Cool thanks Merk

Yeah, it took me a little while to figure out how to get a rasp in my voice. It basically just takes more power and volume, and you have to have confidence in doing it. Now I can get rasp in all 3 of my singing voices... but I still have to work on screaming.

a newbie
 

i have never screamed before in my life, i have done backup singing for my band but normallyi just play keyboards and samples. But our screamer is terrible. He sounds like a f***ing storm outside. What would u recommend to a guy who has no idea what the vocal ranges are? I wanna try to get kinda like a Union Underground type scream, what kinda scream is this?

...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here [url]http://music.download.com/roybratbakken[/url] are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.

[QUOTE=robonez]...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here [url]http://music.download.com/roybratbakken[/url] are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.[/QUOTE]

Good job dude. I checked out shameless....the "whatever comes my way" part is in my head. Keep up the good work. And you played all the instruments? You motherfvckers make me sick with that. I really am thinking about taking guitar lessons at least. I can play rhythm ...kinda...ok..barely. hehe. keep up the good work.

[QUOTE=robonez]...suppose I'm a bit of a screamer.
I have no trouble hitting high notes without using falsetto.
All I did to practise until I could hit all the notes I wanted to hit, was to scream into the pillow, so the neighbors wouldn't call the cops on me.

I just had one rule, if it hurts, find another way.

In the end though, I realized that when I relaxed the throatmuscles, and focused on the abdomen and the lungs, the notes were much easier to hit than when I tried to push it from the throat.

Right here [url]http://music.download.com/roybratbakken[/url] are 4 songs to illustrate!

Rock On!
Roy.[/QUOTE]

I listened to shameless.. Man, that's pure quality!.. Good job! :thumb:

Merkaba could you please listen to this sample of me singing december flower by in flames and come with some tips? [url]http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XIYNVEG15CK70H81QSCUW54B3[/url]

I didn't feel much discomfort singing like that for half an hour.. Other than the fact that my stomach muscles started to hurt like hell afterwards.. hehe, but I guess that's a sign that I'm singing from my gut and that's a good thing right?
(And a sign that I don't work out enough!)

is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Good job dude. I checked out shameless....the "whatever comes my way" part is in my head. Keep up the good work. And you played all the instruments? You motherfvckers make me sick with that. I really am thinking about taking guitar lessons at least. I can play rhythm ...kinda...ok..barely. hehe. keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]


Hey, Merkaba-1!
Thanx for giving it a listen!
Yeah, I sing and play everything on those tunes.

And keep practising!!!!
Lessons..? Dunno, I never took any, not guitar, singing or anything else, but obviously it can be a good thing for lotsa folks!
Seems though, that a lot of my favorite guitarists and singers never took any lessons.

Keep Rockin'!
Roy.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]I listened to shameless.. Man, that's pure quality!.. Good job! :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Hey, Knifeboy!

Thanx for the kind words, dude!

Keep Rockin'!
Roy.

[QUOTE=SevenDeadlySins]is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?[/QUOTE]

I don't know why. But yeah, it can damage your vocal chords

well robonez, whats a good way or whatever to learn guitar without a teacher. Any dvd's thats good or whatever? how did you learn. I want to be able to solo and build my own style. I mean i can play power cords and baic barre cords, but i come up with all of these songs in my head but i cant play the guitar to go along with them! Anyways. Coolstuff.

[QUOTE=SevenDeadlySins]is inward screaming bad for u in anyway?[/QUOTE]
its basically kinda like bending your elbow the wrong way. Over time you can get away with it and build up some flexibility ...moresore than the average, and you might become or naturally be what we might called double jointed. but putting a lot of pressure on them in this manner can greatly increase problematic effects. Its not really in my style, but i would say be careful. and treat it as any other technique. And for god sakes warmdown if youre going to be doing this. If you need warmdown stuff check out my voichelp hotline thread in the communities thread. Why they moved it off of the front page and put it in typed up urls beats me. I'll have to keep a copy of the link so i can just paste it in when i make reference to it.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]Merkaba could you please listen to this sample of me singing december flower by in flames and come with some tips? [url]http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XIYNVEG15CK70H81QSCUW54B3[/url]

