Anyone ever heard of the local bands: Dare I Say, Piercing Valley?

They're really good and I was friends with some of the members.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]Woah, I placed my B9 order on Sunday, and it came today. Most of the people that pre-ordered Promises Kept haven't even gotten theirs and I got mine on grey marble AND a free poster.[/QUOTE]

****! It took 3+ weeks for my Death Before Dishonor pre order package to come.

just appolagizing to buddybigsby for being stupid(me),and asking if anyone likes norma jean?

[QUOTE=shane italian]****it! I always mess up with numbers. 2,600***[/QUOTE]
My brothers apartment in Portland almost costs that much.

Here's what i bought last night at a Distro.

Champion - Come Out Swinging - Bridge Nine - $9.00
Champion - Count Our Numbers - Bridge Nine - $9.00
Give Up The Ghost - Love American - Bridge Nine - $4.00
Outbreak - You Make Us Sick - Bridge Nine - $9.50
Panic - Dying For It - Bridge Nine - $9.00
physical challenge - i quit - rival - $13.00
Terror - Lowest Of The Low - Bridge Nine - $9.00
verse - rebuild - rival - $13.00

[url]http://www.hellfest.com/[/url]

It might be in NJ again this year. Just some speculation. The place it was at last year closed down.

I heard it might be the Starland Ballroom, i'll definately go if it's in NJ again though.

No way it's at Starland. The place holds 2200 max. 1 main stage last year held more than that.

I wish they'd book better bands this year. While I don't mind some of the metal bands they attract fans that annoy me and are ugly. Plus hardcore is better music.

It would be cool if it was up in Syracuse and there was an Earth Crisis reunion show.

I hope it's not in Syracuse, it'd be hard getting up there. Supposedly the guy takes requests on what bands people want to see most. An Earth Crisis reunion would rule.

I have been blasting EC for the past hour.

/puts on Firestorm.

In my top 3 favorite songs.

Someone send me EC stuff on AIM?

Just get soulseek. Aim is annoying to send multiple files.

What's your s/n? I'll send you a few songs.

finchevelle73

Haha Finch and Chevelle. Hahah, well I guess I'm not one to talk.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]/puts on Firestorm.

In my top 3 favorite songs.[/QUOTE]
I could never pick a top 3 list of songs , thats to hard.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Haha Finch and Chevelle. Hahah, well I guess I'm not one to talk.[/QUOTE]
Ya Sk8SKAnj

Chevelle is still cool. My love for Finch has dwindled.

If I ever changed my name it would be FirestormNJ.

Once i get my licence im gunna pull up to my school BLASTING it so loud.

So I got "Firestorm." It's pimp. But I gotta say I'm really digging "Forced To Kill."

Seriously, Firestorm makes me want to take justice into my own hands and beat people up.

[QUOTE=noneed66]Once i get my licence im gunna pull up to my school BLASTING it so loud.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait until I can drive. Insurance where I live is a ton of money though, so I need to get a real job and start saving some money.

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[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Seriously, Firestorm makes me want to take justice into my own hands and beat people up.[/QUOTE]
If i lived in NJ we would start a crew for sure.

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**** EMO

Lolz

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:lol:


OmIgAwd!!111!! mY lyphe is tEh sUxoRz! :upset:

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The **** is f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]ck.

The A Day in Black and White show got cancelled because the venue has been receiving noise complaints :upset:

Speaking of which, SHANE, the Internal Affairs/Stand and Fight/Down to Nothing show also got cancelled. What I said in the IM was that DTN are going to play a backyard show in Diamond Bar that night instead. IM me for the details.

Norma Jean are JC / HC.

Why do people like them? Christianity has no place in hardcore.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]The A Day in Black and White show got cancelled because the venue has been receiving noise complaints :upset:
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Koo's?

New show at The Smell in LA.

ADIBAW/Navies/TRANSISTOR

[QUOTE=tornpictures]Norma Jean are JC / HC.

Why do people like them? Christianity has no place in hardcore.[/QUOTE]

No. I'm actually surprised you would say that, torn.

Hardcore is a place where ANYONE can voice their beliefs or opinions, be it social, political, personal, or even religious. You don't have to agree with it, but they have as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else does. That's the beautiful thing about hardcore. I'm not even remotely Christian, but I support Christian bands the same as I support a straight edge band, a vegan band, a political band, or any other kind of hardcore band.

