[QUOTE=allalone]It just seems like everyone else is doing stuff and I'm being left out. I just think I'm going be like 21 with no experience whatsoever. I don't know. I guess I'll just wait it out.[/QUOTE]


I wouldnt feel left out if I were you. I respect the fact that you would want to lose it in a meaningful way. I lost my virginity at an early age..and have slept with more people than I would have like to. Its not that I was or am a slut, but looking back at the things I did...well, yah you could call me a slut at one point. A title in which Im not too proud of. But I had my phase and Im done with that.

The boyfriend I have now is the most amazing thing that has ever happened to me. Im soon to be 19, and he is 20 and we get a long amazing. We have been dating for 8 months now and I wish that he had been my first one.

He was a virgin before we got together and I wish I could have shared that experience with him. It wasnt that he was waiting, but he couldnt really find a girl he liked and could stand for longer than 10 minutes, so he just partied and had a good time instead.

He was 20 before he had any real experience, and it was still amazing and for the record THE best I have ever had in more ways than one.

[QUOTE=allalone]It just seems like everyone else is doing stuff and I'm being left out. I just think I'm going be like 21 with no experience whatsoever. I don't know. I guess I'll just wait it out.[/QUOTE]
just dont worry about it :p. if its gonna happen, it'll happen, if it isn't then it wont

I don't see why teenagers feel the necessity to lose their virginity at such an early age. I know there's the hormonal drive to have sex, but I would think that stronger ideals would override such a simple instinct as sex, I guess not though. I just hope that I lose my virginity to a woman that I'm in love with. Perhaps I'm missing out? Maybe If I fu'cked a chick that I was only physically attracted to might change my perspective on promiscuity? I doubt it though, I still view it as an empty road. But for the time being I'm going to keep my virginity till I meet my ideal woman, which most likely, will not happen in high school.

Sex is overrated and I could careless about it.

I'm having flashbacks about Elyse. I should be over her but she keeps popping back up in my head. It's driving me up the friggin' wall. :(

[QUOTE=nobodyblossomsforever]Sex is overrated and I could careless about it.

I'm having flashbacks about Elyse. I should be over her but she keeps popping back up in my head. It's driving me up the friggin' wall. :([/QUOTE]

All I know that works for that is time... I wish there were more remedies for that kind of thing, but unfortunately there's only time and patience, and a good outlook of course.

I ment to post my love problems earlier but I forgot.
Oh well.

Yeah, so I'm in Summer School, I like long talks about politics, and fast cars.
There's this girl you know, her name's Casey. Casey's a total nerd. But in a hott, I would love to get coffee kind of way. She likes physics. Now, that part I'm good with. But uh, see, this other guy, his name's Chris. He's like a total uncool unsocialable nerd. It's unbelieveable. It's just weird, and somehow he asked her out. And then they're going on a date! A date! That I live with I guess. I'll just think that she's having this horrible date and he's totally cowering away in the seat during the movie.

So the next day, me and a friend are discussing with him. His story, and it seems somewhat true, but still crazy. Chris is saying that she started making out with him during the movie. Now 5 minuents later he's saying what SHE WOULD have done if his parents wern't home.

What SHE would have done, meaning that she took the iniative(sp?) to start this fire.

Now with that blow, I'm dying, but as she told him. "She's still on the market" meaning that after that date/makeout session, she doesn't think they're dating, So I guess I have some shot? Anyways, I'm completely lost at what to do. And I really like her but it's like I don't want a makeout session, I want a girlfriend.

Suggestions? Tips?
Also, I don't think my friends would like us dating, but that I don't really care about.

If a woman says she's "still on the market" it means that guy did nothing for her. Perhaps she did initiate things. But he was so bad at it that he struck the hell out.

Just stay casual about it. "Hey, I was going to head out to grab a coffee tomorrow. Join me."

Did you ever watch the movie Office Space? The way Peter approached Joanna after his "liberating" hypno-therapy session is a little goofy, but that's the sort of thing women want to see. They want a guy who's bold enough to go straight for it, but when she says, "Maybe," he shrugs and goes ahead with the plan to eat out anyway with or without her, and when she says, "No," he answers with, "Your loss," and goes ahead with his plans without her.

