2: I think zeppelin did it
badmoon349: The Who's influence from all of their work, is like this,.
Smoothmb2: but it was more of a symphony than an opera
lunch998: what was Zeppelin symphony?
badmoon349: The Who>Punk>Harcore>Grunge
DARKsideOFtheLED: The Orchastra version
DARKsideOFtheLED: of zeppelin
Stonefree1313: listen to Kashmir
lunch998: thats not a rock opera
lunch998: its still just a song
Smoothmb2: dazed and confised
DARKsideOFtheLED: Smoothmb2: but it was more of a symphony than an opera
RevelManBand: that's not rock opera
DARKsideOFtheLED: it was a symphony
lunch998: theres not a whole ablum developed around a story
Smoothmb2: Not a literal symphony
badmoon349: The Who, really made Tommy a symphony, when Qudrophenia is more of a Rock Opera
Smoothmb2: just the way they composed songs
Stonefree1313: Townshend has Child Porn
RevelManBand: ya well the who did both
RevelManBand: keep stupid things out of this debate
badmoon349: He was looking for a chilfrens charity to donate to.
badmoon349: children's*
DARKsideOFtheLED: Kashmir - The Symphonic Led Zeppelin
DARKsideOFtheLED: is the ablum title
RevelManBand: ?
DARKsideOFtheLED: its a symphony
DARKsideOFtheLED: that played led zeppelin songs
lunch998: symphony doesnt mean there is any relation between songs
DARKsideOFtheLED: well thats true
Stonefree1313: the Who also doesnt know when to quit
lunch998: how so?
Stonefree1313: Years and Years of Farewell tours
RevelManBand: they're still playing great, i have live recordings in the last years.
badmoon349: Who cares, they've been reborn
lunch998: yea where as Zeppelin is holding out on millions of fans
Stonefree1313: they've lost 2 members
Smoothmb2: It's good Zeppelin stopped
DARKsideOFtheLED: Zeppelin knew their time had come when Bonham died
Stonefree1313: how can they be implaceble if they can get the same sound without them
lunch998: im not saying they should have continued after bonham died
Smoothmb2: do you want them to do what Skynryd did? just keep continuing no matter what the line up is?
lunch998: they should go a reunion toor now though
RevelManBand: this isn't really relevant
DARKsideOFtheLED: Zeppelin knew it would be an insult to Bonham if they played without someone else other than him backing him
lunch998: I know
lunch998: im glad they stopped after he died
badmoon349: Bonham's a selfesh bastard then
Stonefree1313: not just disrespecting there members by continuing the band
lunch998: what???
lunch998: he ****ing died
badmoon349: and it's sad
lunch998: when he died its not like he told the band to stop playing
lunch998: the band decided to do it
Stonefree1313: The Who are just Money Whores
badmoon349: "Zeppelin knew it would be an insult to Bonham"
lunch998: there was nothing selfish about bonham dying and the band deciding not to go on
badmoon349: The Who, money whores
Stonefree1313: yeah
badmoon349: Your comparing them to Zeppelin.
lunch998: Zeppelin is the ultimate money whore
RevelManBand: hahaha good point
badmoon349: ONE BIG ****ING GIMMICK
Smoothmb2: This is killin me. I'm not a die hard fan of either band, although I give Zep the edge. Gimme a call when the Allmans come up
lunch998: thats not even a topic to discuss
badmoon349: k
RevelManBand: want to get back to something relevant?
lunch998: yea
Stonefree1313: Zeppelin didnt want this to happen
Stonefree1313: it just did
lunch998: im still confused about how Bonham is selfish
Stonefree1313: yeah
RevelManBand: it's not now lets get on with this
Stonefree1313: Explain
lunch998: he never said the band shouldnt play if he died
badmoon349: Well, Zeppelin could cry to Pink Floyd about it
Stonefree1313: why
Stonefree1313: I dont understand

