[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13990487]

being so into japan, i am surprised how uneducated you seem...
anime began "when Japanese filmmakers experimented with the animation techniques that were being explored in the West." [/QUOTE]

Anyone can Google "history of anime" and post up whatever they find.
Doesn't change the fact that anime is anime... it's not Western animation. It's not hip for being western animation... it uniquely japanese... until recently when Americans copied it with those damn cheesy *** morning shows on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon.

Lol... I hate your f[I]u[/I]cking pompous attitude. This is twice since you've came back that I've seen it... well, twice that I've pointed it out..:p
[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13968179]
I'm probably one of, if not the most knowledgeable and proficient musicians in D/P (not something to brag about)

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sorry, that's 3 times.
[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13979203]
moogoo's entry was good but its not like he's some jazz drum phenom tbh (no offense)[/QUOTE]
oops... 4 times. In that post... I never even claimed anything about my playing ability.. if that shows how dedicated you are to your academic supremacy.

so... just stop acting like a know-it-all. That's the world's problem.
I'll never claim to know it all, there's no possible way. People need to suck up their egos.

And what makes you know what is hip and what's not?

[QUOTE=Seafroggys;13990669]And what makes you know what is hip and what's not?[/QUOTE]

Bam!! and there's the heart of this argument.

Exactly what I said before... it's all opinion. This is your opinion Cameron... your entitled to it, but to pass it off as truth is ridiculous.

Japanese Enka music is hip... to older japanese. You're not gonna find younger kids listening to it, and it's hard as hell to find in America. Doesn't change the fact that it's really cool music.
To me... it's hip. I don't give a damn whether American's want to add it to their music libraries.

[quote=Super Cameron;13990578]see, you don't understand either

these 20th century innovators got their influences from other places just as the first pioneers of hip did...

as i described earlier, hip began in america

it was the mixing and tension of african, latin, and american (early european settlers) that set the groundwork for our modern culture[/quote]
And that didn't happen in England, Australia, Germany, France and countless other places?
[quote]all modern music is a result of this mixing of cultures unique to america
[/quote] Incorrect. Modern music has grown from a variety of places and continues to influence further development. America is not an island. The world is an open society where ideas have been traded for centuries. Baroque wouldn't be the same if composers didn't travel, jazz wouldn't be the same if jazz players didn't tour...

[quote]it all goes back to things like this example:

cultures mixed when slaves were taken to the carribean and then to the US... further growth occured when the european culture early americans had mixed with these blacks

thus started the growth of hip[/quote]
There are a myriad of different styles of music, not just funk/blues. You should do your homework and realise that.
[quote]also, do your homework... modern electronic music made most of its movement in the us... techno, house, etc. even a lot of composers using electronics did most of their work here[/quote]
This is also incorrect and shows you know nothing of electronic music. Germany was the original hot-house of electronic music and now England and Australia are pushing the boudaries in Drum and Bass, Hard House, Trance and Break; the [I]hip[/I] styles of the current.

[quote]punk is an outcropping and evolution from existentialism to counterculture 60's thinking [B](american)[/B][/quote]
Incorrect again. It is generally accepted that punk grew from a movement [U]against[/U] modern rock music and as a throw back to surf in England.

[quote]metal is a divergence of rock, which came from the white/black hybrid music (blues and gospel) of early america.. [/quote]
Again you ignore the fact that I was highlighting where it came from; Europe.

[quote]of course there are cultures that influence america... they are way older too
but what i said originally is that HIP is uniquely american... modern music is fueled by it causing the rest of the world to imitate us[/quote]
No it's not. You're of that opinion but don't realise that your being UScentric.

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anime WOULDN'T be anime without the west, and who said it was hip anyway? a long time ago, in the cultural timeline, maybe... but certainly it holds little relevance now
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once again, though. My point all along is this.
Where do you get decide what's hip... You'd get your *** kicked by the nerds at cosplay if you said that anime isn't hip anymore.

[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13990721]
you might not like miles davis, for instance, but you cannot ignore his influence on music and culture[/QUOTE]

No ****, but everything else you are saying is just stupid.

^lol, yea that statement was irrelavent.

[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13990818]
moogoo and seafroggys dont understand what 'hip' is

look at it not as what you, as an anime nerd, are interested in

but as development of art and culture

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oh my god... quit with your ego.

I'm not an anime nerd

I just had marmalade for the first time.



It's awesome.

what is it?

