[QUOTE=Kuffuffled;18536790]That last thing with the squeelies.. Needs to go into a breakdown. You can't play that then have gay synths end the song.. Which are only gay because lack of breakdown[/QUOTE]

you're gay cause of lack of breakdown ;)

[quote=Matt?;18537110]are you embarassed by your tone? why not post a clip... all you have to do is play a couple chords, maybe a little lead line. if you actually truly believe you have good tone this should be no issue. right lol?[/quote]


I think this is intuitive, but wrong. Given the situation at hand, there is literally no way to resolve the matter based on listening examples.

The problem (especially in the context of I_am_the_one's little typical posting history) is that somebody out there (especially on the Internet) is gonna think that the tone is terrible (or they're going to say it anyway). The problem is probably amplified when you're not well-liked as a personality (how many people out there hate Dave Mustaine because he's kind of a jerk?).

I don't care what guitar player you bring up. Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, David Gilmore, Dimebag Darrell, Tony Iommi, Jimmy Page, BB King, Joe Satriani, Django Reinhardt, Charlie Christian, John McLaughlin, Carlos Santana, Greg Ginn, Duane Allman, John Frusciante, Jack White, Neil Young, or anybody else I missed: [I]somebody[/I] has thought that they suck, their tone sucks, and it will be that way now and forever.

jack white's tone does suck though, probably the worst guitar tone ever... and he does it on purpose...

[QUOTE=Xomblies;18537147]jack white's tone does suck though, probably the worst guitar tone ever... and he does it on purpose...[/QUOTE]

I prefer it to many guitarist's tones; particularly those guys who go for "pure tones". Throw a Boss Metal Zone in your chain, and have some fun, god damnit!


Of course, Jack White is well known for eschewing the digital at large, be it tones or method of capture.

i think i read some interview of him saying he doesn't use any gear that's not older than him lol

[quote=spirit;18537151]I prefer it to many guitarist's tones; particularly those guys who go for "pure tones". Throw a Boss Metal Zone in your chain, and have some fun, god damnit!


Of course, [B]Jack White is well known for eschewing the digital at large, be it tones or method of capture[/B].[/quote]

Ironic really, as what is considered to be one of the white stripes most famous songs (seven nation army) uses some fairly sophisticated digital pitchshifting....

Not criticising you here. I just hate that particularly ill-informed anti-digital stance on audio, especially from a fairly influential standpoint such as an internationally famous musican. He should know better.

[QUOTE=Moseph;18537140]
The problem (especially in the context of I_am_the_one's little typical posting history) is that somebody out there (especially on the Internet) is gonna think that the tone is terrible (or they're going to say it anyway). The problem is probably amplified when you're not well-liked as a personality (how many people out there hate Dave Mustaine because he's kind of a jerk?).[/QUOTE]

i don't really post here much, just randomly so i don't really know who is "liked" or not, nor do i really care... when it comes to guitar tone personality really has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE]I don't care what guitar player you bring up. Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, David Gilmore, Dimebag Darrell, Tony Iommi, Jimmy Page, BB King, Joe Satriani, Django Reinhardt, Charlie Christian, John McLaughlin, Carlos Santana, Greg Ginn, Duane Allman, John Frusciante, Jack White, Neil Young, or anybody else I missed: [I]somebody[/I] has thought that they suck, their tone sucks, and it will be that way now and forever.[/QUOTE]

i'm not arguing whether or not their tone is good... the poster clearly believes he has good tone regardless of his sketchy equipment (what is it a zoom multi fx or something??). i'm just curious what his idea of "good tone" is.

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18537159]Ironic really, as what is considered to be one of the white stripes most famous songs (seven nation army) uses some fairly sophisticated digital pitchshifting....

Not criticising you here. I just hate that particularly ill-informed anti-digital stance on audio, especially from a fairly influential standpoint such as an internationally famous musican. He should know better.[/QUOTE]

i don't think he's "anti digital" (that would be steve albini)
he probably just prefers analog. that's not really that crazy. i prefer analog too. doesn't mean i don't use digital effects...

