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Squirrel 08-09-2010 01:21 PM

Yeah thats what I just said, thing is though that people become so ingrained in combat with people trained in the exact same art as them that they'd probably come unstuck against even an untrained opponent (not completely, but a surprising amount).

AG 08-09-2010 02:19 PM

Oic

Modern Iconoclast 08-09-2010 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18121829]Hmm, I dunno how true that is. I understand your logic though I don't think it's true.

You can't improve your reflexes and reactions; you can become accustomed to particular moves and stances and learn to work with them, but someone throwing a chair at you isnt really the kind of material people cover at Karate lessons.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? You can absolutely improve your reflexes and reactions. Throw a punch to the average schmuck's face and he's gonna close his eyes and frantically throw his hands up. A trained fighter will block/parry it and immediately move in with a counter attack without flinching. Throw a low kick and watch the fool drop his head and his hands in the perfect setup for a knee to the face. A complete sucker punch is a different story but if a skilled fighter is aware that there's the possibility of violence he's at an advantage over an unskilled opponent.

Kuffuffled 08-09-2010 02:26 PM

I think you just proved that you're defending yourself from attacks you're trained for

The_Mop 08-09-2010 02:50 PM

Not that I know much about fighting, but maybe the whole reactions thing is more improving anticipation...

Anywho, I'm massively stuck in a songwriting rut. Helpabrothaout?

Modern Iconoclast 08-09-2010 02:51 PM

I train for every realistic situation a fighter can find himself in, striking, grappling, weapons whatever. There are techniques that have very specific uses and then there are ones that work regardless of the situation.

I understand what you're saying about people only fighting people trained in the same style though. I see it all the time in tournaments where people don't even use their hands. That's why traditional school>mcdojo.

motogrifo 08-09-2010 05:29 PM

After 3 months of a constant routine of work-drinks-sleep and repeat, I've added two more activities; classes just started and now I have my own business... I'll have to give up sleeping altogether.
Oh, and an old band reunited =/ I'm going to age in an accelerated way this year

Squirrel 08-09-2010 05:59 PM

[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;18121903]Seriously? You can absolutely improve your reflexes and reactions. Throw a punch to the average schmuck's face and he's gonna close his eyes and frantically throw his hands up. A trained fighter will block/parry it and immediately move in with a counter attack without flinching. Throw a low kick and watch the fool drop his head and his hands in the perfect setup for a knee to the face. A complete sucker punch is a different story but if a skilled fighter is aware that there's the possibility of violence he's at an advantage over an unskilled opponent.[/QUOTE]

You've just proved my point; thats not reaction time, thats conditioning. Reaction time and reflexes youre born with.

Blue_Moon 08-09-2010 06:01 PM

im pretty good at the combat scenarios in assassins creed

Modern Iconoclast 08-09-2010 06:06 PM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122158]You've just proved my point; thats not reaction time, thats conditioning. Reaction time and reflexes youre born with.[/QUOTE]

You honestly believe what I'm conditioning ISN'T my reflexes and reaction time? Lol oh wow.

Squirrel 08-09-2010 06:09 PM

It's physically impossible to improve your reaction time. You may be improving your abiltiy to anticipate and react more efficiently to particular moves but it's impossible to improve your inate reaction time; it's god given.

Watch Pernell Whitaker box, you CANNOT be taught to defend like that.

You're conditioning yourself to specific scenarios by reacting in a more efficient and productive manner. You're not increasing the time in which you have to calculate and then react to those actions.


I also believe you're a retard.

Squirrel 08-09-2010 06:19 PM

I'm off to bed now, someone ban this piece of **** while i'm asleep.

Modern Iconoclast 08-09-2010 06:38 PM

Improving reaction time doesn't mean you're [I]increasing[/I] the time you [I]have[/I] to react, you're [I]decreasing[/I] the time it [I]takes[/I] you to react. You honestly cannot be that dumb.

JoshIsNumber3 08-09-2010 09:28 PM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122158]You've just proved my point; thats not reaction time, thats conditioning. Reaction time and reflexes youre born with.[/QUOTE]

False, you can condition your reflexes with behavioral modification, as training would do, and overlearning of stimuli.

benfan 08-10-2010 02:10 AM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18121599]
My sarcasm detector is broken but im gonna assume youre beign serious cause it was an awesome post i have to admit.[/QUOTE]

You would assume right.

