[U]Nu-metal[/U]
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.

yes i agree that nu-metal should be a seperate genre, but i disagree about the band selection. first papa roach IS NOT METAL! now there are plenty of other bands thats should go in this genre. mudvayne definately does not belong. they are rarely played on the radio and they are definately not mainstream. now ive noticed that you forgot one important genre, Industrial Metal. this would include bands such as Rammstien and many others. now this is only my opinion. i dont mean to disrespect you. Thank You.

Read the friggin thread before posting! Thank you.

[QUOTE]blind guardian are more or less credited for starting power metal along with helloween. so there.[/QUOTE]

Er...can you say Dio?

Per Ardua is right, i guess Dio Is power metal in a certain kind of way

Dio inspired Power Metal, didn't start it. Anyways, it's not like we're ever gonna agree here...

right.... :lol:

BTW, i've listened to the first album of Darkthrone and it seems they're playing doom metal specially Neptune Towers.so, do the play doom metal or black metal?

Darkthrone are a black metal band.

Actually, Bartender, you are only partially right.
The first album, "Soulside Journey" which RivFader is talking about is actually Death/Doom metal.
Other than the first album, all the other albums are black metal.

Very very very conclusive man
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Hey everyone, this is my first post on this site and I hope to have many more following it. I am not a musician, yet, but only because I have no money to pay for lessons or instruments, I hope to be a drummer when I get the money, focusing especially on double bass kick with high beats per minute (I am already undergoing endurance/speed training for my arms and legs especially so I can jump start myself to double bass kick as quickly as possible).

My current passion is discovering, listening to and discussing metal, drums and metal bands. I am trying to keep a running total of how many bands that I actually can say I listen to. What I need from you, the public, is to help me add to this list, based on the current tastes obviously shown by this list. I also welcome critisism and corrections on my list because I know for sure that I am wrong about some things on it. I hope by the time I start to learn how to drum I do live up to the name: MetalGuru.

Try to put up with what ever gross improportions or errors put on here, but make no mistake, I am a REAL metal fan, I listen to metal about 10-15 hours a day (yes I have calculated it), but I have never really had a chance to discuss it with real metal fans since non of my friends are metal heads like me. This would be the reason for any misconceptions I have on types or bands. With that said, here's the list:

Note: If bands are refered to be split into "stages" it is because they changed their style drastically at one or two points in their careers and I feel that it would need clarification between the stages to describe the type of metal. Moreover, you may notice the heavy use of Symphonic, I think anything using keys could be described as Symphonic, even though with the different levels of key use it could be said to be either Symphonic, Melodic or even Industrial.

My Favorites
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Bands: Dimmu Borgir, Opeth, Amon Amarth, Graveworm, Fear Factory, Children of Bodom

Types: Black, Death, Progressive, Nu, Industrial, Heavy

(Mainstream/Mainstream Sounding) Metal (expect errors to be in this section)
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Atreyu (pop screemo metal)
Dark Army
Enter My Silence
Godsmack
iLL NiNo
Kitty
LostProphets (emo rock)
Machinehead
Metallica
Mudvayne
Seether
Slipknot
Static-X
Stone Sour
Sugar Coma
Tool
Hatebreed (hardcore?)


Death Metal
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Flagband(s): Morbid Angel, Fear Factory (slightly, slightly symphonic, first stage only)

Amon Amarth (Melodic)
Anasarca
Beheaded
Cannibal Corpse (DeathGore-Metal)
Corpse Vomit
Children of Bodom (Swedish DM?, does not sound AT ALL like Death Metal, only band with keys that I wouldn't consider "Symphonic")
Chronic Disorder
Curriculum Mortis (Melodic)
Dimmak
Fleshtized
Guidance of Sin (Melodic)
Iniquity
Nephasth
Panzerchrist
Taetre (somewhat melodic)
Thalarion (Symphonic Melodic and (somewhat) Epic)

Black Metal
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Flagband(s): Dimmu Borgir (Symphonic, first stage = true BM)