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18537159]Ironic really, as what is considered to be one of the white stripes most famous songs (seven nation army) uses some fairly sophisticated digital pitchshifting....

Not criticising you here. I just hate that particularly ill-informed anti-digital stance on audio, especially from a fairly influential standpoint such as an internationally famous musican. He should know better.[/QUOTE]

i believe that was the mixing engineer, he only RECORDS with analog gear. In this case the label might have had a lot of sway on how it got mixed/ mastered.

Cold war kids are the same, they're all about analog and vintage but their drums are sound replaced, not because they intended on it being that way, but whomever they got to mix it pulled a fast one on them

Plus everything ends up on 16-bit 44.1 khz CD audio anyway :P

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18537159]Ironic really, as what is considered to be one of the white stripes most famous songs (seven nation army) uses some fairly sophisticated digital pitchshifting....

Not criticising you here. I just hate that particularly ill-informed anti-digital stance on audio, especially from a fairly influential standpoint such as an internationally famous musican. He should know better.[/QUOTE]

Could be he phrased it better so that it doesn't read like he's a hypocrite. I dunno.

I personally believe that digital audio could be considered one of the greatest inventions of recent decades, and the advancement of which has more or less enabled us to even have a thread such as this discussing techniques in which we can all record in our own homes to a decent standard without the need for specialist analogue equipment, as we can all use software to perform all those functions, amongst other such conviniences.

Without digital audio, we'd all be standing around comparing who's got the best 4 track :P

to be honest analog is shitte, even tube amplifiers now are nothing more than a nostalgia exercise. Digital is much better, and all the "analog" bands are hypocrites.

[quote=The_Mop;18537159]Ironic really, as what is considered to be one of the white stripes most famous songs (seven nation army) uses [B]some fairly sophisticated digital pitchshifting....[/B][/quote]

I was actually told at an AES Conference (I think 2007) by a guy at the Electro-Harmonix booth that the "bass" on that one was actually just a combination of some of their pedals.

There are two caveats to this:

(01) I cannot recall which pedals he claimed were used, nor do I really know if all E-H stuff is analog or not.

(02) The AES show floor is basically a marketing event, so he could have been spewing incredible amounts of bull-plop at me trying to sell pedals.

Does anyone remember reading what actually happened for the recording/mixing of that track somewhere? A link to a magazine or something would be pretty cool...


[quote=Matt?;18537161]i don't really post here much, just randomly so i don't really know who is "liked" or not, nor do i really care... when it comes to guitar tone personality really has nothing to do with it.



i'm not arguing whether or not their tone is good... the poster clearly believes he has good tone regardless of his sketchy equipment (what is it a zoom multi fx or something??). i'm just curious what his idea of "good tone" is.[/quote]

That's all actually pretty reasonable. I'm curious myself, except I know it'll just devolve into a flame-war, and this is still a pretty okay thread thus far.

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18537172]Plus everything ends up on 16-bit 44.1 khz CD audio anyway :P[/QUOTE]

exactly :)


[QUOTE=wartomods;18537202]to be honest analog is shitte, even tube amplifiers now are nothing more than a nostalgia exercise. Digital is much better, and all the "analog" bands are hypocrites.[/QUOTE]
it's kind of an almost, maybe in a few more years it'll be there but true tube saturation is kind of impossible to "emulate" because you're overdriving hardware, the difference between digital overdrive and analog overdrive is basically blocky vs roundy lol

there are other factors too like how analog processes a signal and how loud it can handle a signal compared to digital but there are shitheads about who don't believe high end audio hardware actually handles signal at +24 db. I can assure you it does i'm just too lazy to go and do all the research to prove it.


[QUOTE=The_Mop;18537176]I personally believe that digital audio could be considered one of the greatest inventions of recent decades, and the advancement of which has more or less enabled us to even have a thread such as this discussing techniques in which we can all record in our own homes to a decent standard without the need for specialist analogue equipment, as we can all use software to perform all those functions, amongst other such conviniences.

