What other interpretation is there?

And we do have a basic understanding of what not existing is like.
You know that X amount of time before we were born?
Why would after death not be similar?

Theories are produced based on evidence.
And Occam's Razor should apply.
I would entertain other possible theories, but would like to see evidence before committing to one.

[QUOTE=Aes820;18135782]What other interpretation is there?

And we do have a basic understanding of what not existing is like.
You know that X amount of time before we were born?
Why would after death not be similar?

Theories are produced based on evidence.
And Occam's Razor should apply.
I would entertain other possible theories, but would like to see evidence before committing to one.[/QUOTE]

I don't get what you mean Aes, the time befroe you're born is significantly different since you're alive at that point, whereas when you're dead you're .. dead. The former is existance without the capacity to remember and recollect it cause you essentially had no consciousness at that point. The latter, imo, is a compelte lack of all life processes, ergo in terms of perception, nothing.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18135799] the time befroe you're born is significantly different since you're alive at that point[/QUOTE]

and when do you start to be "alive"? conception? probably not, you're two cells then, capable of nothing but reproducing themselves... that will later be your umbilical cord :wave:

Peter Singer has an interesting approach on this. He considers "life" what biology considers life (reproduction, metabolism etc) and a "person" what is a "distinct entity in time and space", e.g. a squirrel that puts nuts away for winter!

[QUOTE=Aes820;18135782]What other interpretation is there?[/quote]
Exactly. We have only what we have been taught by ourselves. And what we are taught is theory alone; for example, gravity is something we all take as a given, a theory proposed that seems to make perfect sense. However, there are some things, regarding gravity, that we cannot test. We cannot test whether gravity still affects a position that an object does not, at that time, occupy. I'm not saying it may be reversed, but it may have different qualities. We can only test gravity on objects that can be affected by our theory. What's to say that gravity changes as we/objects move down the street? I could be wrong of course, I'm no scientist (clearly). But something to think about at least.

[QUOTE=Aes820;18135782]And we do have a basic understanding of what not existing is like.
You know that X amount of time before we were born?
Why would after death not be similar?[/QUOTE]
Why would it? Everyone living has experienced birth, no one living has experienced death. We no **** all about it. We are conditioned to believe that it is the end. If we had been brought up and told that after death, our afterlife was limited only be the scope of our imagination, what would people popularly believe then?

[QUOTE=Aes820;18135782]Theories are produced based on evidence.
And Occam's Razor should apply. [/QUOTE]
All theories become complex as we search for further reason, it seems like they chase something that gets slightly further away with every inch of progress. Occam's razor is a means of simplifying what we have discovered thus far, even though it will inevitably change as we develop as a species. After all, we used to think the world was flat, in fact we were adamant it was so..

[QUOTE=Aes820;18135782]I would entertain other possible theories, but would like to see evidence before committing to one.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying I have theories that people should commit to. If anything, as with most philosophy (although I find the subject very hypocritical in some ways), this only produces problems, not solutions. Scientific theories are a means of getting by with what works for the time being, until we realise how wrong we were.

[QUOTE=El-Ahrairah;18135812]and when do you start to be "alive"? conception? probably not, you're two cells then, capable of nothing but reproducing themselves... that will later be your umbilical cord :wave:

Peter Singer has an interesting approach on this. He considers "life" what biology considers life (reproduction, metabolism etc) and a "person" what is a "distinct entity in time and space", e.g. a squirrel that puts nuts away for winter![/QUOTE]

Playing devil's advocate here you could define someone as alive at that stage, they're a living functioning organism carrying out life processes. They still need to develop but they're a living being.

And you're not two cells at the point of conception btw, they fuse to form a single-celled zygote (which then obviously divides into to and so on).

It's not relevant at all but it reminded me of Dr. Manhattan's awesome line, "A live human body and a deceased human body have the same number of particles. Structurally there's no difference."

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18134733]So yeah, out of interest, how many other forums do you guys go on?[/QUOTE]

This is like the one I go on least. Reddit, a music genre-specific one, two for people building guitar pedals and one for musicians.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18135887]Playing devil's advocate here you could define someone as alive at that stage, they're a living functioning organism carrying out life processes. They still need to develop but they're a living being.

And you're not two cells at the point of conception btw, they fuse to form a single-celled zygote (which then obviously divides into to and so on).

