[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]
I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone wants to be the one going against the grain. It ends up that everyone is going against the grain.[/QUOTE]

That's very well said.

And we do agree a lot, our views on Tool are quite similar. But I must say that Mozart > Beethoven by a long shot.

Yeah, that was very well said. It should be stickied :D

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Yeah, I noticed that a few days ago about Metallica. I guess the same goes for Petrucci, and numerous other things.[/QUOTE]
did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:

[QUOTE=Kage]That's very well said.

And we do agree a lot, our views on Tool are quite similar. But I must say that Mozart > Beethoven by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
Mozart wrote brilliant peices in a matter of minutes, whereas Beethoven took time to write the perfect peice everytime. Also Beethoven gave birth to the Romantic period of music.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:[/QUOTE]
:lol: I was thinking the same thing.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Mozart wrote brilliant peices in a matter of minutes, whereas Beethoven took time to write the perfect peice everytime. Also Beethoven gave birth to the Romantic period of music.[/QUOTE]
The romanticism thing is the only thing I like about Beethoven better than Mozart. Mozart was a downright genius though. Same goes for Beethoven, but I don't know if his musical entity could reach that of Mozart, especially since, like you said, he was able to compose miraculous pieces in minutes.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I said that about the people in the Guitar polls talking down to Kirk and James. I was thinking along the same things as letmypeopleho, but couldn't get it right. He did very well however.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I've done that but only because I was pwning someone and they wouldn't answer back.

I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.

[QUOTE=Kage]I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.[/QUOTE]

I'm waiting to buy Undertow when a good used price comes up. My money is to tight for non-used CDs. :(

I only like the first 4 songs and flood off of undertow... the rest are kinda like filler tracks... along the lines of "(-) ions"...

[QUOTE=madeyadams]Here you go, Blind. Enjoy :) (available to anyone who wants it, also).

Dream Theater - This Dying Soul

[url]http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ORHU9RZA7UM13K2YTTDUV0515[/url][/QUOTE]
That song's awesome.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I'm waiting to buy Undertow when a good used price comes up. My money is to tight for non-used CDs. :([/QUOTE]

I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.

[QUOTE=madeyadams]Here you go, Blind. Enjoy :) (available to anyone who wants it, also).

Dream Theater - This Dying Soul

[url]http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ORHU9RZA7UM13K2YTTDUV0515[/url][/QUOTE]
Awesome. Have I told you recently that you rock, madey?

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]You rock.[/QUOTE]

Oh shi

[QUOTE=Kage]The romanticism thing is the only thing I like about Beethoven better than Mozart. Mozart was a downright genius though. Same goes for Beethoven, but I don't know if his musical entity could reach that of Mozart, especially since, like you said, he was able to compose miraculous pieces in minutes.[/QUOTE]
Mozart seemed to be a phenomenon, like something that God amputated off of himself, and put on the earth to create music.

Beethoven has more songs that I enjoy, he also is the one that made tension (diminished seventh chords) more popular.

[QUOTE=Kage]I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, in the past few months Amazon has been my best friend :p

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Mozart seemed to be a phenomenon, like something that God amputated off of himself, and put on the earth to create music.

Beethoven has more songs that I enjoy, he also is the one that made tension (diminished seventh chords) more popular.[/QUOTE]
I suppose that's true, I might let my utter awe and respect for Mozart get in the way of my actual opinion regarding the two, but I still love Mozart's compositions.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Yeah, in the past few months Amazon has been my best friend :p[/QUOTE]
Same here...what's in your opinion a "good" used price? Because unless it's lower than $3.00 I'm a little disapointed, especially after having found some for like 99 cents.

[QUOTE=Kage]I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.[/QUOTE]
You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.

[QUOTE=Kage]I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.[/QUOTE]
Undertow is so underrated its funny. My favorite song on that album is 4 degrees. I was actually going to mention how unappreciated that album is a while ago.

Prison Sex and 4degrees make that cd. I can listen to those over and over again and not get tired of them.

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.[/QUOTE]
For me it's the kind of album that I don't think about being great unless I'm listening to it (in all fairness, it is WAY overshadowed by the greatness of Aenima and Lateralus). Still an awesome disc, though. I like it better than Opiate.

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.[/QUOTE]
I think it's just as good as Aenima and Lateralus, just harder to appreciate because they hadn't perfected their songwriting skills at that point.

[QUOTE=Kage]I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, most of the CD's I've bought recently were new-used, all in good condition but at a reduced price. All from this local place in my town. And as a result, I've definitely bought more albums this past year than in the rest of my life.

I need to start picking up albums off Amazon. I saw Salival for 35 bucks in 'very good' condition last night. I decided I'd rather whore the album from some of my mx buddies. (Thx to Madey and ThePatient)

Now, Undertow is the only peice of Tool material I have yet to obtain. :cool:

[QUOTE=Kage]For me it's the kind of album that I don't think about being great unless I'm listening to it.[/QUOTE]
That was the problem I had when I first got it. At the time, I had listened to Aenima a lot, and was on a Lateralus (my all-time favorite album) frenzy, so it was easy to put aside and not really realize how good it was unless I was listening to it.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]I need to start picking up albums off Amazon. I saw Salival for 35 bucks in 'very good' condition last night. I decided I'd rather whore the album from some of my mx buddies. (Thx to Madey and ThePatient)[/QUOTE]
You're welcome. I was wondering if you got it since it ended up being like the last post on the page. :D

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]That was the problem I had when I first got it. At the time, I had listened to Aenima a lot, and was on a Lateralus (my all-time favorite album) frenzy, so it was easy to put aside and not really realize how good it was unless I was listening to it.[/QUOTE]
And I got that album first because I loved Sober so much, even though Schism was the song that got me into them. So when I bought it, the first song kinda threw me off because Sober is such a dark, morose song. The first song is more of a metallic, riff-driven thing and not as dark. I threw it aside, and then I got Lateralus as birthday gift and fell in love with that, then Aenima. I went back and found that I loved Undertow as well.

[QUOTE=ThePatient]You're welcome. I was wondering if you got it since it ended up being like the last post on the page. :D[/QUOTE]
Did you get my message on the last page? About how You Lied wasn't in the ZIP. I got it from Madey though, who is quite badarse. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Kage]And I got that album first because I loved Sober so much, even though Schism was the song that got me into them. So when I bought it, the first song kinda threw me off because Sober is such a dark, morose song. The first song is more of a metallic, riff-driven thing and not as dark. I threw it aside, and then I got Lateralus as birthday gift and fell in love with that, then Aenima. I went back and found that I loved Undertow as well.[/QUOTE]
I got Undertow last so I didn't really have that problem. I just think that it almost never gets the appreciation it deserves. Prison Sex's outro gives me chills, anyone else? And 4 degrees is definately one of their best songs to date.