the progressive Vintersorg stuff is absolutely hilarious. Folk side isn't too bad though.

I love the melodic vocals. Same with Myrkgrav, actually.


[QUOTE=Ghoul Hustler;16123396][B]the progressive Vintersorg stuff is absolutely hilarious.[/B] Folk side isn't too bad though.[/QUOTE]

This haha.

[QUOTE=pate;16123389]Vintersorg's vocals are elite.[/QUOTE]
I just can't get into them it sounds like he tries too hard.

No one can beat Fenriz's melodic vocals \m/ ( >_> )

Might have something to do with how ridiculous Norwegian accents sound to begin with

scoobin loobin fjroodin

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;16123419]scoobin loobin fjroodin[/QUOTE]

"I love sausage festival!"

Who Doesn't!?

Aww man, I missed out on some elite gay fantasy elf talk. :(

[QUOTE=The Gates Of Heaven;16123239]Didn't you used to be one of the Eleventeen types? Why change now?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what you mean.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=nEVzwNlrLVE[/url]


blackened grind, but ffs his facial expressions are just hilarious.

Watchmaker ****ing rules.

[url]http://blogs.allocine.fr/blogsdatas/mdata/2/4/2/Z20060506224858560806242/img/legolas16.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16123414]Might have something to do with how ridiculous Norwegian accents sound to begin with[/QUOTE]

Vintersorg =/= Norwegian

[QUOTE=pate;16123533]Vintersorg =/= Norwegian[/QUOTE]

Oh my bad

'Vinter' and 'sorg' are both cognates in Norwegian

Swedish accents are equally ridiculous, so the point essentially holds up iaf

In an interview with WITTR

[I][B]You have been labelled somewhat as “hippies” and some might say that playing black metal and those sorts of liberal earth loving ethics might be diametrically in opposition. How do you feel about that? I mean it is obvious you don’t think they are self-exclusionary.[/B][/I]



Hippies? You mean like navel-gazing aficionados of the grateful dead? I hardly think so. I think that most people are so disconnected from a natural existence that anyone who doesn’t see the joy in playing “first person shooters” or dining regularly at pizza hut is a hippie. Frankly, I don’t have much interest in the opinions of urban lay-abouts. Also, it must be noted that radical environmentalism is very much a part of the tradition of the radical right. Even rabidly anti-Semitic NSBM has a strong ecological sensibility, following the Nazi’s explicit and well documented interest in preserving a pastoral, pre-modern Aryan utopia. At the same time, centrists decry organizations such as the ELF, who come from the anarchist tradition, as “fascists” and anti-humanists. Clearly there is a strong link between radical ecology and Black Metal, coming from the perspective of both the extreme right and extreme left. I don’t understand how one could find an earth-centered ethic and Black Metal incompatible – to me, they are one-in-the-same.



If you listen to BM, but you don’t know what phase the moon is in, or what wild flowers are blooming then you have failed. It is shocking to me that one could be seriously interested in Black Metal and not be deeply committed to radical ecology. Is BM supposed to be about concrete high rises, suburbs, television, an easy modern existence with access to 4-tracks and corpse paint from the local hot topic? No! The music is about wild forests, unfettered rivers, nature: furious and vengeful.



Frankly, I think a good portion of Black Metallers haven’t thought too hard about why they are into the music. I remember reading an interview with Garm of Ulver, I think in Michael Moynihan’s “Lords of Chaos”. Garm just couldn’t say enough horrible things about the youthful malcontents who buy the majority of Black Metal records; I tend to agree with him. Black Metal is a fairly easy thing to get into. There is a style, a sound, a set of beliefs – it’s all there to be purchased or downloaded with nary a thought of one’s own needed to get the whole package. There is deep truth underneath the façade of grim posturing, but one needs to search for it.




I think they have a point.

You would have saved a lot of time by simply typing

[SIZE="6"][b]HEIL MOTHER NATURE \m/[/b][/SIZE]

btw, Galder makes the most ridiculous faces in BM. That is a fact.

[url]http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics5/bm2/bm6.jpg[/url]

lmaooooo

In all seriousness, I agree with the pastoral sentiments that are common in black metal. There again, I agreed before I started to listen to metal at all. Black metal has probably pushed me towards them more, although it's definitely not the only reason.

Same. Its always nice to go back to more natural things, once you consider how artificial almost everything is now.

I don't think they understand that we know their "naturalism" shtick is a way to increase record sales.

Or they really believe in it.

If that was true they wouldn't spend all of their time telling everyone about it. Bands that actually believe in what they preach don't spend all of their career bitching about it and attracting attention for everyone. They claim to be complete naturalists, and yet they don't address the fact that they travel in cars, have a Myspace that promotes their music to a national audience, have barcodes on their cds, and have frequent use to a computer.

Using music as a vehicle to promote your ideologies and thoughts is fine, but it's ALL they talk about. They're more of a novelty / gimmick than a black metal band.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;16124692]Same. Its always nice to go back to more natural things, once you consider how artificial almost everything is now.[/QUOTE]

True...

Synthetic food...

Five hundred channels of **** to watch...

Galder's melted crayon shirts...

I'm not a full-blown Luddite btw ... I enjoy technology and everything, I'm actually taking Computer Architecture now, I just despise the way technology is used to degrade people these days.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16124736]If that was true they wouldn't spend all of their time telling everyone about it. Bands that actually believe in what they preach don't spend all of their career bitching about it and attracting attention for everyone. They claim to be complete naturalists, and yet they don't address the fact that they travel in cars, have a Myspace that promotes their music to a national audience, have barcodes on their cds, and have frequent use to a computer.