Without digital audio, we'd all be standing around comparing who's got the best 4 track :P[/QUOTE]
I wholeheartedly agree, while i do think some analog stuff is better as analog, a lot of digital recording... basically everything about editing and almost a limitless number of first generation recordings is a metric assload better. It also makes for a lot more signal processing for a fraction of the cost, could you imagine how much it would cost daily to rent a studio with 48 "1176" compressors???

I agree with most of what has been said here about digital gear, except for the poster that said tube amps are only for nostalgia. I still don't think anything can completely compare to a saturated tube amp.

[quote=Xomblies;18537222]there are shitheads about who don't believe high end audio hardware actually handles signal at +24 db. I can assure you it does i'm just too lazy to go and do all the research to prove it.[/quote]

You're talking analog here, right?

considering ^ that's part of a run on sentence about how analog gear handles audio louder it should be obvious

[quote=Xomblies;18537250]considering ^ that's part of a run on sentence about how analog gear handles audio louder it should be obvious[/quote]

Should be, but improper grammar and my inability to infer can impede that.

Regardless, you won't get any disagreement from me on that one now, I was just confused by ambiguity of the pronoun.

[QUOTE=wartomods;18537202]to be honest analog is shitte, even tube amplifiers now are nothing more than a nostalgia exercise. Digital is much better, and all the "analog" bands are hypocrites.[/QUOTE]

Bad troll is bad.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;18537222]exactly :)



it's kind of an almost, maybe in a few more years it'll be there but true tube saturation is kind of impossible to "emulate" because you're overdriving hardware, the difference between digital overdrive and analog overdrive is basically blocky vs roundy lol

there are other factors too like how analog processes a signal and how loud it can handle a signal compared to digital but there are shitheads about who don't believe high end audio hardware actually handles signal at +24 db. I can assure you it does i'm just too lazy to go and do all the research to prove it.



I wholeheartedly agree, while i do think some analog stuff is better as analog, a lot of digital recording... basically everything about editing and almost a limitless number of first generation recordings is a metric assload better. It also makes for a lot more signal processing for a fraction of the cost, could you imagine how much it would cost daily to rent a studio with 48 "1176" compressors???[/QUOTE]
´the thing is , do i really need real tube saturation, that is an unfortunate event of valve amplification circuits that became popular because of the artists of the time. I surely would prefer a transistor amp to play foals or midwest pen pals, so a tube isnt in my needs for now.

My electric guitars arent supposed to be overdriven, it is a shame that a large part of music world revolves around a sound made popular by a faulty circuit architecture as valve circuits are.

[quote=wartomods;18537273]My electric guitars arent supposed to be overdriven, it is a shame that a large part of music world revolves around a sound made popular by a faulty circuit architecture as valve circuits are.[/quote]

I don't know if "faulty" is the right term. If you keep the gain in the linear stage they do alright. They just happen to distort if you increase the gain beyond that stage.

Not really a fault in the design, more like an aspect of the physics. Every type of electrical amplification device (at least that I'm aware of) does something similar when you go beyond the "safe" operational regions.

[QUOTE=Moseph;18537275]I don't know if "faulty" is the right term. If you keep the gain in the linear stage they do alright. They just happen to distort if you increase the gain beyond that stage.

Not really a fault in the design, more like an aspect of the physics. Every type of electrical amplification device (at least that I'm aware of) does something similar when you go beyond the "safe" operational regions.[/QUOTE]

finally someone understands me

[QUOTE=wartomods;18537273]My electric guitars arent supposed to be overdriven, it is a shame that a large part of music world revolves around a sound made popular by a faulty circuit architecture as valve circuits are.[/QUOTE]

it's widely accepted that valve amplification and tube saturation sounds appealing to the ears man, it's beyond just "artists at the time" lots of people from many eras and genres think overdrive sounds great. The term "good tone" is subjective though, what works for you is what works for you

all i said was you can't emulate tube saturation

Whether or not it's emulated to your satisfaction doesn't have any bearing on that it is emulated every day.

every day? fuck

Shufflin

[QUOTE=Matt?;18537161]... the poster clearly believes he has good tone regardless of his sketchy equipment (what is it a zoom multi fx or something??). i'm just curious what his idea of "good tone" is.[/QUOTE]


A variety of samples for you and others who are curious...these samples are my idea of a good sounding budget multi-FX modeling pedal, all direct recording sounds...and all guitar sounds listed here are from a Zoom G2.1u (some guitar sounds are combined with other modeling pedals):

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXMRuNStLrE&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTPEpRsD5T0&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAVriZ2DNc&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFKuTJ2NVqM&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBc9slT_vg&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9e5MMHKPIM&feature=related[/url]

All recorded using the following gear:

Software :
- Cubase Le4
- ProTools M-powered 7.4
- Addictive Drums
- Sony Soundforge

Sound :
- M-Audio FireWire Solo soundcard
- Samson S-Amp headphones amplifier
- Samson C03 microphone
- Samson SR850 headphones
- KRK Rokit5 monitors

Processors :
- Zoom G2.1U

All recorded with a variety of guitars...

;)

i don't even know where to begin with those videos

i start for vanwarp

you're wrong logical fallacy G2 modellers ;) toadies

[QUOTE=Xomblies;18537792]i don't even know where to begin with those videos[/QUOTE]


Nevermind the videos and concentrate on the sound samples... :naughty:

i'll admit the killswitch and dimebag tones are pretty close but they use solid state in their recordings, and the low gain one at the end is proof that you NEED tube amps to really get a good clean tone, there's just nothing smooth about it :/

and the second to last one "power pop rock" looool

yeah a lot of those were tiny, thin, and fuzzy.

Good lord vanwarp has sunk to new lows of idiocy. It's not even entertaining anymore.

ATTN: Vanwarp:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy[/url]

[QUOTE=I_am_the_one;18537709]v=OXMRuNStLrE&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTPEpRsD5T0&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAVriZ2DNc&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFKuTJ2NVqM&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBc9slT_vg&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9e5MMHKPIM&feature=related[/url]

All recorded using the following gear:

Software :
- Cubase Le4
- ProTools M-powered 7.4
- Addictive Drums
- Sony Soundforge

Sound :
- M-Audio FireWire Solo soundcard
- Samson S-Amp headphones amplifier
- Samson C03 microphone
- Samson SR850 headphones
- KRK Rokit5 monitors

Processors :
- Zoom G2.1U

All recorded with a variety of guitars...

;)[/QUOTE]

Wait.

Wait.

Seriously? You're actually trying to use those videos to back up your opinion?

That is genuinely laughable.

[quote=I_am_the_one;18537709]A variety of samples for you and others who are curious...these samples are my idea of a good sounding budget multi-FX modeling pedal, all direct recording sounds...and all guitar sounds listed here are from a Zoom G2.1u (some guitar sounds are combined with other modeling pedals):

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXMRuNStLrE&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTPEpRsD5T0&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqAVriZ2DNc&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFKuTJ2NVqM&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBc9slT_vg&feature=channel_video_title[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9e5MMHKPIM&feature=related[/url]

All recorded using the following gear:

Software :
- Cubase Le4
- ProTools M-powered 7.4
- Addictive Drums
- Sony Soundforge

Sound :
- M-Audio FireWire Solo soundcard
- Samson S-Amp headphones amplifier
- Samson C03 microphone
- Samson SR850 headphones
- KRK Rokit5 monitors

Processors :
- Zoom G2.1U

All recorded with a variety of guitars...

;)[/quote]
:lol:

He can't even provide samples of himself playing. Or is that really you? God damn that explains a lot.

Notice how all the videos have their comments disabled. That's says enough about the content to me :lol:

Good luck bro.

Dude, disagreeing with him just means that we're all 'toadies' or something and logic is unnecessary.

the jimi hendrix one was pretty decent i thought

this thread is such a big ball of shit though especially with joel relentlessly condescending everybody even though he sucks ass

edit: in b4 joel :lol: spams