I didn't feel much discomfort singing like that for half an hour.. Other than the fact that my stomach muscles started to hurt like hell afterwards.. hehe, but I guess that's a sign that I'm singing from my gut and that's a good thing right?
(And a sign that I don't work out enough!)[/QUOTE] You've got the rasp at least you'll know how to do it. But youre stomach shouldnt be hurting ever, not to mention after just thirty or so minutes. You dont want to squeeze with them unless you've been holding a note or scream and youre at the end of your support. This is why your stomach is feeling it. The stomach will of course have to tighten a bit, but you dont want to crunch it much. I would say practice relaxing. It sounds like your squeezing the throat a bit in an attempt to get the rasp and pressure youre losing by squeezing with stomach. Try to open up the throat, not just the mouth, and relax more when youre just practicing. I think you can eventually find the point where you get a better rasp and tone without the work you seem to be doing and feeling. But youre right there. Keep practicing. And remember that you wont need to push that hard with proper support from the stomach. It shouldnt be a squeeze. Take a breath and begin to say Uh like youre dissapointed but hold it before anything comes out. This can help you feel the pressure. you have to maintain the pressure by not opening up the cords too much. If you do then you'll lose more air instead of vibrating the cords with it and it will be more work to get the sound, this is why i tell people to practice at like half push and force, to make sure that you activate the cords first. Try to sing the notes when you practice...then continue to do this an add a little rasp and push over a period of time, so that you concentrated on the cords keeping the pressure behind them instead of pushing it out to get that raspy sound. Sing the notes first. even for a heavier grittier sound. You'll thankyourself later.

Dude youre doing it to me.
"I'll take whatever comes my way....lean on whoever wants to stay...." (guessin i heard that correctly)

Now I shall burn it to cd and sing it on my way to work! The miracles of technology. I shall check out another one of your songs now. I'll try them all...but im on friggin dial up so its like twenty minutes a piece.
:thumb:

underOATH screaming and cold
 

hey whats up guys,

i've read the whole thread and all the posts about screaming emocore style, but i

1) Can anyone give me directtips on how to scream like spencer of underoath

2) whenever i try to scream it has a thin tone, how do i thicken it up?

3) i notice whenever i have a head/chest cold my singing and screaming quality decreses? is it just me or is this common?

bump
i think this one is more imformative than the other...

Okay, I tried posting on the other one of these...got no help whatsoever so far, except being told to go to a doctor. I have a strong singing voice, very similar to Danzig during the Lucifuge and How the Gods Kill albums. I'm doing harder music right now, with guitars inspired from death and black metal styles. I want to get a scream like Devin Townsend's of Strapping Young Lad, albeit within the confines of my own voice to go with the more aggressive music and lyrics I've been generating. He's got a wide range of sounds he produces and he can still sing, that is pretty much what I want.

Here's the problem. I tried the methods detailed in a a couple of forums on screaming and for me it just doesn't work. Even if I get a scream started, it phases back into a strong clean tone.

I used to do growling death metal type stuff, probably overly throat projecting. I have no gag reflex anymore. Still, my voice is far stronger then it used to be while singing, I just can't get a scream out. Any ideas?

I tried t used the technique at the very beginning of this thread, but it sounds like a lot of air and a tiny bit of girly sounding scream coming out. Any ideas for me?

how does the guy from hawthorne heights do it?

[QUOTE=Uprooted]Okay, I tried posting on the other one of these...got no help whatsoever so far, except being told to go to a doctor. I have a strong singing voice, very similar to Danzig during the Lucifuge and How the Gods Kill albums. I'm doing harder music right now, with guitars inspired from death and black metal styles. I want to get a scream like Devin Townsend's of Strapping Young Lad, albeit within the confines of my own voice to go with the more aggressive music and lyrics I've been generating. He's got a wide range of sounds he produces and he can still sing, that is pretty much what I want.

Here's the problem. I tried the methods detailed in a a couple of forums on screaming and for me it just doesn't work. Even if I get a scream started, it phases back into a strong clean tone.

I used to do growling death metal type stuff, probably overly throat projecting. I have no gag reflex anymore. Still, my voice is far stronger then it used to be while singing, I just can't get a scream out. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]
Got a sample?