The whole "Next!" idea is extremely liberating. If you learn to embrace that in the dating scene, you will go very far.

do you really want a girlfriend who pulls shi on the first date w/ some weird nerd imagine what she does w/ all the playas that ask her out its probably some horrible disgusting dirty shi

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]do you really want a girlfriend who pulls shi on the first date w/ some weird nerd imagine what she does w/ all the playas that ask her out its probably some horrible disgusting dirty shi[/QUOTE]

That's an unfair assumption.

I find it to be a rather intriguing double standard. When guys want to make out on the first date, it's just a case of "Boys will be boys." But when a woman is frank about what she wants, she's a slut.

Lotta crap, really.

nah when guys want to they are still sluts chicks are just ok with it

you have to admit though a dick isnt going to be too gross if its seen a lot of action but for a girl who knows what got left behind up in that shi

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]nah when guys want to they are still sluts chicks are just ok with it [/quote]

Words fail me.

[quote]you have to admit though a dick isnt going to be too gross if its seen a lot of action but for a girl who knows what got left behind up in that shi[/QUOTE]

Quick question: Have you done any research whatsoever on the nature of venereal diseases?

Better question: How many women do you talk to regularly and are good friends with? I know a lot of women. One in particular is very frank about her sexual preferences because she sees no reason who it should be a taboo issue. Do you know how many guys she's slept with? 2. And she's firmly stated that she's never had unprotected sex.

So I'm going to ask you for your own sake to get the hell over your archaic stereotypes of sexuality.

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]nah when guys want to they are still sluts chicks are just ok with it

you have to admit though a dick isnt going to be too gross if its seen a lot of action but for a girl who knows what got left behind up in that shi[/QUOTE]

Just quit, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Words fail me.



Quick question: Have you done any research whatsoever on the nature of venereal diseases?

Better question: How many women do you talk to regularly and are good friends with? I know a lot of women. One in particular is very frank about her sexual preferences because she sees no reason who it should be a taboo issue. Do you know how many guys she's slept with? 2. And she's firmly stated that she's never had unprotected sex.

So I'm going to ask you for your own sake to get the hell over your archaic stereotypes of sexuality.[/QUOTE]

don't bother reasoning with FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME

oh and kimmie, i got an interesting story about tonight and the happenings, i just need to type it up

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]Just quit, because you have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

Even though I do agree with you that he needs to shut the f[size=2]u[/size]ck up, I feel that as a [i]somewhat[/i] enlightened male I should bludgeon a semblence of sense into him to avoid my half of the species getting a worse rep than we already have.

Kimmi, I'm not sure if I'm alone on this one, but does it seem to you that a lot of men fail with women because they start thinking of women as the enemy to be conquered?

[QUOTE=Steerpike]That's an unfair assumption.

I find it to be a rather intriguing double standard. When guys want to make out on the first date, it's just a case of "Boys will be boys." But when a woman is frank about what she wants, she's a slut.

Lotta crap, really.[/QUOTE]
This is true


to SantaDuJuan i dont think you should assume anything about this guy, they might've connected or sumthing, and the fact that he is a nerd really shouldnt come into perspective, she might know something you dont (besides shes a nerd).

and she shouldn't be classifed as a slut just for making out (maybe if she did what she said she'd do). again you shouldn't assume anything about him, but he sounds like a tool for spreading stuff like that tho.

I reckon ask her out either way, if it works then tell ur friends to stfu but if it doesnt then no herm done, right

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanther]oh and kimmie, i got an interesting story about tonight and the happenings, i just need to type it up[/QUOTE]


Can't wait, Evan.

[quote=Steerpike]Even though I do agree with you that he needs to shut the **** up, I feel that as a somewhat enlightened male I should bludgeon a semblence of sense into him to avoid my half of the species getting a worse rep than we already have.

Kimmi, I'm not sure if I'm alone on this one, but does it seem to you that a lot of men fail with women because they start thinking of women as the enemy to be conquered?[/quote]

He won't see the point, actually. And sometimes he just spouts off for no reason.