Using music as a vehicle to promote your ideologies and thoughts is fine, but it's ALL they talk about. They're more of a novelty / gimmick than a black metal band.[/QUOTE]

Its something they obviously care about, so they are going to sing about it. I don't see how this is a big deal?

I don't think they've ever said they were complete naturalists, or aspire to be that. In fact in another interview they admit they aren't full blown naturalists.


BY your logic, all BM is gimmick. How many BM band members sacrifice a goat to the DARK LORD every full moon? 0 most likely.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16124736]They claim to be [b]complete[/b] naturalists.[/QUOTE]

False rumor.

"We don't live in caves and wear untanned animal hides"

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;16124743]BY your logic, all BM is gimmick. How many BM band members sacrifice a goat to the DARK LORD every full moon? 0 most likely.[/QUOTE]

You forgot Gaahl

You're right. All black metal is a gimmick. All death metal is a gimmick. Everything in music is a gimmick.

That's completely serious too.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16124761]You're right. All black metal is a gimmick. All death metal is a gimmick. Everything in music is a gimmick.

That's completely serious too.[/QUOTE]

Well, gimmicks don't have to mean that you don't believe in what you sing about.

[QUOTE]If that was true they wouldn't spend all of their time telling everyone about it. Bands that actually believe in what they preach don't spend all of their career bitching about it and attracting attention for everyone.[/QUOTE]
And other Black Metal bands don't? Come on, the whole point of an interview for pretty much every BM band is to bitch and moan about how everyone is s[size=2]h[/size]it except for them.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16124761]You're right. All black metal is a gimmick. All death metal is a gimmick. Everything in music is a gimmick.

That's completely serious too.[/QUOTE]

Everything we do is a gimmick tbh

All pretenses of altruism are rationalized manifestations of selfish interests

We are but motes of stellar dust wandering through a void of astronomical obscurity

(Oh shi, [i]The Daily Show[/i] is on. Score!)

lmao

I'm not saying [I]everything[/I] they preach about is false, but a large amount of it is. It's like... if I wanted to make some money with my fictional band, I'd pick an outlandish, extreme gimmick to center my music around. And if a band has strange and unaccepted view or portrayal on things more people are attracted to them obviously.

It's not like WITTR are alone with this; the LLN is guilty of it (but at least some good music came out of that) and same with more mainstream acts, too. Music is all a gimmick. Someone pointed that out to me a few months ago, and I actually believe it now.

[QUOTE][QUOTE]And other Black Metal bands don't? Come on, the whole point of an interview for pretty much every BM band is to bitch and moan about how everyone is **** except for them.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Read above, OM boy.

Suddenly I want to make a black metal cover of [i]Dust in the Wind[/i]

[b]DON'T! HOLD! OOOOOON! NOTHING LASTS FOREVER BUT THE EARTH AND SKYYYYYYYY! ...[/b]

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;16124776]I'm not saying [I]everything[/I] they preach about is false, but a large amount of it is. It's like... if I wanted to make some money with my fictional band, I'd pick an outlandish, extreme gimmick to center my music around. And if a band has strange and unaccepted view or portrayal on things more people are attracted to them obviously.

It's not like WITTR are alone with this; the LLN is guilty of it (but at least some good music came out of that) and same with more mainstream acts, too. Music is all a gimmick. Someone pointed that out to me a few months ago, and I actually believe it now.



Read above, OM boy.[/QUOTE]
I do not doubt there are bands out there that intentionally pick gimmicks to make money off of. BUT, I do think there are bands that are genuine about what they believe in, and their records have a certain theme to them that persists in their albums and personal ideology throughout.

'Folk black metal' and 'profit' don't belong in the same sentence

Hahaha yeah. You don't see too many of those bands on TRL.

"Hi I'm Kelsey from Oklahoma and I would like to send out GRIMM HAILZ to all of my kvlt bbf's in my town! [B][I][COLOR="Magenta"]~*Hail satan leik OMG!*~[/COLOR][/I][/B]".

That's why I am always extremely skeptical towards claims that some BM artists are profit-motivated

1338 h4x0r, claims that Dark Funeral, Marduk, Nachtmystium and Krieg hunting for profit are more than rational. Dark Funeral and Marduk are making mindless, repetitive and boring music, show no real like for black metal, dress up typically black metal and sing about typically black metal subjects with typical black metal imagery and song titles and stage names. They also came about around the time that the Norwegian Black Metal scene was making Scandinavian headlines. Nachtmystium do interviews for magazines that appear in every newsagent in the world and the guy from Krieg admitted that he only played black metal because his friends like it and there was a big local scene.

[QUOTE=i am the robots;16123262]oh god :lol:

it's gonna be soooo funny when you grow out of black metal[/QUOTE]

i dont listen to much black metal at all anymore, save some late 80s stuff but that's nothing like what's generally discussed here

[QUOTE=masscows;16123281]It's odd how well-received he is by the black metallers here :confused:[/QUOTE]

because they know that i know more about it than them, except for DERKAMPF and Mark.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;16123490]I don't know what you mean.[/QUOTE]

you're suddenly talking about eliteness and putting down 'non-elite' black metal, and when I was last here, you were bitching about me for being an elitist

What exactly makes something "elite", Gates?

Hey Afro, can you make it so my threads on TBP don't have to be reviewed by a mod? I don't know if you can... is it like a universal option?