Hi there. I have a couple questions, if anyone can answer them. I hope they haven't been asked already, I didn't really want to search through the entire thread to check.
First, just to get things clear, is it not supposed to hurt at all after I scream? 'Cause if so, I'm doing it wrong :rolleyes:
Second, maybe I just need more practice, but it seems like whenever I try to put any force into my falsetto, it becomes full voice. I can get my full voice sounding good, put some grit in it and I'm happy with the sound of that, but I don't want to ruin my vocal chords, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
ES

[QUOTE=echoed_song]Hi there. I have a couple questions, if anyone can answer them. I hope they haven't been asked already, I didn't really want to search through the entire thread to check.
First, just to get things clear, is it not supposed to hurt at all after I scream? 'Cause if so, I'm doing it wrong :rolleyes:
Second, maybe I just need more practice, but it seems like whenever I try to put any force into my falsetto, it becomes full voice. I can get my full voice sounding good, put some grit in it and I'm happy with the sound of that, but I don't want to ruin my vocal chords, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
ES[/QUOTE]
You should never have pain. Ever. Stop whatever youre doing. And go to this link.... [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286232[/url]

You need to learn isolation. If youre zipping your cords closed when you try to add force then youre combining some muscles that dont need to be combined. If you can zip up a high falsetto note into full voice that means youre pretty strong but your cords are the thinnest at higher pitches and more vulnerable to pressure. And if youre trying to scream a note that should be falsetto for you, but youre squeezing it into full voice you can really run into some problems and future damage. You can work that into your vocal workouts but not with alot of push, especially not with a scream push! So please be careful and do some research. Be sure to work on isolation and doing excersizes that allow you to feel your natural falsetto point so you know what you voice you need to use for any given note. This will come automatically after a while.

Glad I asked right away. Though really, the sore throat I've had all day is a bit of a giveaway heh. Shoulda known.
Question though: You said "A note that should be falsetto for you". I thought, from what I read here, that a good scream is not in fact a scream at all so much as a powerful falsetto note, or something? Sorry if I'm not getting this so well... I've only been singing for a year or two, and I always have trouble understanding any aspect of music with words.
Anyway, I will read through those links and keep what you said in mind. Thanks very much for the help.
ES

a scream is a note, done rather wildly with alot of distortion...thats the way i see it. I'm from the country so i guess the lower notes could be called a hollar....
hehe
Well it depends on what kind of scream youre going for. Some screams are straight falsetto. Most people are trying to get a mudvayne or chino or maynard or phil or Cornell "scream" Those are usually falsetto but with a big relaxed throat and the air is scraped off the back of the throat which makes it sound all screamish. But its a matter of knowing what you want and how much vocal cord activation you want to put into the sound. i.e. do you want it to sound like static in key, hehe, or a loud girly like note with rasp... Half of those screams, if done with just the pure tone would be just another note....its the manipulation of the larynx and back of the throa,t or soft palet, that makes it sound so screamy and blasted...it doesnt come from the cords. Of course remember that your soft palet will get irritated and sore also especially if you dont work this stuff out enough. All of the extra air and force irritates that area. So be sure its your cords and not the top of your throat. if its your cords it will be around the adams apple area. And is your speaking voice hoarse or raspy? if so its more of a cords problem or both. If you think its just your palet then its just virgin tissue getting pressure blasted like you would do a sidewalk. ouch

Wow. There's a whole lot of knowledge in that post that I don't posess, but I will try to get your gist, heh. And btw thanks again for all the help man, I have literally no one I can ask about this stuff, and since I also have no one else who can sing for me, I really need to learn it.
As for scream types, I'm thinking Nirvana, mostly, since I'm a big fan of them and I really like Kurt's usage of volume, distortion, and screaming to emphasise things--I try to emulate that. Not sure what category that falls into. I'm not doing anything too heavy, I just want to be able to put some grit and volume into a song, to help express emotion etc.
I'm not really sure how to tell if I'm using my palet or what (not really sure what a palet is, actually...) but I can tell you that my voice hasn't been hoarse or raspy, though I've done a lot of throat-clearing and had a mildly sore throat all day, so kind of on the edge of it. I'm betting I'm using my cords, which I take it I shouldn't be.
I don't know if it's possible, and I do know it's probably asking a lot, but can you explain in what way the larynx/palet are manipulated to get the screamy blasted effect? Any kind of rough idea would be great. But you've already helped lots, so thank you regardless, I won't mind if you don't want to go through all this with me heh.
Thanks again.
ES

Hey man, those high pitched feedback sounding screams that Chino from the Deftones can pull off, that's using a falsetto voice right?