A lot of men fail with women, but there's a lot of women out there who love that sort of thing when a man does it. It's a challenge, or what they expected all along (to be conquered), or even a welcome fight to prove the woman's side of it. Men and women bashing is a common occurrence...good for a laugh on either party's side, or good for a gauntlet, depending upon who wants to pick it up.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]A lot of men fail with women, but there's a lot of women out there who love that sort of thing when a man does it. It's a challenge, or what they expected all along (to be conquered), or even a welcome fight to prove the woman's side of it. Men and women bashing is a common occurrence...good for a laugh on either party's side, or good for a gauntlet, depending upon who wants to pick it up.[/QUOTE]

Let me phrase it a different way.

A lot of men see women as an enemy to be conquered for reasons of spite, selfishness, vengeance, and so on. They don't want to be with a woman, they want to do to her what they dellusionally believe women did to them.

It's weird, but I've actually seen guys who were vindictive, selfish, self-obsessed, spoiled, and overall immature. But they believed their failures with women were not their own fault, but the result of women being manipulative and cruel. They believe their failure to be the fault of women having no taste and not knowing what they want. They never take responsibility for themselves.

I've noticed a lot particularly online, where anonymity allows people to vent without fear of real-world rebuttal. Basically, these are guys unable to affect change in their own lives and take responsibility for their own problems.

I'm not sure what brings about this mindset. But I've heard so many stories from women I've chatted with who encountered these types of men. They always tried to get on his good side. They believed that he really had been hurt by somebody. That they could help him. That they could *gag* change them. But it was only a matter of time before they realized this guy was not a wounded, lonely heart. He was a bitter, immature wanker who cared only about himself, and that he was only laying the angsty act on as an emotional con job. After she leaves him, she becomes the subject of his sob stories about the cold-hearted witches who manipulated and betrayed him.

Perhaps it's only my revelations in the last couple of years, but I'm seeing this more often lately.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]Can't wait, Evan.[/QUOTE]

To sum it up:

Things didn't go as planned. At all. In any way. Possible.

The low point of the evening was when my main man ran into a closest after he did something to girl i like, and she like chased him to the door of the closest. My other friend pushed her into the closest and slammed the door.

I'm gonna insert names so it's easier:
1. Guad - one of my best friends
2. Kaylee - the girl i like

Guad took the opportunity to make out with Kaylee. Kaylee later said, after everything way done and she was home and such, that it was awkward and that nothing would come of it. Since i was the last one left at Guad's house (where it all happened) he told me about it (nobody knew it happened). I proceeding to listing reasons why what he did was wrong and bad, and i hurt him a bit, but nothing too major. He said that if he knew my plans and stuff he wouldn't have gone for it, and that nothing would happen from it. I am inclinded to believe both of them because:
1. Kaylee views making out generally as just making out nothing more
2. Guad wants to get with my ex girlfriend

But that put me in a bad mood at the end, but nobody but Guad saw it.

On a lighter note, kaylee might come over my house on sunday so who knows.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Words fail me.
[/QUOTE]
so are you trying to tell me that all girls do care and they just dont say anything how is it that most guys who just want to get straight to the nasty business have girlfriends do most girls want to get that shi too i dont think so

[QUOTE]

Quick question: Have you done any research whatsoever on the nature of venereal diseases?
[/QUOTE]
no but i have a mouth and shi gets stuck in there way easier than in my dick[QUOTE]
Better question: How many women do you talk to regularly and are good friends with? I know a lot of women. One in particular is very frank about her sexual preferences because she sees no reason who it should be a taboo issue. Do you know how many guys she's slept with? 2. And she's firmly stated that she's never had unprotected sex.

So I'm going to ask you for your own sake to get the hell over your archaic stereotypes of sexuality[/QUOTE]
uh i have a lot of girl friends but i dont talk to them about sex same way i dont talk to my guy friends about it

God, Evan, that's horse manure, on both their parts.

But the fact is, no matter the outcome, it still happened, and it's gonna bother you.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]God, Evan, that's horse manure, on both their parts.[/QUOTE]


what do you mean

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]
But the fact is, no matter the outcome, it still happened, and it's gonna bother you.[/QUOTE]

oh it bothered me, but i'm getting over it

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]so are you trying to tell me that all girls do care and they just dont say anything how is it that most guys who just want to get straight to the nasty business have girlfriends do most girls want to get that shi too i dont think so[/quote]

Punctuation is your friend.

