[QUOTE=evilbadger]Prog: boring and unimaginative?!!!![/QUOTE]
The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]DT are unimaginative, uncreative and unexciting. There music is some of the boringest ever composed.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man!

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?[/QUOTE]
pfft, DT used recurring themes throughout SFAM and SDOIT.

As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man![/QUOTE]
I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...[/QUOTE]



I totally agree, I get tired of linear stuff, i mean

Intro
Verse
chorus
verse2
chorus
chorus

Gets a little tiring.

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/QUOTE]


How about 'Take away my pain' or even 'change of seasons'? A lot of love and emotion put into those.

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/QUOTE]
Lots of people have said this to me...
There is so much emotion and feeling in alot of dream theater's music, just because it is complex doesn't mean that their is no emotion in it.

If you dont believe me, try 'Take away my pain' 'The silent man' 'Hollow years' 'dont look past me' 'honor thy father' and definately 'space dye vest'

Just to mention a few, i could go on for ages.

Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.

No comeback, eh?

Fake emotion..... bull what DT songs you even heard?

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.[/QUOTE]
Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute[/QUOTE]
Overcomposing is the death of emotion.

So emotion isn't complicated?

It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Overcomposing is the death of emotion.[/QUOTE]
Have you even listened to the songs i mentioned? 'Take away my pain' 'the silent man' 'hollow years' are actually quite simple.

Not that i'm saying i agree with your point that overcomposing is the death of emotion, i'm just saying that DT dont always "overcompose" and when they supposedly do, i really dont think that it kills the emotion.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.[/QUOTE]

And you know for a fact that the death of JP's dad isn't 'fresh' in his heart when he plays?

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.[/QUOTE]
I think really emotional experiences stay with you if not forever then at least a long time so therefore there is no real reason why you cant take your time composing a piece conveying them.

[quote=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/quote]
Although I disagree with the wording, I pretty much agree with the logic. Beauty is very important to me in music. There may be beauty and emotion in some DT songs, but for the most part it is covered under a large layer of technical feats. I do not dislike their music because it is complicated, but rather because the complexity and technical-ability overpowers the emotion and the beauty.

I don't ardently dislike DT, and some of their songs are very appealing to me. But for the most part, I only listen to them in small portions.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]


Thankyou for your spiteful and unrelated comments. I will store them in a jar and write a poem about it later.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]

Finnaly the fool is gone

Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?

[QUOTE=eug008]Finnaly the fool is gone[/QUOTE]
Fool? The irony burns.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]
A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?
B. What the hell is 'the scene'?
C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"
D. Why is it "no use arguing with us"? because you cant change our minds? is that what you hoped to achieve?
Penispusher

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?[/QUOTE]

Nah, i'm not that good at poety to be honest. I'll let you field that one :thumb:

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?[/QUOTE]
Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]B. What the hell is 'the scene'?[/QUOTE]
Popular music scene.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"[/QUOTE]
Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.[/QUOTE]


Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.


Popular music scene.


Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.[/QUOTE]
My heads too far up my own arse?? Coming from the one that bought up a completely moot point about his own musicianship when were talking about the muscianship of a band.

Yes, and you probably do know more about the POPULAR music scene, but incase you havn't noticed...we are discussing prog and dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular.

What music do you play Wizard Of Oz

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?[/QUOTE]
It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, its just that when people make claims such as that (especially over the internet), They really should put forward some sort of evidence.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]respected posters[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol:

[quote=The Wizard of Oz]who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.
[/quote] And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular.[/quote] Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?

[QUOTE=Liberi]And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?[/QUOTE]

I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.

I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]
I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre[/quote] As am I.

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.
[/quote] Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.[/QUOTE]
You know.. Different forms of emotional expressions.

Just cause you don't think so, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[QUOTE=Liberi]As am I.

Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.[/QUOTE]
Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'[/QUOTE]

Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.[/QUOTE]
You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well

[quote=evilbadger]Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.[/quote] For the most part I find frustration and anger unattractive in music though. If I want to zone out and not focus on the music, then I'm not opposed to angry or frustrated music. But generally, I cannot see how ugliness and anger could attract somebody.

[quote=inassosiciationwithdeanteacher] You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well[/quote] I have no doubt that it can. I do doubt that Dream Theater do it adequately, with the exception of a few songs.