[QUOTE=tornpictures]Koo's?

New show at The Smell in LA.

ADIBAW/Navies/TRANSISTOR[/QUOTE]

I don't do LA.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]No. I'm actually surprised you would say that, torn.

Hardcore is a place where ANYONE can voice their beliefs or opinions, be it social, political, personal, or even religious. You don't have to agree with it, but they have as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else does. That's the beautiful thing about hardcore. I'm not even remotely Christian, but I support Christian bands the same as I support a straight edge band, a vegan band, a political band, or any other kind of hardcore band.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to explain my feelings on religion in hardcore, or religion in general.

I think religion is evil.
We've dealt with several 'waves' here, first there were the Krishnas. Sounds good huh? Until you read up on the subject. Turns out being a female Krishna isn't too much fun. Go oppression, go!

Then there was Christianity.
Christianity has nothing, NOTHING to do with hardcore.
Hardcore is a counter culture. What's the point in being a counter culture if you're just a mirror of the dominant culture?

Calling your band a 'straight-edge band' or a 'vegan band' or whatever seems silly to me.
I think your beliefs should play a role in what you do musically, artistically, etc. but not so much that you can't think of anything else, know what I mean? This is pretty difficult to word, but I have very strong feelings about this.

Religion (or beliefs) and music should be separate things, but using your music to spread whatever you think is right is a good thing.
Vegan and Youth Crew bands often force their opinion on others. They're sort of dictatorial. That's a bad thing.

I don't really feel like discussing this any further, but you should definitely feel free too. I'll re-join this discussion later on.

I'm pretty tired so excuse the incoherence.

I try and have a high tolerance for militant bands, as I do feel that it's a place where anyone can voice their beliefs, no matter how extreme, so long as someone with an opposing view is willing to voice theirs if they feel so. Sometimes it does go a bit far though. For example, there's a really popular band out here called Seven Generations. They're so militant and Vegan they could give EC a run for their money. At their shows they preach HARD against corporate America, eating meat, and selling out hardcore, etc. Now, I'm all for that, but when they say sh[font=verdana]i[/font]t like "All cops are fu[font=verdana]c[/font]king pigs that deserve to be shot on fuc[font=verdana]k[/font]ing sight", that goes way too far and is obviously made out of ignorance and lack of taste and judgement. My parents are cops and s[font=verdana]h[/font]it like that hits home. So, I've decided not to support Seven Generations. I will never buy merch from them, I will not promote them, and if they are playing a show that I'm at, I will not watch them. This is something that I do very rarely. I'm not even opposing them or putting them down, I'm just choosing not to lend my support.

As for the Christian thing again, I can see what you're saying. However, I think it's evolved beyond being simply a counter-culture. Sure, it still exists in many factions but lyrical content is so across the board now that it's more of a sub-culture than anything. I don't exactly see singing about Christianity as "mirroring" the mainstream culture. I can see where you're coming from if their lyrics are simply blind gospel, that's about as BS as the Westernized Church. However, if a band focuses more on the moral aspects and empowerment of Christianity, then I fail to see how that is any different from straight-edge or youth crew, which I also see nothing wrong with.

To me, hardcore is about emotion and it is about passion. I tried metal for a while and even though I still listen to bands like Nevermore, Cryptopsy, stuff like that, it never really clicked with me. What attracted me to hardcore was the honesty, the sincerity, and the passion that you simply do not find in other forms of music. If a band wants to sing about how much they love Jesus, well then fine. At least they're passionate about something, and in a world where everything seems to be becoming more and more robotic and soulless, that's being a counter-culture if you ask me. So long as the band is truly passionate about what they're saying and not just saying it to sell more records to Facedown Recs' groupies.

Besides, some of the most underrated hardcore bands were Christian. Case in point: The Crucified, Strongarm, Overcome, etc.

Edgers have also lost sight of their 'goals.'

Staying young by not taking drugs was the objective. Now it's being cool, etc.

People don't recognize Christianity as the threat that it is. Religion is holding people back all over the world.

Most of my lyrical inspiration comes from religion. I write about it a lot and usually the best/emotional songs that I write, I've had religion in mind. Why should I not write about something I feel so strongly about?

Minor Threat - Filler, that's a basic idea of my beliefs on religion.