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moaner 09-07-2005 04:05 PM

"There's no Dark Side of the Moon really. Matter of fact, it's all dark..."

Riva 09-07-2005 04:16 PM

I've been listening to More so often now, it's starting to get scary. :p

I'm such a fanboy.

Broken Arrow 09-07-2005 05:20 PM

Yeah, there's some really good tunes on that, really over looked IMO.

Distant Echoes 09-07-2005 05:45 PM

Its the last album I need to buy before completing my entire floyd collection :)

Im not too excitied for it, but have been anticipating to buy it for a few months now. I'd like to hear it soon.

BludgeonySteve 09-07-2005 05:47 PM

The Gnome:

The Gnome


I want to tell you a story
About a little man
If I can.
A gnome named Grimble Crumble.
And little gnomes stay in their homes.
Eating, sleeping, drinking their wine.

He wore a scarlet tunic,
A blue green hood,
It looked quite good.
He had a big adventure
Amidst the grass
Fresh air at last.
Wining, dining, biding his time.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.

Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Winding, finding places to go.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.
Ooooooooooooooomray.


My analysis: [B]wtf????[/B]

Sorry but that's all I got :(

thesexorcist 09-07-2005 06:17 PM

you know that i heard a rumor about this album that it is actually quite purposely constructed as to predict certain events that have occured since it was made. Apparently there are certain sections that predict the events of september 11 and the subsequent invasion of both afghanistan and iraq.

could it be that pink floyd are the nostradamus of rock? is it pure coincidence? did they have some unearthly insight into our futures that we didnt even know about?!?!?!?!?!?

żAny Color You Like? 09-07-2005 06:29 PM

Did anyone know that the album Animals is actually how Pink Floyd viewed humans and the way that they react. Three main types, Dogs, Sheeps, Pigs. If you can understand this main concept, you can understand why the album is so good. Dogs~agressive people, Pigs~capitalists and buisness people who are infatuated with themselves, Sheep~ to put it into simpler words----pussys

bibbl 09-07-2005 06:29 PM

[QUOTE=thesexorcist]you know that i heard a rumor about this album that it is actually quite purposely constructed as to predict certain events that have occured since it was made. Apparently there are certain sections that predict the events of september 11 and the subsequent invasion of both afghanistan and iraq.

could it be that pink floyd are the nostradamus of rock? is it pure coincidence? did they have some unearthly insight into our futures that we didnt even know about?!?!?!?!?!?[/QUOTE]

I think you're a nutcase.

żAny Color You Like? 09-07-2005 06:29 PM

wtf i didnt say sea lions! i said p-ussys

thunderzstruck 09-07-2005 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=żAny Color You Like?]Did anyone know that the album Animals is actually how Pink Floyd viewed humans and the way that they react. Three main types, Dogs, Sheeps, Pigs. If you can understand this main concept, you can understand why the album is so good. Dogs~agressive people, Pigs~capitalists and buisness people who are infatuated with themselves, Sheep~ to put it into simpler words----slightly confuzzled sea lions[/QUOTE]


Been discussed 100 times

but anyways I thought it was

Dog-buisenss men who decieve and strike at any chance
Sheep-blind consumers who follow the dogs
Sheep-no idea

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 09-07-2005 07:03 PM

[QUOTE]The Gnome


I want to tell you a story
About a little man
If I can.
A gnome named Grimble Crumble.
And little gnomes stay in their homes.
Eating, sleeping, drinking their wine.

He wore a scarlet tunic,
A blue green hood,
It looked quite good.
He had a big adventure
Amidst the grass Fresh air at last.
Wining, dining, biding his time.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.

Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Winding, finding places to go.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.
Ooooooooooooooomray. [/QUOTE]This actully has personal meaning to me. It started out as a simple wake and bake but it turned into the greatest day of my life and this song takes on that story. One day I decided to wake and bake with 2 friends it turns out that we missed the bus and we still had like 4 bowls left. So we had to walk to school and on the way we decided to just skip and another crazy idea poped into our heads. We should go shrooming! On the way to the to the shroom feild we went under a bridge and smoked all the bud we had left and I took out my CD player and put in PATGOD. I skiped it to "The Gnome" and started walking beside a creek and I was listining to the lyrics it was was like Syd was singing about me! "He had a big adventure" We were having an adventure! "Amidst the grass" We were walking in grass! "Fresh air at last." We were skipping school outdoors hence fresh air. "Look at the sky, look at the river Isn't it good?" I was looking at a clear blue sky and I looked down and saw a flowing creek! "And then one day - hooray!" It was the day we discovered the psychedelic beauty of shrooms. We eventully got to the feild found some shrooms and tripped for the first time. It was anything and everything I ever hoped for. It was truly the greatest day of my life and now "The Gnome" is my shrooming anthem. :D