Agathodaimon (Symphonic)
Bathory
Cathedral (Symphonic)
Cradle of Filth (Symphonic)
Dark Funeral (Symphonic)
Graveworm (Symphonic, my current favorite)
Kovenant (Symphonic, first stage = true BM)
Old Man's Child (Symphonic?)
Pik (Doom Rock)
Rotting Christ (Symphonic)
Wolfheart (thrash)

Thrash Metal
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Flagband(s): Meshuggah (Progressive Technical)

Darkane (Heavy Progressive Technical)
The Haunted (Heavy)

Nu-Metal(can be described as Nu because it is popular, but this SOUND can also be achieved by much less popular bands, keep that in mind. Also keep mind that I wouldn't be surprised if half these bands ARE actually Nu-Metal in Europe. I prefer mainstream over Nu to describing pop metal, because really, what is popular is culture specific, it could be different in another country)
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Disturbed
Fear Factory (heavy industrial, technical, more symphonic, transition stage and third stage only)
In Flames
Jerkstore
Korn(rock then?)
Mevadio
Mnemic (heavy, hybrid, progressive fast fusion, huge variety of heavy styles)
Raunchy
Sacrificial
Seether
System of a Down (punkishly hardcore)
Withering Surface (thrash)

Progressive
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Opeth (pseudo BM, real type=progressive dark emo with true BM sound, roughly 50 percent of their music is not ENTIRELY metal through the whole song, while about 10 percent is not metal at all, strange band)

Indie-Metal
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Kloak

Psychedelic Metal (yes this is an actual type)
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Apex Theory
Alchemist

Heavy Metal
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Artillery
Fight (rock)
Heaven's Cry
Symphony X

Rock-Rap
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Flag band(s): Cypresshill (final stage)

Kush
Limp Bizkit

Power Metal
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DragonForce (this band is the reason I DON'T like Power Metal)

Other/Bands I don't know much of but still like
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Gwar
Mushroomhead
Super Joint Ritual
Lamb of God
Melvins
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
Buruzia (is that spelt right, features drummer from Fear Factory?)

I know OF many other bands (both popular and underground) but they aren't worth it to list on here because I know so little of them.



That's the list, I welcome any and all comments, privately and publically, since my only goal in life at the moment is to further my knowledge and correctness on metal and metal culture.

ANYONE WITH GOOD SYMPHONIC BLACK METAL (better or as good as Graveworm or Dimmu Borgir) OR REALLY HARD HITTING NU-METAL (better or as good as Mnemic or System of a Down) CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY WITH THE NAMES. ALSO ANYONE WITH ANY MUSIC THAT SOUNDS LIKE AMON AMARTH AND CURRICULUM MORTIS OR OPETH OR CHILDREN OF BODOM ALSO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY.

Oh, were to begin.... I'm just reserveng this space, I'll make a more descriptive post as soon as I find the time, but the most important ones that sprung into my eyes:
Korn are not hardcore
Keys do not make metal symphonic. Bands like COF and Graveworm do not play symphonic.
Mnemic, In Flames, Withering Surface etc. are not nu-metal bands.
Disturbed, however fit nicely in nu.

That's just a quick few ;)
other than that, welcome and such!

MetalGuru: I don't see how Opeth can be described as emo-ish other than some emo kids listen to their acoustic work.

To find about more bands, I suggest listening to internet radio (Snakenet is my fav).

It seems you know too much about metal already tho...

I'd say bathory is black metal, and sabbath is doom metal.

[QUOTE=$yk0_H]Oh, were to begin.... I'm just reserveng this space, I'll make a more descriptive post as soon as I find the time, but the most important ones that sprung into my eyes:
Korn are not hardcore
Keys do not make metal symphonic. Bands like COF and Graveworm do not play symphonic.
Mnemic, In Flames, Withering Surface etc. are not nu-metal bands.
Disturbed, however fit nicely in nu.