Smoothmb2: Floyds singer died
Stonefree1313: no
lunch998: Barret?
DARKsideOFtheLED: he went coo koo
Smoothmb2: or went crazy i mean
Smoothmb2: same thing
lunch998: yea i heard he was still alive
badmoon349: Here, if Led Zeppelin considered it an insult to Bonham to keep touring, they must of thought he wouldn't want them to continue. Or they wouldn't mind.
Smoothmb2: left the badn
Smoothmb2: band
Smoothmb2: but imagine zeppelin without plant
Stonefree1313: i cant
DARKsideOFtheLED: they were all a key part of the band
lunch998: Maybe Zeppelin didnt want to continue after Bonham died because its not like you can go out and get another bonham
DARKsideOFtheLED: they couldn't continue at all if one of the members died
lunch998: the music wouldnt be the same, it wouldnt be as good
badmoon349: So was Garcia, but they're still tourin'
Stonefree1313: but not in the Who's case
lunch998: you cant replace something like that sometimes
lunch998: maybe Zeppelin was such a tight-knit band that they knew they couldnt replace bonhams sound
Stonefree1313: still touring after 2 dead members
Stonefree1313: and you seem to believe that they have the same sound
lunch998: its more of a sign of respect than showing that bonham was selfish
Smoothmb2 has left the room.
lunch998: maybe bonham wanted to the band to continue whether he was dead or not
badmoon349: then they should have
badmoon349: Of course we won't know, so neither of us should be judging
lunch998: ok then thats page,pland, and jones fault, not bonhams
bass over all: they didnt know what he wanted cuz he was DEAD
badmoon349: I'm not saying he was
Stonefree1313: RocknotRolls on
lunch998: dont call bonham selfish if you dont know how he felt about the situation
badmoon349: I'm saying in reference to Malcolms post
DARKsideOFtheLED: it was a matter of respect to the afterlife
lunch998: ok lets get off this
DARKsideOFtheLED: remember how involved page was with the occult
badmoon349: ++ gimmick
lunch998: theres nothing there to discuss really
lunch998: what about live?
lunch998: who do you think was better?
Stonefree1313: Zepp
badmoon349: The Who take it
lunch998: explain
badmoon349: They were a ****ing wall of well composed sound
wow a tree22 has entered the room.
Stonefree1313: what
badmoon349: each member had more life in them than 1000000 kids with ADD put together
badmoon349: except Entwistle
lunch998: Pete townsend said himself that each of their albums was really trying to get the same sound in the studio as the had live
badmoon349: of course
lunch998: the who were a live based band
Stonefree1313: Bonham and Moon were great drummers live
RevelManBand: the who takes zep live, they were just one of the craziest, best live bands ever
RevelManBand: crazy antics, watch the kids are alright
wow a tree22: Bonham had tons of life in him, slamming the drums and all that
lunch998: my dad saw the who live, he said it was phenomenal
wow a tree22: he was much louder than moon
Stonefree1313: Drinking Bourban on stage
RevelManBand: the who = loudest band
badmoon349: Keith Moon passed out on stage once
lunch998: the Who - destroying all the equiment
lunch998: keith moon had better stage antics
lunch998: he threw his sticks in the middle of songs
DARKsideOFtheLED: its not like bonham didn't wreck his drums after moby dick
lunch998: stood up while he was playing
badmoon349: Get live at the Isle of Wight
RevelManBand: he didn't do it like moon did
lunch998: i have that DVd
badmoon349: Watch Won't Get Fooled Again
DARKsideOFtheLED: Moon blew his up with explosives
RevelManBand: the who would almost kill people if you went on stage
badmoon349: and especially watch Townshend
Stonefree1313: agreed
Stonefree1313: the Who take it

Rockandroll use talk on here since your Aim is messed up.

By the way good job Badmoon.