It's not relevant at all but it reminded me of Dr. Manhattan's awesome line, "A live human body and a deceased human body have the same number of particles. Structurally there's no difference."[/QUOTE]

one of the sickest parts of the watchmen

watchmen was a snooze fest

bro it's got some hottie in it

yeah man his blue dick is all over the place its awesome

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18134733]So yeah, out of interest, how many other forums do you guys go on?[/QUOTE]

I'd say im probably more active on HCFX. Sometimes I post on ss.org to point out how gay the dudes on there are. Sometimes TGP is interesting because alot of builders and whatnot post there, but the place is hardcore against lulz. I think the mods are christians or some s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it cause you can't even say something remotely negative without being silenced.

by the way I'm Pewtershmit everywhere but here.

wat wrong one josh

gay

[QUOTE=Zed_Leppelin;18137021]I'd say im probably more active on HCFX. Sometimes I post on ss.org to point out how gay the dudes on there are. Sometimes TGP is interesting because alot of builders and whatnot post there, but the place is hardcore against lulz. I think the mods are christians or some s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it cause you can't even say something remotely negative without being silenced.

by the way I'm Pewtershmit everywhere but here.[/QUOTE]

sup HCFX

You should really stay away from TGP. Those builders that post there? They fund the place, and people get banned just for insulting their pedals or for factual interesting discussion like "This $500 overdrive is just two marshall gov'nors"

It's a place where a bunch of groupthinkers go to highfive eachother about how much money they can waste on boutique gear to impress TAG, because TAG knows TONE!

Get out before you're sucked in...

I'm only on this forum and the soundonsound.com forum, but I don't really go on there unless I have a problem.

That's like when I signed up to Harmony Central. I threw out a lulz and got flamed for half a page

I quit after about 2 posts

Just this forum really. I never vist HC because the reviews are either LOL MY MARSHALL MGDFX100 IS OARSUM 10/10 or "I've been playing guitar for a billion years and I have 400 1/2 guitars which for some reason i believe adds more importance to my opinion".

yeah I hate that, they're the two extremes of HC. I use it for reviews but it's just about shifting through the sh*t.

Hey guys

I know I usually just come pop my head in every once in awhile and disappear, but today I have a real question to ask you guys.


So idk if you remember I'm left handed and have an ibanez RG1570L.

I have an opportunity to possibly buy a 1987 ibanez rg550.

Do you think it would be better quality than my 1570? I've always heard 80's ibanez are the best era for ibanez quality and playability wise.

Let me know!

HC reviews are only good for checking if something has a design fault

[quote=nick911sc;18137778]Hey guys

I know I usually just come pop my head in every once in awhile and disappear, but today I have a real question to ask you guys.


So idk if you remember I'm left handed and have an ibanez RG1570L.

I have an opportunity to possibly buy a 1987 ibanez rg550.

Do you think it would be better quality than my 1570? I've always heard 80's ibanez are the best era for ibanez quality and playability wise.

Let me know![/quote]
do you like the guitar you have now? Does it have something wrong with it that you think the 550 won't? I doubt there is much difference really

get the 550 just for awesomes sake

btw whats up nick?

Today I did my usual routine;

Enthusiastically start recording a song, full of creativity and vigor.

Niggle on not having the bass sound right, or owning a drum kit.

Record 30 bars.

Give up, leaving yet another 1.33 minute track titled 'new song' on my hard drive never to be revisited.

How're ya'll today?

that's stupid and probably why you will never be a great musician

there is no excuse for stopping writing a song because of lack of drums or shoddy sounding bass. there are limitless drum samples that will get the job done and bass can be edited to fit your mix.

as much as i hate to provide this as an example, look at bob dylan. all of his music sounds like ****, but people say he's one of the greatest musicians of all time.

so don't let your own stupidity stop you from writing a song

although harsh put the transporter way, my jedi master has told me the same thing in a much nicer/jedi way

[QUOTE=The Transporter;18138047]why you will never be a great musician
[/QUOTE]

I realised this many, many, many moons ago.

np though, playing guitar is not the most important thing in my world.

Does anyone have Dredg's latest album they wouldn't mind uploading? I've had a scan around and didn't find a decent version and I'm popping out for my tea now. Much obliged.

[QUOTE=The Transporter;18137991]do you like the guitar you have now? Does it have something wrong with it that you think the 550 won't? I doubt there is much difference really[/QUOTE]

Being lefty makes it very difficult to find high quality production guitars. My prestige is great..But its still just an rg(lowest prestige model). 1980s era ibanez's are supposed to be much better quality wise than newer ones.

So I'm thinking of replacing it for the fact that it should in theory have higher quality craftsmanship and such. Playability, tone etc.

[QUOTE=purple_hazer]get the 550 just for awesomes sake

btw whats up nick?[/QUOTE]

This too

Being that I'm such a gilbert fan and they prolly wont ever make a lefty gilbert model the 80's 550 is the closest I'll come!

I'm doing good man. Work all day, play guitar all night(just got back into it after stopping through college...What a mistake)How are you?

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;18137680]That's like when I signed up to Harmony Central. I threw out a lulz and got flamed for half a page

I quit after about 2 posts[/QUOTE]

harmony central is an interesting place. Theres Electric Guitar which is all old dudes and Amps which is metal heads and then theres FX which is wannabe hipsters who for some reason fap over Fender Mustangs and Jaguars.

EDIT: damnit wrong account

thats better