That's just a quick few ;)
other than that, welcome and such![/QUOTE]

Thanks for helping me out, I was not surprised at some of these errors, and also glad that I knew what I was talking about when it came to most of my favorite bands since they were not commented on. I do disagree on some points, and I also have questions regarding your corrections. To start, Mnemic has been described as nu-metal before, I'm sure it is to the Danish people, although I don't know for sure. But I would not be surprised if they weren't because really I cannot tell what type of metal they are, they just kick *** and they *sound* quite mainstream, if you know what I am trying to say there. But then again, what is Nu-Metal, alot of people have mixed opinons on that, can someone describe it and Mnemics type to me in COMPLETE CLARITY?

First Question would be, what would call a band that used keys like Dimmu Borgir Graveworm and Cradle of Filth. I strongly disagree that Graveworm is not symphonic since they have huge symphonies as intros (Dreaming Beauty?) or as whole songs(Ceremonial Requiem?), and I swear I hear synthesized symphony coming from the keys in pretty much every song, or is that something else? Cradle of Filth I agree isn't symphonic if I am right in what I now think is symphonic. They just really have organ in that. But also, am I wrong in what I think is Symphonic? If what is Symphonic is what is played in Progenies of the Great Apocalypse(Dimmu Borgir - DCA), then I can see where you are coming from.

Secondly, what is the difference between black and doom? I am not completely sure on what doom metal is.

I am really shakey on what Fear Factory would be described as, if there was such a title that meant Industrial Melodic Technical Death Metal that is what I guess it would be. Or is it something else?

Furthermore, if In Flames and Withering Surface are not Nu, what are they? I was shakey on them because I don't listen to In Flames as much and I could never tell what Withering Surface was.

[QUOTE=The_Mutato]MetalGuru: I don't see how Opeth can be described as emo-ish other than some emo kids listen to their acoustic work.

To find about more bands, I suggest listening to internet radio (Snakenet is my fav).

It seems you know too much about metal already tho...[/QUOTE]

As for your comment, Mutato, Opeth is DARK emo (sometimes confused with BM type lyrics??). Maybe not entirely but if you read the lyrics to like half their songs they talk about lost love and about wanting to die or sometimes both. Is that not as emo as it gets? If I am right in trying to understand what the songs are saying, refer to In My Time of Need (****ation), To Rid The Disease (****ation), Hope Leaves (****ation), A Fair Judgement (Deliverance) and Face of Melinda(Still Life) for examples, and thats just to name a few.

I await your replies.

I am going to update the list.

Ha it bleeped out the album titles.
its supposed to say Dam nation

the best type of rock is zakk wylde, ozzy osbourne and co tho, whos every1 elses?

[QUOTE]ANYONE WITH GOOD SYMPHONIC BLACK METAL[/QUOTE]

Arcturus-Aspera Heims Synfonia
Blood Stained Dusk-Dirge of Death's silence
Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse
Emperor-Anthems to the welkin at dusk

All are top notch symphonic black metal albums.

[QUOTE]First Question would be, what would call a band that used keys like Dimmu Borgir Graveworm and Cradle of Filth. I strongly disagree that Graveworm is not symphonic since they have huge symphonies as intros (Dreaming Beauty?) or as whole songs(Ceremonial Requiem?), and I swear I hear synthesized symphony coming from the keys in pretty much every song, or is that something else? Cradle of Filth I agree isn't symphonic if I am right in what I now think is symphonic. They just really have organ in that. But also, am I wrong in what I think is Symphonic? If what is Symphonic is what is played in Progenies of the Great Apocalypse(Dimmu Borgir - DCA), then I can see where you are coming from.

Secondly, what is the difference between black and doom? I am not completely sure on what doom metal is.

I am really shakey on what Fear Factory would be described as, if there was such a title that meant Industrial Melodic Technical Death Metal that is what I guess it would be. Or is it something else?

Furthermore, if In Flames and Withering Surface are not Nu, what are they? I was shakey on them because I don't listen to In Flames as much and I could never tell what Withering Surface was.[/QUOTE]

Ok, Symphonic black metal is more melodic black with extensive use of keyboards in the music. (see Arcturus, and Emperor). I haven't heard enough Graveworm to be able to tell you if they are symphonic or not but i can tell you that Dimmu Borgir are symphonic black metal and Cradle of Filth are not.

Secondly, Doom metal is metal usually played at slow tempos. If you listen to the band My Dying Bride you will understand what i mean. The point of doom metal nowadays is to basically set an atmosphere of depression and sadness. The vocals are usually growls.

Key albums...
My Dying Bride-As the flower withers
My Dying Bride-The Angel and the Dark River
Virgin Black-Elegant...and dying.

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Arcturus-Aspera Heims Synfonia
Blood Stained Dusk-Dirge of Death's silence
Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse
Emperor-Anthems to the welkin at dusk

All are top notch symphonic black metal albums.



Ok, Symphonic black metal is more melodic black with extensive use of keyboards in the music. (see Arcturus, and Emperor). I haven't heard enough Graveworm to be able to tell you if they are symphonic or not but i can tell you that Dimmu Borgir are symphonic black metal and Cradle of Filth are not.

Secondly, Doom metal is metal usually played at slow tempos. If you listen to the band My Dying Bride you will understand what i mean. The point of doom metal nowadays is to basically set an atmosphere of depression and sadness. The vocals are usually growls.

Key albums...
My Dying Bride-As the flower withers
My Dying Bride-The Angel and the Dark River
Virgin Black-Elegant...and dying.[/QUOTE]

Listen to Graveworm - Dreaming to Reality, I think it is QUITE symphonic, I'd compare Graveworm and some of Dimmu Borgir's songs.

now im too f'in lazy to read this whole thread...
system of a down is sort of nu metal...but theyre music also crosses over to alot of other genre's...but their basic fist pumpin **** is diffently nu metal
now hardcore/metalcore is diffently part of the metal genre. bands like as i lay dying, everytime i die, evergreen terrece, killswitch engage, blood has been shed, bleeding through, are good examples of metalcore. [url]www.hxc.com[/url] does a good job on describing the difference between hardcore's sub-genres.
but for this explination...very good f'in job.
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Greetings fools, i am about to enlighten you all for your foolishness...i pity you pitiful mortal scum.

Elf Metal :- elf vocals and guitars

sludge core goblin metal :- goblin core

iron gore rock/pop :- a mixture of iron gore with lashings of pop/rock

Swedish death techno with happy hardcore undertones

jungle punk with tribal metal influences#

German RnB Metal with underlining doomblood rock/pop

Arabic emo thrash rock with european gypsie trance

Dinosaur metal with steelboot rock with the slightest hint of orc-metal-pop-core Rap.

Gangster metal.

White metal.

Life metal.

SLOW METAL

Fast metal

Adam Shaw gore metal.

Chinese Doom-core mushroom metal.

I AM GOING BACK TO THE UNDERWORLD YOU PITIFUL MORTALS TO LISTEN TO MY rAMSTEIN VERSUS CHEEKY GIRLS LP. IT ROCKS LIKE YO MOM.

I WILL RETURN FROM THE FLAMES TO KILL YOU ALL..... HA HA HAA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA........................PITIFUL MUSICIAN FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT PLAY YOU PITIFUL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

HAA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[QUOTE=MetalGuru]Mnemic has been described as nu-metal before, I'm sure it is to the Danish people, although I don't know for sure. But I would not be surprised if they weren't because really I cannot tell what type of metal they are, they just kick *** and they *sound* quite mainstream, if you know what I am trying to say there. But then again, what is Nu-Metal, alot of people have mixed opinons on that, can someone describe it and Mnemics type to me in COMPLETE CLARITY?[/QUOTE]
You know what, I'll ask them when I have the chance. A friend of mine's related to the singer (and I know him from when he was a bartender at a local bar). I'd classify them as some sort of industrial (fear-factory'ish) rather than nu.

[QUOTE=$yk0_H]You know what, I'll ask them when I have the chance. A friend of mine's related to the singer (and I know him from when he was a bartender at a local bar). I'd classify them as some sort of industrial (fear-factory'ish) rather than nu.[/QUOTE]

As I said before I could be wrong but here...I found the quote that it stated that it has been called UP TO Nu-Metal. It is as follows:

"...People described it as a kind of Thrash Metal, Progressive Metal up to Nu Metal; so they decided to describe their sound as Fusion Future Metal. The music is supported by keyboards, samples and guitarsynths, to create a spacy atmosphere..." (Nuclear Blast Band Bio, [url]http://www.nuclearblastusa.com/bands/mnemic.html[/url]). Now I know you are about to say WELL THERE'S YOUR ANSWER!!! RIGHT THERE. In my opinion Fusion Future is not a type I have acknowledged before. Is that really a type of metal? I think they just made that up.