As dumb as it may possibly seem to you this experince meant alot to me and I would hope you wouldn't want to disrespect that. ;)

Edit: I ended up tripping in a tree for 3 hours. :lol:

BigTrav415 09-07-2005 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=Schyma]This actully has personal meaning to me. It started out as a simple wake and bake but it turned into the greatest day of my life and this song takes on that story. One day I decided to wake and bake with 2 friends it turns out that we missed the bus and we still had like 4 bowls left. So we had to walk to school and on the way we decided to blah blah blah some stuff about getting really fu[font=]cked[/font] up on shrooms listening to the Gnome whilst missing a free quality education.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a great day Schyma :) I'm amazed that you manage to get that stoned and still write semicoherent posts on the intraweb. Good for you :thumb: :smoke:

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 09-07-2005 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]Sounds like a great day Schyma :) I'm amazed that you manage to get that stoned and still write semicoherent posts on the intraweb. Good for you :thumb: :smoke:[/QUOTE]
F[I]u[/I]ck you. I asked you to respect that but you couldn't even do that. :rolleyes:

BludgeonySteve 09-07-2005 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Been discussed 100 times

but anyways I thought it was

Dog-buisenss men who decieve and strike at any chance
Sheep-blind consumers who follow the dogs
Sheep-no idea[/QUOTE]

Dogs are the scum of society, thieves, homeless and the very poor. Sheep are the average working people and Pigs are the wealthy upper class. Atleast that's how I look at it.

BigTrav415 09-07-2005 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=Schyma]F[I]u[/I]ck you. I asked you to respect that but you couldn't even do that. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? I was joking about the stoned thing. It really sounded like an awesome day. Trust me, I wasn't serious about the whole thing. Let's be friends :)

[QUOTE=RNR]Dogs are the scum of society, thieves, homeless and the very poor. Sheep are the average working people and Pigs are the wealthy upper class. Atleast that's how I look at it.[/QUOTE]
Pigs: CEOs, big politicans, etc.
Dogs: The motivated white-collar man, willing to doing anything to get ahead
Sheep: The masses of the stupid, unemployed, blue-collar, etc.

That's how I see it.

robo2448 09-07-2005 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]Pigs: CEOs, big politicans, etc.
Dogs: The motivated white-collar man, willing to doing anything to get ahead
Sheep: The masses of the stupid, unemployed, blue-collar, etc.

That's how I see it.[/QUOTE]

That's exactly how I see it. Glad I'm not the only one who see's it like that. It seems to make sense if you examine the lyrics.

Riva 09-07-2005 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=żAny Color You Like?]Did anyone know that the album Animals is actually how Pink Floyd viewed humans and the way that they react. Three main types, Dogs, Sheeps, Pigs. If you can understand this main concept, you can understand why the album is so good. Dogs~agressive people, Pigs~capitalists and buisness people who are infatuated with themselves, Sheep~ to put it into simpler words----slightly confuzzled sea lions[/QUOTE]


Actually, it is based on Animal Farm, which is how George Orwell viewed a communist society.

Edit: Show me a song as good as Wots Uh The Deal and I will show you a song which doesn't exist in this space time continuum.

BigTrav415 09-07-2005 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Actually, it is based on Animal Farm, which is how George Orwell viewed a communist society.[/QUOTE]
But as it's been stated a few times before in this thread, Animals was a satire of 1970's British capitalism, not communism. But yeah, they got the idea and motivation from Animal Farm :thumb:

Riva 09-07-2005 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]But as it's been stated a few times before in this thread, Animals was a satire of 1970's British capitalism, not communism. But yeah, they got the idea and motivation from Animal Farm :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Are you sure? The dogs always struck me as being a parody of the Russian KGB, at the time the Russians were actively pursuing socialism/communisim.

BludgeonySteve 09-07-2005 08:00 PM

If you actually look at the lyrics, it looks like Dogs are the scum of society and Sheep are the middle class minions of the Pigs. The song Dogs is more survivalistic and Sheep is more about following the leader. So I think it goes that way.

