I dislike sweeping. Mainly because it's d[size=2]a[/size]mn near immpossible to play.

[QUOTE=shane italian]**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

[b]Hardcore[/b] is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

[b]Metalcore[/b] is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

[b]Hardcore bands:[/b]
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror

[b]Metalcore bands:[/b]
Hatebreed, 100 Demons, Bury Your Dead, Black My Heart, On Broken Wings, Hoods, North Side Kings, Walls Of Jericho, Clenched Fist

[i][B]MORE BY SK8SKANJ[/B][/i]

[b]Grindcore[/b] in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore or Tech Metal, meaning they're more complex in the musical writings and tend to be more organized.

[b]Grindcore bands:[/b]
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

[b]Emo[/b] style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

[b]Emo bands:[/b]
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454

[b]Post-Hardcore[/b]
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Husker Du, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.[/QUOTE]
yes i see wat u mean all of these people saying unearth is hardcore which it obviously isnt are pissen me off im glad u started this thread. Never forget Thrice wen u list hardcore bands though.

Ehh. They're not really a hardcore band. May have some hardcore influences, but not a hardcore band.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]I dislike sweeping. Mainly because it's d[size=2]a[/size]mn near immpossible to play.[/QUOTE]

Hmm.. that's the reason why I like it. I guess I just like guitar playing to the extreme. I can't do full sweeps across all 6 strings, but here and there I can.

Just got back from the Marigold show. The main guitarist was wearing a Taken shirt, the second guitar had Breather Resist and the merch dude had a Coliseum shirt. I was pretty excited about Taken. I didn't get to see We're All Broken and Bill wasn't there.

I never got around to listening to Marigold, probably should.

So I just got to reading this thread after looking up some tool tabs, and this thread caught my eye. You guys seem to know what your talking about, so i hope you could answer this question.
I go to a snobby white school, where people know sh!t about music, and there is a group of f@ggot metrosexual girl pants wearers that I hate, that claim they listen to Hardcore music. I don't know much about genres in music, but I know these kids aren't in it for the music, its what comes with the music. The thing is they listen to some of the same music I listen to, Like Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold, and Eighteen Visions, and stuff like that. They say that music is hardcore, but I didn't think they were, since it's hard to listen to "I Won't See You TOnight" or "Warmness of the SOul" by A7X and think that that is Hardcore, because when I think Hardcore, I think "HARDCORE," like rip your balls of metal. I read that Hardcore has punk influences, and these guys definately do, but are they Hardcore? or something else, and what is with guys wearing fuKKing makeup, girls pants, and dyed hair? Thats not hardcore to me.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]I never got around to listening to Marigold, probably should.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.purevolume.com/marigold[/url]

Those bands are not hardcore.

Hardcore is mainly influenced by punk. Only recently it has slight metal influences.

Cb: How were Marigold?!

Benttwig: You're a smart lad. Those bands are not hardcore at all. They get called that for some reason, but that's about as deep as it goes. Hardcore actually has nothing to do with metal for the most part, and it is basically aggressive punk music.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Those bands are not hardcore.

Hardcore is mainly influenced by punk. Only recently it has slight metal influences.[/QUOTE]

The metal influences making it Metalcore? Or is it still Hardcore with metal influences?

Depends on the band. Like a lot of NYHC is metal influenced, but is considered hardcore because that's just how NYHC sounds. But when you have a band that takes the metal influence further, like Merauder, 100 Demons, or Bury Your Dead... then it's metalcore.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Depends on the band. Like a lot of NYHC is metal influenced, but is considered hardcore because that's just how NYHC sounds. But when you have a band that takes the metal influence further, like Merauder, 100 Demons, or Bury Your Dead... then it's metalcore.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I always found it hard to tell, like Refused some of their early stuff sounds to me like Metalcore but are generally referred to as a Hardcore band, so I wasn't sure if they where a Metalcore band or Hardcore with metal influences.

Refused are generally considered experimental hardcore.

I just see them as possibly the greatest band there ever was.

It was only a matter of time.

[url]www.myspace.com/acapellica[/url]

Yeah, that link's not working.

Refused weren't as good on The Shape Of Punk To Come. I perfer Everlasting or Songs To Fan The Songs Of Discontent. TSOPTC didn't do it for me.

I like tall their releases.

With Honor's van got broken into. Money and stuff stolen.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]I like tall their releases.

With Honor's van got broken into. Money and stuff stolen.[/QUOTE]
I didn't nescisarily dislike TSOPTC, I just couldn't get into the songs.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]With Honor's van got broken into. Money and stuff stolen.[/QUOTE]That's so jacked. I'll be sure to buy lots of merch.

[quote=Buddy]Cb: How were Marigold?![/quote]

They were the best set. They played 6 or 7 songs. The three from the demo (I'll send you it on AIM if you want, the recording quality is really good) and three new ones. The new ones had some harder parts so they brought a little mosh. I got knocked right into Vadim. But there really fu[B][I][/I][/B]cking amazing, they're the band most likely to get signed to a bigger label. Vadim's voice is incredible and they're songs go from chaotic to beautiful and spacy all while he's still just singing. They do have some screaming from the 2nd guitar, but it's selective so it doesn't come off sounding fake or unemotional. Vadim plays some amazing stuff while singing too. I also found out from their cool as hell merch guy (who was wearing a Coliseum shirt) that Vadim is in a band Superstitions Of The Sky (I believe they are acoustic) with members of Hot Cross and Neil Perry. Vadim was wearing the Taken And They Slept shirt by the way.

Again, you can here "Movement One In A Minor" and "This Day Has Opened My Eyes" from the demo and a rough version of "No 12" at [url]http://www.purevolume.com/marigold[/url]. There's one more song on the demo "Footsteps" that I can send you if you want.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]I like tall their releases.

With Honor's van got broken into. Money and stuff stolen.[/QUOTE]
S[SIZE=2]h[/SIZE]it that sucks. I shall buy merch.

They setup a paypal thing for donations. But I'd rather get something out of it by buying merch.

Who steals prescription meds? At least they didn't get any gear stolen though.

Yeah. If they stole the meds it was probably some crack addicts, or someone who wanted them to die.

The plot thickens.....

Or maybe it was DocCrox.

Why is it always hardcore bands that get their stuff stolen?

hi i'm relativly new to hardcore but i'm startin to like it. any good albums or compilations that you can recomend (i like refused and blood for blood if that helps so musiclike that)

thanks

Madball
Agnostic Front
Terror

Are a few bands you might like judging by that you listen to B4B and Refused.