[quote]no but i have a mouth and shi gets stuck in there way easier than in my dick[/quote]

You eat sh[size=2]i[/size]t? You're more head-f[size=2]u[/size]cked than I thought.

[quote]uh i have a lot of girl friends but i dont talk to them about sex same way i dont talk to my guy friends about it[/QUOTE]

Have fun with that, Puritan.

You're done here. Get going so the grown-ups can talk in peace.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Let me phrase it a different way.

A lot of men see women as an enemy to be conquered for reasons of spite, selfishness, vengeance, and so on. They don't want to be with a woman, they want to do to her what they dellusionally believe women did to them.

It's weird, but I've actually seen guys who were vindictive, selfish, self-obsessed, spoiled, and overall immature. But they believed their failures with women were not their own fault, but the result of women being manipulative and cruel. They believe their failure to be the fault of women having no taste and not knowing what they want. They never take responsibility for themselves.

I've noticed a lot particularly online, where anonymity allows people to vent without fear of real-world rebuttal. Basically, these are guys unable to affect change in their own lives and take responsibility for their own problems.

I'm not sure what brings about this mindset. But I've heard so many stories from women I've chatted with who encountered these types of men. They always tried to get on his good side. They believed that he really had been hurt by somebody. That they could help him. That they could *gag* change them. But it was only a matter of time before they realized this guy was not a wounded, lonely heart. He was a bitter, immature wanker who cared only about himself, and that he was only laying the angsty act on as an emotional con job. After she leaves him, she becomes the subject of his sob stories about the cold-hearted witches who manipulated and betrayed him.

Perhaps it's only my revelations in the last couple of years, but I'm seeing this more often lately.[/QUOTE]

And some guys do this all their lives. Women need to understand this and move on. But sometimes it's a co-dependant relationship and that's what women think they need.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Punctuation is your friend.
[/quote]
do you realize that people on this forum say that constantly let me just tell you i wont start using punctuation because you say some shi like that

and the fact is vaginas can get sick easier than dicks its a fact dont question it its a fact ok end of story


btw i talk to girls i have sex w/ about sex just not my girl friends so get used to it

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanther]what do you mean
[/QUOTE]

You can't make me believe that you've guarded your feelings so well that NEITHER of them knew how you felt. There's always a gut feeling with all of us that sees another person's feelings.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]You can't make me believe that you've guarded your feelings so well that NEITHER of them knew how you felt. There's always a gut feeling with all of us that sees another person's feelings.[/QUOTE]

guad kinda knew, but not completely. He said he thought i used to like her but then i didn't anymore.

kaylee on the other hand...i don't know. She's not very good at picking up certain things. And i only see her two or three times a month so who knows what she picked up.

pinkpanther man girls who make out w/ guys who arent their boyfriends are fuked man stay away shes probably got some aids or shi like that its gross man beleive me

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]pinkpanther man girls who make out w/ guys who arent their boyfriends are fuked man stay away shes probably got some aids or shi like that its gross man beleive me[/QUOTE]

i make out with people who aren't my girlfriends

so does that mean they have aids?

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]pinkpanther man girls who make out w/ guys who arent their boyfriends are fuked man stay away shes probably got some aids or shi like that its gross man beleive me[/QUOTE]

You need to grow up. That is all. If you can't be positive in this thread, gtfo.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]And some guys do this all their lives. Women need to understand this and move on. But sometimes it's a co-dependant relationship and that's what women think they need.[/QUOTE]

I see your point.

I feel there's some larger issue involved in some way. But pinning it down is easier said than done.

I guess in part it's the male ego. We never want to admit we're wrong. And then there's the "beauty and the beast" concept that women are told from a young age that they can change the bad boys.

I don't know. I'll probably never figure it out, which is probably why it ends up bugging me the way it does every so often.

[QUOTE=FIGHTCRIMEALLTHETIME]pinkpanther man girls who make out w/ guys who arent their boyfriends are fuked man stay away shes probably got some aids or shi like that its gross man beleive me[/QUOTE]

Why are you still here?