But ya I could be wrong, I'd be interested in finding out what the lead singer personally describes his band as, and if he says Fusion Future Metal then ask him what that means.
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Opeth - In the Mist She Was Standing

[QUOTE=Megadeth_Guitarist]Greetings fools, i am about to enlighten you all for your foolishness...i pity you pitiful mortal scum.

Elf Metal :- elf vocals and guitars

sludge core goblin metal :- goblin core

iron gore rock/pop :- a mixture of iron gore with lashings of pop/rock

Swedish death techno with happy hardcore undertones

jungle punk with tribal metal influences#

German RnB Metal with underlining doomblood rock/pop

Arabic emo thrash rock with european gypsie trance

Dinosaur metal with steelboot rock with the slightest hint of orc-metal-pop-core Rap.

Gangster metal.

White metal.

Life metal.

SLOW METAL

Fast metal

Adam Shaw gore metal.

Chinese Doom-core mushroom metal.

I AM GOING BACK TO THE UNDERWORLD YOU PITIFUL MORTALS TO LISTEN TO MY rAMSTEIN VERSUS CHEEKY GIRLS LP. IT ROCKS LIKE YO MOM.

I WILL RETURN FROM THE FLAMES TO KILL YOU ALL..... HA HA HAA HA HA HAAAAAAAAA........................PITIFUL MUSICIAN FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT PLAY YOU PITIFUL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

HAA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA[/QUOTE]


Man, how many people acknowledge those silly types you just listed there. I have NEVER heard of anythign like that, there has to be a certain amount of bands to a type for it to be a type you know, I think we can all agree on that. And you were adding different types of types in there that don't count. The only thing I can pick out of that is Oi Metal which you confused with white metal I think. Are you sure on all this.

Oh and btw, Shut The **** Up.
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Mnemic - Zero Gravity

What type of metal is Withering Surface?
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Fear Factory - Cyberwaste

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]SOAD's lyrics touch on a number of political and philosophical issues, and are actually quite deep...once you actually understand them. Alot of the true meaning behind the lyrics is at times superbly concealed, allowing for critics to easily pass it off as childish, stupid, and pointless. Alot of the lyrics are also rather vague and open to interpretation, with a good deal of Avant Guarde influences.

For example...from the song, "Know":
"I will never feed off the evergreen luster of your heart
all because we all live in the valley of the walls
when we speak we can peak from the windows of their mouths
to see the land the women chant as they fly up to the sun.

"Books all say different things while people flap their yellow wings
trying to soar by being a wholre of life and almost everything the
sheep that ran off from the herd may be dead but now's a bird able
to fly able to die able to **** your mother's earth"
[/QUOTE]


If you really believe that man, you need to put down the crack pipe. I think maybe you've been smoking more of the stuff than SOAD!

[QUOTE=11THX3MEM]If you really believe that man, you need to put down the crack pipe. I think maybe you've been smoking more of the stuff than SOAD![/QUOTE]

Dude, they are what he said they are right on the button, I think YOU should put down the crack pipe. I am for SURE that they are political and philosophical and the other things he said make sense. What did you think they were?

Oh and Btw, SOAD's drug of choice is magic mushroomsn, not crack, and you can see why on cover art and look at their pupils during concert,its not just proven in their music.
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Fear Factory - Cyberwaste

What category does Tool fall into?

Great list, forgot a great artist for melodic death : Eternal Tears of Sorrow

Also, you should include grindcore in your list. And i'm glad you didn't list Cradle of filth as black metal, cause i for one think cof sucks. :), but anyways great job on the list. Loved it. I've been listening to black metal for years, and i can't get enough of it ever.

[QUOTE=YouDon'tSeeMe]What category does Tool fall into?[/QUOTE]

Progressive Rock/Metal