[QUOTE=Super Cameron;13990818]
moogoo and seafroggys dont understand what 'hip' is[/QUOTE]

neither do you. So shut up about your elitism and go back to drumming.

When someone uses "hip" in a sentence, is when I know they have no clue what hip is...

It's orange jelly, with like orange peels and stuff in it.

[QUOTE=poopoogaypoon;13991020]When someone uses "hip" in a sentence, is when I know they have no clue what hip is...[/QUOTE]

Such as yourself?

my god this has to be the most retarted argument i've ever seen... who honestly gives a crap what is hip and what is not... you know who decides what the popular music is at any given time? people... whatever style has the majority of people listening to it will be what is "hip" or "in" or whatever the hell you wanna call it... and as soon as someone comes along with something new and interesting the record companies find about a million carbon copy bands and sign them until that type of music is dead... right now it's the "loser" or "freak" image (panic at the disco, hellogoodbye, motion city soundtrack, ok go)... as soon as people get tired of that the record companies will find something else they can mass produce...

there are always exceptions, but for the most part that's how things work... in music, television, art, anything... the cartoon channels have those cheap anime-style shows because that's the popular style... that's what kids like, that's what they'll watch, and that's what get advertisers to pay them for their air time... the only reason andy worhol was famous was because his art was different... in the 60's the majority of people were trying to rebel against everything already established and completely seperate themselves from the culture of the time... andy worhol's paintings were completely different from anything already out there... they honestly weren't anything to rave about (what's so great about soup cans painted in 4 different color themes)... but it was different... the majority of people could understand it... so they bought it...

money makes the world go round... money decides what's popular, and what isn't... what's popular is what sells... and when it's stops selling, it loses support, and dies out...

oh and by the way, you might think rock/jazz/blues or any combination of them dominates the market, but look at the top 10 listened to songs in any given week... for example this week... 5 out of the 10 are hip hop or rap... 3 are pop... 2 are rock... and that's even questionable (MCR and The All-American Rejects)... i'd like to know how that's dominating

rofl, you cought him..

Edit- and you do have a point wesm, but i wasnt part of the hip argument, i was goin for the racism part of it.

That what I was getting at with my post.
Hip is what is percieved as "cool" to somebody...
and nobody thinks alike

The hip is a part of the body.

Okay.


Okay, okay.


There is something I need to say. Something I've been keeping bottled up for a very long freakin' time, and I can't keep it in anymore. I know that I have a lot of things wrong with me, but JESUS CHRIST.


THE ELLIPSIS IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A COMMA OR PERIOD!

If you have an unfinished thought, wish to indicate a pause in dialogue, or are omitting an understood part of speech, then you may use it. Heck, you can use it incorrectly once in a while, but NOT EVERY SENTENCE.

O noes. Super Cameron neg repped me for disagreeing with him.

"Do your homework next time"

How about you try stop being a dick?

funny thing is that word hip isn't even cool any more because nobody says it any more... so the word hip is not hip... also i didn't read who was involved in it and who wasn't or what anyone said... i read a few posts between super cameron and moogoogaipan and the whole thing kinda pissed me off... but yea there is no way to really define what hip or cool is since it's such a relative word... so why is anyone trying... it's like trying to define good music... some people think techno is an abomination on music... i happen to like some of it... just like there's a few rap songs i like (the majority of it i hate, but i like the old 80's and 90's stuff when it used to actually mean something, and some of the more intelligent stuff today)... who's to say what's good and what's not... you can't define a relative term... that's the definition of relative... it's relative to the person, group, area, etc... there is no end to this argument, so just stop... let it go, you're not going to agree... ever

I'm hip because I use the word "Bogus".

haha whatever man... it's like the "is this drummer good or bad" arguments... everyone has a different opinion... and for some reason nobody is ever mature enough to let each other coexist with their own seperate opinions... so whatever... you guys argue amongst yourselves if you want, the whole thing is pointless

[QUOTE=British Boy;13991210]I'm hip because I use the word "Bogus".[/QUOTE]

cowa bunga dude.

OH MY F[B]U[/B]CKING GOD!


I'm having a f[B]u[/B]cking aneurysm.

does it hurt, or is it just bulging?

Not you.


You're readable because you hit enter every few sentences.


But Wes. Come on. It's like one gigantic e-sh[B]i[/B]t.

don't read it then

replace your ...'s with enters

my dvd needs to get here asap