"Meek and obedient you follow the leader" is a key part of sheep that shows this.

magicbus 09-07-2005 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Edit: Show me a song as good as Wots Uh The Deal and I will show you a song which doesn't exist in this space time continuum.[/QUOTE]

Can't be done.

Speaking of you listening to More a lot, how do you like Cirrus Minor? I think it's a truly awesome song. It's got those cool floating organ sounds, and when the heavy reverb comes in on the vocals it sounds reeeally cool.

BigTrav415 09-07-2005 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Are you sure? The dogs always struck me as being a parody of the Russian KGB, at the time the Russians were actively pursuing socialism/communisim.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Me]
Pigs: CEOs, big politicans, etc.
Dogs: The motivated white-collar man, willing to doing anything to get ahead
Sheep: The masses of the stupid, unemployed, blue-collar, etc.

That's how I see it.
[/QUOTE]
If you listen closely to the lyrics, they seem to follow these allegories. Also, one of the biggest give-aways ifs the factory on the front cover, which is actually a factory in England, which is still standing somewhere.
EDIT:
[IMG]http://www.howiesimon.com/sights/misc/Pink%20Floyd%20Animals%20factory.JPG[/IMG]
'Nuff said :)

BludgeonySteve 09-07-2005 08:04 PM

It's really more about English Capitalism than directly taken from Animal Farm. It does borrow some things though.

clairvoyant 09-07-2005 08:10 PM

The album Animals is more related to the book "Animal Farm" by George Orwell which is about communism (more closely, the communism in the Soviet Union).

Riva 09-07-2005 08:10 PM

[QUOTE=RNR]If you actually look at the lyrics, it looks like Dogs are the scum of society and Sheep are the middle class minions of the Pigs. The song Dogs is more survivalistic and Sheep is more about following the leader. So I think it goes that way.

"Meek and obedient you follow the leader" is a key part of sheep that shows this.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but "glove and tie, firm handshake, a certain look and an easy smile". That suggests that the well-dressed secret policemen who stabs his contacts and is ruthless with suspects.

[QUOTE=magicbus]Can't be done.

Speaking of you listening to More a lot, how do you like Cirrus Minor? I think it's a truly awesome song. It's got those cool floating organ sounds, and when the heavy reverb comes in on the vocals it sounds reeeally cool.[/QUOTE]

Oh my word yes. From the bird songs to the awesome ending, that song is brilliant. And what about Up The Khyber. Nick and Rick go off!

magicbus 09-07-2005 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Oh my word yes. From the bird songs to the awesome ending, that song is brilliant. And what about Up The Khyber. Nick and Rick go off![/QUOTE]

I still have to listen to a lot of the rest of the album, but at this point I know I really, really like Cirrus Minor. I'll be listening to More a lot in the next few days.

BigTrav415 09-07-2005 08:13 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Yes, but "glove and tie, firm handshake, a certain look and an easy smile". That suggests that the well-dressed secret policemen who stabs his contacts and is ruthless with suspects.[/QUOTE]
Actually, when I heard that I instantly thought of just a middle-management white collar man in a boardroom or something, getting in good with his superiors so he can "stab them in the back" and get ahead. It's all metaphorical.

BigTrav415 09-08-2005 03:12 PM

Wow, no posts since mine 17 hours ago... w/e. Listened to some more Floyd today during study hall, that's about it. Can't think of anything else to add...

Britton 09-08-2005 03:29 PM

wow you guys ended up with a great name for the thread

temporary 09-08-2005 03:30 PM

[quote]Pigs: CEOs, big politicans, etc.
Dogs: The motivated white-collar man, willing to doing anything to get ahead
Sheep: The masses of the stupid, unemployed, blue-collar, etc.

That's how I see it.[/QUOTE]

I see it pretty similarly, although I thought it was more like:

Dogs: Bussiness men, ruthless and exploiting, always hounding people, sort of like Wall Mart in a person (apears like a good thing, but underneath is destroying our society.)
Pigs: The rulers, governers, CEO's, senators, ect. who seem to run things, but are no better than the sheep.
Sheep: The huddled masses, always searching for a leader, not knowing about anything, constantly exploited by the dogs.

I really think Animals has the best concept for any album I've heard. It may edge Wish You Were Here as my second favorite Floyd album.


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