I wish I could scream but I don't think I have much of a talent for it.

[QUOTE=gaslight]Hey man, those high pitched feedback sounding screams that Chino from the Deftones can pull off, that's using a falsetto voice right?

I wish I could scream but I don't think I have much of a talent for it.[/QUOTE]
Yea falsetto, but its usually a supported falsetto, meaning you tense the cords like youre going to sing true voice but you do the falsetto, it gives it more body and tone and ..well support. and once you find the muscles you need to use, its not much talent. Its a matter of training yourself to use the muscles in your larynx independently. For that type of stuff you should be able to get the general sound at almost speaking volume. Again, its as if youre trying to sing high and whisper at the same time. You have to let the cords relax and make sure you have the adams apple(larynx aka voicebox) relaxed and not squeezed up. If you squeeze it, tense it up, or cant isolate the vocal cord actions from the larynx muscles, you can chalk it up. But that thing is anyone can learn it with time.

Ah cool. Whenever I try to scream I always end up like choking/coughing.

[QUOTE=echoed_song]Wow. There's a whole lot of knowledge in that post that I don't posess, but I will try to get your gist, heh. And btw thanks again for all the help man, I have literally no one I can ask about this stuff, and since I also have no one else who can sing for me, I really need to learn it.
As for scream types, I'm thinking Nirvana, mostly, since I'm a big fan of them and I really like Kurt's usage of volume, distortion, and screaming to emphasise things--I try to emulate that. Not sure what category that falls into. I'm not doing anything too heavy, I just want to be able to put some grit and volume into a song, to help express emotion etc.
I'm not really sure how to tell if I'm using my palet or what (not really sure what a palet is, actually...) but I can tell you that my voice hasn't been hoarse or raspy, though I've done a lot of throat-clearing and had a mildly sore throat all day, so kind of on the edge of it. I'm betting I'm using my cords, which I take it I shouldn't be.
I don't know if it's possible, and I do know it's probably asking a lot, but can you explain in what way the larynx/palet are manipulated to get the screamy blasted effect? Any kind of rough idea would be great. But you've already helped lots, so thank you regardless, I won't mind if you don't want to go through all this with me heh.
Thanks again.
ES[/QUOTE]

The soft pallet is the back of your throat like if you were to make a straight line up from your airpipe. The hard palet is the roof of your mouth. But i was saying that it may be the soft that is actually hurting and not your cords. Does your throat hurt when you sing? Without a screaming force, but just normally slide up and down in true voice and see if there is any discomfort. It might not be your cords thats hurting. It may be your soft palet getting irritated from all the air.

The way to make sure youre not using your cords to distort the sound (something you really cant do unless youre just pushing way too hard) is to try to get whatever type of rasp or sound you want with 50% or 60% of push. YOu dont have to push hard if you use technique to get any kind of tone. And alot of guys you see on stage screaming are adding emotion to it, and are straining more to keep their larynx open, and not to push the note. That strain actually takes some of the emotion for the singer, because we all want to be forceful and emote when we sing hard edged stuff, but if you can isolate your muslces , which you will have to be able to do eventually, then you can channel that energy into pulling the larynx down and keeping it open, and still letting the cords be relaxed and flexible. That takes time to learn for those that maybe cant do it yet. BUt its no miracle. What helped me is that i learned that the cords are horizontal and they stretch out and in horizontally, that and doing isolation exercises, and a lot of trial and error which I'm trying to minimize for folks here. it just helped me realize what i was doing and needed to do, as far as muslces go.

But dont get me wrong, I mean as you get stronger, youre gonna be pushing pretty hard and stuff...but if you dont know exactly what youre doing yet, its best to work slowly so that you can lean to work the muscles and tissue and not fatigue them before they've had a chance to workout. :wave: