[quote] yeah, thats just opinion. basically, what youre saying is that all death metal you dont personally like, is deathcore

if you do not see how daft that is, you can just keep to your corner because then you won't (want to) understand anything anyone says on the subject [/quote]

Yeah that's basically it.

[quote] They are there because they have to be and most of the time come off as totally forced. [/quote]

Not at all; I'm not sure what kinda deathcore you've been listening to... sounds like emmure on repeat. anything can sound forced if you don't like the way it sounds. I could say that Death's technicality on some of their records sounds forced if I don't like the sound of it.

[QUOTE=masscows;16777597]not true at all, there's lots of poopty death metal I wouldn't call anything close to deathcore

One of the main reasons I find deathcore so intolerable is the fact that it pretty much depends on breakdowns to carry the songs instead of just using them to add a little flavor every now and then. That and like I said before most of it feels so mechanical and doesn't express anything.[/QUOTE]

the poor bands rely on breakdowns and over-use them but the good bands generally just a newer different style of DM.

Honestly most bands who get described as deathcore hardly have that much hardcore influence on their music. It's generally metalcore influence and well as most of us here are massive metalcore fans we can testify that a lot of metalcore (especially these days) has very little hardcore influence to begin with also.

ok I didn't say that they did have hardcore influence. Alot of my favorite death metal bands have a much greater hardcore influence in their music than most deathcore bands but that doesn't make them deathcore because that's not what the label has been taken to mean.

While not usually considered deathcore, this last Dead To Fall album is good. It has more death metal influence than their old stuff and is well produced.

^^agreed

It's the first album of theirs that I really like and now they broke up. Figures!

[QUOTE=masscows;16778075]ok I didn't say that they did have hardcore influence. Alot of my favorite death metal bands have a much greater hardcore influence in their music than most deathcore bands but that doesn't make them deathcore because that's not what the label has been taken to mean.[/QUOTE]

What kind of hardcore influences? What do you consider to be a hardcore influence?

are you talking about Are You Serious? because that blew

[QUOTE=Pete;16778148]are you talking about Are You Serious? because that blew[/QUOTE]

nah, I like it.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16778153]nah, I like it.[/QUOTE]

as did i. Major Rager is so entertaining.

Yeah man!

I like Stupid?

F*ck It?!

"End this song!! With a f*ckin breakdown!!!"

[QUOTE=bringonthebreakdown;16778147]What kind of hardcore influences? What do you consider to be a hardcore influence?[/QUOTE]

punkish rhythms and drumming

[QUOTE=masscows;16778209]punkish rhythms and drumming[/QUOTE]

is that not a punk influence?

dead to fall is atrocious

Your mom is atrocious.

your mom is delicious

She really isn't.

her cooking is

True. She makes great spaghetti!

[QUOTE=bringonthebreakdown;16778263]is that not a punk influence?[/QUOTE]

I said that they are punk influences. Lots of death metal uses them.

Early death metal is basically thrash/speed metal+hardcore+(sometimes)grindcore

A Different Breed Of Killer effin owns.

they're not bad, just nothing I'd bother d/ling

the taste of blood is awseome

[QUOTE=asdemonsburn;16778738]they're not bad, just nothing I'd bother d/ling[/QUOTE]

lol you lazy f*ck!

actually I d/l'ed the leak a long time ago, listened to and deleted it. It's an ok album, but the low "growls" really hinder the sound of the band.

I hadn't noticed. I rarely download anything that's bad, so I don't have to delete much.

[QUOTE=asdemonsburn;16778738]they're not bad, just nothing I'd bother d/ling[/QUOTE]

yeah cant touch vale of pnath or whatever that garbage was called

pretty much, the only deathcore bands I still enjoy are VoM and Burning the Masses