lunch998: thats not on the isle of wight i have
badmoon349: The Who gave up Townshend's **** hearing
wow a tree22: who says being crazy and dangerous makes them better? What about an all around better sound. Zeppelin had that
badmoon349: ****, I'm think of Kids are alright
lunch998: the isle of wight dvd i have is in 69 or 70 i believe before whos next
lunch998: yea
lunch998: i said before the Plant tends to sing off key sometimes live
wow a tree22: Townhend never went into a 10 minute insane guitar solo
wow a tree22: townsend*
lunch998: if by insane you mean play a few notes with a bow
DARKsideOFtheLED: he played the bow not very long
badmoon349: People don't just go see a band for anttics, they go because of the tunes. So, The Who of course had them.
lunch998: yea its got to be 3 or 4 minutes
DARKsideOFtheLED: but have you heard the solo from Heartbreaker on HTWWW
wow a tree22: The live solo for dazed and confuses is head and shoulders above anything that townhead ever did
wow a tree22: and heartbreaker
lunch998: ok the solo from heartbreaker owns
lunch998: townshend wasnt a solo guitarist though
Stonefree1313: which people dont want
Stonefree1313: they want solos
lunch998: so saying jimmy page is better than him at soloing isnt saying much
badmoon349: No, he was all energy
bass over all: White summer on the DVD is 110x better than anything townsend could even think about doing
lunch998: but i agree about the hearbreaker
badmoon349: No, people don't wnt fun/a show/ energy
lunch998: townshend had the windmill with his loud *** chords
lunch998: thats sheer energy
lunch998: The who probably had more energy live
RevelManBand: stop saying page was a better soloist and therefore more amazing. Townshen is more like Fripp in that he's not about solo's but nonetheless an amazing guitarist
RevelManBand: they definitely had more energy lvie
badmoon349: yeah
lunch998: Entwhislte and JPJ both didnt do much
Stonefree1313: soloing adds to being a better guitarist
lunch998: Pete has so much more energy than Page though
Stonefree1313: so do riffs and page owend townshend at both of them
lunch998: Pages solos were pretty kickass
lunch998: Pete has more stage prescense
wow a tree22: Townshend didn;t do many guitar solos. And the ones he did do, page's were better
badmoon349: No one wants to see Plant's homosexual on stage antics
Stonefree1313: what
RevelManBand: guitar solo's aren't everything
lunch998: homephobe
wow a tree22: Plant is entertaining
badmoon349: **** the gays
badmoon349: hahaha
lunch998: yea even I'm attracted to him, and i consider myself pretty straight
DARKsideOFtheLED: ...
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok that was weird lunch
RevelManBand: fripp is an amzingly amazing guitarist but no one listen to king crimson for the guitar solos
lunch998: haha
wow a tree22: And he wasn't gay, he got tons of women
lunch998: i was joking
lunch998: he was married
wow a tree22: yeah, he had kinds and all
wow a tree22: kids*
lunch998: Zeppelin overcame more problems
RevelManBand: how so?
lunch998: Plants car crash
lunch998: that set them back for awhile
DARKsideOFtheLED: and the death of his kid
badmoon349: Yeah, what the hell is a gay guy doing married :lol:
DARKsideOFtheLED: Karac
lunch998: Plants son died
Stonefree1313: yeah
badmoon349: Zeppelin? More Problems? Get outta here
Stonefree1313: how so
lunch998: they both had drummers that died
lunch998: im talking about big scale tragic problems
badmoon349: Townshend = Neverous breakdown/Child Porn
badmoon349: The Who = Breakup
wow a tree22: I think that the overall quality of zeppelin's albums are better. Take each bands's first albums. The who's was rough and unpolished. Zeppelin self titled is a masterpiece

badmoon349: Keith Moon - Ran over driver/dead
badmoon349: Entwistle - Dead
badmoon349: The Who - fans killed at show
Stonefree1313: thats horrible
wow a tree22: Fans were only killed when rushing madly to get good seats
badmoon349: So
RevelManBand: they didn't do it though they didn't even know until after the show
lunch998: there were plenty of riots at zeppelin shows
RevelManBand: it's still something to get over
wow a tree22: it's not like they were homicides
badmoon349: that's still a tradgedy
wow a tree22: sp*
wow a tree22: yeah
lunch998: when plant broke his foot/leg that was a huge problem
wow a tree22: Zeppelni at a point reached close to a beatles live show mentality.
badmoon349: shut up
badmoon349: broken foot, lol
lunch998: Zeppelin had all this momentum going and they were in their prime
lunch998: and that ruined it all
Stonefree1313: yeah
lunch998: the beatles played for like 25 minutes and took a break
lunch998: and had an opening act
DARKsideOFtheLED: When Jimmy broke his ring finger they couldn't play certain songs on their setlists
wow a tree22: page broke his hand, and played the a whole show perfectly with a light cast on
badmoon349: That's not a tradgedy
wow a tree22: or, finger
badmoon349: It's not a huge problem
DARKsideOFtheLED: but...stil.....
lunch998: George Harrison himself said he was amazed there was no warmup act or break in Led Zeppelin shows
RevelManBand: wow, the vocalist can still sing with a broken finger whoopdeedoo
badmoon349: hahah
DARKsideOFtheLED: ...
DARKsideOFtheLED: page doesn't sing.
lunch998: he played guitar
wow a tree22: indeed he did
RevelManBand: oh sorry i thought you said plant
DARKsideOFtheLED: lol
DARKsideOFtheLED: its called "READING"
RevelManBand: stupid both being p names
DARKsideOFtheLED:
lunch998: yea we all make mistakes
wow a tree22:
lunch998: keep the donkeys in the other chat
Stonefree1313: this is tense
DARKsideOFtheLED: i think rock has some sort of weird obsessions with donkeys
wow a tree22: sorry
lunch998: back on topic
lunch998: The who live at leeds - one of the best live albums ever
RevelManBand: in terms of live shows the whoe were definitely better, pete got out there and he made sure it got done right
badmoon349: no doubt
lunch998: The deluxe edition>HTWWW
Stonefree1313: HTWWW also
lunch998: no way
lunch998: the whole tommy album played live
lunch998: amazing
Stonefree1313: my mom saw Tommy
DARKsideOFtheLED: Dazed and Confused and Whole Lotta Love on HTWWW, its basically all of them improving
lunch998: HTWWW is great but its not as good
wow a tree22: Yep
wow a tree22: and heartbreaker
lunch998: my generation - 15 minutes
lunch998: the who could do that too
wow a tree22: it was late i ntheir carrer, after all of the drugs
DARKsideOFtheLED: Dazed and Confused - 22 minutes
lunch998: oh sorry im supposed to be bold
lunch998: im not saying its as long
DARKsideOFtheLED: Moby Dick - 18 mins
Blksabbathfwb28 has left the room.
lunch998: dazed and confused has down time in it to
DARKsideOFtheLED: Whole Lotta Love - 25
Stonefree1313: w00t
lunch998: i dont like hearing the random bow noises
badmoon349: Who cares about time
Stonefree1313: I do
lunch998: and sheer length doesnt mean the musics better
badmoon349: it's not like they're jam bands
wow a tree22: the bow noises were great
Stonefree1313: Floyd wasnt either
lunch998: ok you listen to that and i'll take amazing journey
wow a tree22: they added to the mood of the song, like pink floyd does
Stonefree1313: Echoes owns

lunch998: Who and Zeppelin
Stonefree1313: its long and it adds to it
Stonefree1313: oh yeah
lunch998: And another thing about HTWWW and the Zep dvd
lunch998: who cares about hearing the acoustic songs live
wow a tree22: The who had barely any psychedelic elements of their show, zeppelin had 20 minute masterpieces
DARKsideOFtheLED: the acoustic songs were great
DARKsideOFtheLED: on the dvd
lunch998: theres not that much you can add to going to california
lunch998: i like them but i dont need to watch it
badmoon349: The Who weren't psychedelic
RevelManBand: zep didn't have nearas much energy live
badmoon349: they were originally mods
badmoon349: tthey valued power and rythm
RevelManBand: exactly
DARKsideOFtheLED: new topic i thinks...
lunch998: how many other bands had the lead instrument be drums?
wow a tree22: zeppelin had hardrock, blues, folk and psychedelic elements to their albums. The Who were just rockers
Stonefree1313: yeah
Stonefree1313: more diverse
badmoon349: The Who has Blues, Rythm, Folk, opera, ect...
wow a tree22: soem acoustic stuff that' good but nothing too diverse
RevelManBand: no, orchestra rock, mod, blues rock, hard rock, folk
wow a tree22: like opera once
RevelManBand: nothing to diverse?
badmoon349: pop
badmoon349: Operca twice
badmoon349: opera*
wow a tree22: or twice, The Who never used as many instruments either
lunch998: compare A Quick One to Whos Next
lunch998: thats pretty different if you ask me
wow a tree22: Check out Gallows poll, JPJ rocks the mandoli and the banjo
badmoon349: The Who used a much greater variety of instruments
wow a tree22: mandolin*
Stonefree1313: no
lunch998: I think Zeppelin might have them as far as instruments
badmoon349: French Horn, Trombone, sythn, ect...
RevelManBand: the who use many instruments, synth, french horn, piano, that thing in come together i forget what it's called
lunch998: Zeppelin goes from Out On the Tiles to Gallows Pole on one album
lunch998: metal to acoustic folk with banjos/mandolins
badmoon349: Should I be impressed
Stonefree1313: yes
badmoon349: JPJ is a crap banjoist
wow a tree22: He;s decent
badmoon349: no
wow a tree22: :-(
lunch998: you dont have to be impressed
Stonefree1313: yes
badmoon349: yes to what
lunch998: but maybe give an argument back instead of just saying that JPJ sucks
wow a tree22: The banjo was to merely add to the effect of the song, it's not like he uses it a lot
badmoon349: I said he sucks at bajo
badmoon349: banjo*
Stonefree1313: And add effect it did
badmoon349: okay
RevelManBand: so, you act as though tommy doesn't exist
RevelManBand: they used other instruments too
badmoon349: He plucks the strings in an 8th rate manner and obviously shows no skills in the banjo area
badmoon349: happy?
lunch998: touche
Stonefree1313: he ver used the banjo much
wow a tree22: Everything mentioned about the who's diversity so far has been about Tommy, fine, one masterpiece, what about the rest of their songs?
Stonefree1313: never*
badmoon349: Which makes me wonder, why did he start
RevelManBand: listen to squeeze box, then won't get fooled again

Stonefree1313: to add effect
RevelManBand: then magic bus
badmoon349: Quadrophenia, Who's Next, A Quick One, all masterpieces
wow a tree22: Stairway to heaven can match tommy as far as masterpieces go
lunch998: Tommy is 23 songs
badmoon349: hahaha, no
Stonefree1313: 1,2,4,HOTH,PH
lunch998: stairway is one
Stonefree1313: masterpeices
lunch998: tommy is 75 minutes of great thematic music
lunch998: stairway is 8
lunch998: dont compare tommy to stairway
wow a tree22: Houses of the holy doesn't have any bad songs, the who has at least 3 boring =, uninteresting songs on each album
badmoon349: on
badmoon349: i love all of Tommy and Quadrophenia
wow a tree22: I do too...
Stonefree1313: 2 doesnt either
Stonefree1313: I love that album
RevelManBand: then your point is ruined tree
RevelManBand: woops
lunch998: dancing days isnt great
wow a tree22: i'm just saying, zeppelin had far more top quality songs than the who
lunch998: i really dont like d'yer maker
Stonefree1313: Dancing Days is great
lunch998: and the crunge is fun, but not a great song
Stonefree1313: Its funky
wow a tree22: d'yer maker it great, the lyrics might be a little lame but it's a godo listen
lunch998: yea i enjoy it but its not something that i look for on a great album
Stonefree1313: D'yer Maker is also just a fun song
wow a tree22: yep, it's a less serious song
badmoon349: I also believe Plant's solo stuff suck, but it's irrelevanyt
lunch998: ok me and badmoon are thinking a band switch might be good
wow a tree22: can't have all The Rain Song's and No Quarters an an album
lunch998: so its either Dead vs. The Allmans or Cream vs. the Doors
bass over all: a band switch is needed
Stonefree1313: cream and Doors
lunch998: the rain song is boring
lunch998: i think its overrated
badmoon349: Dead vs. allmans
Stonefree1313: Rain Song is awesome
bass over all: cream vs. doors
wow a tree22: Aww come on, when the mellowtron comes in to an already brilliant guitar part, that's jsut pro
lunch998: no quarter is amazing though
bass over all: You cant put the rain song down
Stonefree1313: they both are
wow a tree22: we're done with zeppelin vs the who are we not?
lunch998: no quarter is one of those songs that makes an album good
bass over all: yea
lunch998: we are
lunch998: so for Cream vs. doors has 2 votes
Stonefree1313: I want The Doors
wow a tree22: I say onto almans vs the dead
badmoon349: officially donw now

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Thanks so far :)

Yeah, with long threads, they are long convos.