You guys are all pussies anyway. You cant be tough until you've comitted to memory the training montages of Rocky I-IV and then Rocky Balboa. We can leave out V for obvious reasons.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 02:59 AM

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;18122331]False, you can condition your reflexes with behavioral modification, as training would do, and overlearning of stimuli.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, last time we spoke you didn't know **** about training whatsoever, so i'm gonna ignore that lolvague post.

[QUOTE]Improving reaction time doesn't mean you're increasing the time you have to react, you're decreasing the time it takes you to react. You honestly cannot be that dumb. [/QUOTE]

Yeah and decreasing that time it takes you to react cannot be changed. You may condition yourself to look for/notice telegraphed behaviours and be better at anticipating movements and angles, which does decrease the time taken to perform an effective defensive or offensive movement, but you're not improving the window in which your sensory neuronal network calculates things. That's god given.

If you practise a martial art of w/e you're honing your senses to that art - particular movements and alike that you become accustomed to. You're not improving how well your brain can computer electric information, you're just adapting to cues and learning through etensive experience.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 03:03 AM

Yeah so I bumped into this guy he was all [B][U]chest and arms[/U][/B] never heard of [U][B]squats in his life[/B][/U] yeah lol you guys get me.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 03:23 AM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122560]I dunno, last time we spoke you didn't know **** about training whatsoever, so i'm gonna ignore that lolvague post.
[/QUOTE]

Red herring much? How is it vague? Through repetition, decreasing the time between intervals, and modifying the salience and magnitude of a stimulus, you can modify and decrease the strength at which reflexive behaviors occur. Furthermore, you can nearly put reflexes on extinction to where responses in the future are less likely to result in automatic behavior.

benfan 08-10-2010 03:51 AM

I think that were gonna see the first ever Mx-lod fight. Someone get an Octagon.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 04:32 AM

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;18122567]Red herring much? How is it vague? Through repetition, decreasing the time between intervals, and modifying the salience and magnitude of a stimulus, you can modify and decrease the strength at which reflexive behaviors occur. Furthermore, you can nearly put reflexes on extinction to where responses in the future are less likely to result in automatic behavior.[/QUOTE]

Links to articles/literature for this? And I don't mean bodybuilding forums or rosstraining etc. Your post seems rather verbose, I get the feeling you're actively trying to make your point more valid through your choice of wording. Infact reading it again man that's a ****ing pretentious post.

I respect you tho Josh casue we go way back and shi. Modern Iconoclast can FO though cause he's a tard.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 04:32 AM

[QUOTE=benfan;18122576]I think that were gonna see the first ever Mx-lod fight. Someone get an Octagon.[/QUOTE]

I was gonna try my hand at MMA bu the doc ruled it out. In fact i'm not allowed any combat sports any more. And he advised against **** like tennis haha.

benfan 08-10-2010 04:48 AM

Well if you cant even play tennis then what the hell can you play. Maybe you should take up Backgammon?

Squirrel 08-10-2010 05:03 AM

Swimming and lifting is what I do mostly.

I play snooker a lot too haha.

benfan 08-10-2010 05:15 AM

I dont understand how you cant play tennis yet you can lift weights?

Squirrel 08-10-2010 05:18 AM

Cause it's an eye injury.

Lifting is ok but anything involving a moving object that could hit me in the eye is a no-no.

Murdererer 08-10-2010 05:25 AM

pwnt

benfan 08-10-2010 05:29 AM

Ahhh i see. Backgammon it is then. Chess isnt a good idea cause a pawn could hit you in the eye.

Godamn Fedex need to hurry up with my delivery so i can go and play some 7 strings i cant afford.

EmbraceRandom 08-10-2010 06:06 AM

What have u ordered?

Blue_Moon 08-10-2010 08:56 AM

ups have a router in the mail for lil' old al, got a tracking no. today ...even though i ordered friday morning >: (

benfan 08-10-2010 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18122678]What have u ordered?[/QUOTE]

Line 6 UX2. Just finished installing all the updates and everything.


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