[QUOTE=Silenius]Why, it's triplets at 142, that's not insane...

Now if this were the Winter Madness solo we were talking about then I'd want proof.

ShadowsFallen:All of Kissing the Shadows or just the bridge?[/QUOTE]

There's a difference between being able to "play something" and make something sound good, like the cd. I've had a lot of experiences with people saying they can play this and play that etc, but when I hear them do so, I can't help but laugh.
Example, some kid saying he can play 6 notes per beat at 120bpm (Serrana) and then the recording = complete crap.

Point is, Bed of Razors solo isn't easy just because it's slow. Those string skipped arpeggios will probably cause alot of people problems.

Dream Theater has nothing on DragonForce. At least Li can wank for five minutes and make it fun to listen to.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]
Point is, Bed of Razors solo isn't easy just because it's slow. Those string skipped arpeggios will probably cause alot of people problems.[/QUOTE]
Sure but there are loads of scalar parts and stuff that are pretty easy. As for making it sound good, I guess you just have to master whatever you're playing to make it sound good, it'll come naturally after a while.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Dream Theater has nothing on DragonForce. At least Li can wank for five minutes and make it fun to listen to.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

Big disagreement there. I can't listen to a Dragonforce album for more than 30 minutes, or my head explodes from happiness overload.

Dream Theater makes me want to reach into my skull and slowly scrape out my cerebrum out of sheer boredom. Sounds like we're agreed (to disagree).

It always shocks me when people say DT bores them. I mean, they're far less repetitive and generic than Dragonforce. They've actually evolved as a band, and have tried to be at least somewhat different than other bands in their genre. (ahemunlikedragonforceahem)

Happiness>250 BPM F# mixolydian shredding or whatever the **** is "hard" now-a-days.

Dream Theater has released 10+ albums and DragonForce has yet to release their third. A comparison can hardly be made in that area.

The extreme soloing keeps DF from sounding repetitive or generic at all, so I never get tired of them.

But they sound like all other power metal. I'm not saying they're not awesome, I do love Dragonforce. But DT are just more interesting.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Dream Theater has released 10+ albums and DragonForce has yet to release their third. A comparison can hardly be made in that area.

The extreme soloing keeps DF from sounding repetitive or generic at all, so I never get tired of them.[/QUOTE]
Actually I have the third Dragonforce cd. It's quite good.:thumb:

[QUOTE=Silenius]Actually I have the third Dragonforce cd. It's quite good.:thumb:[/QUOTE]
I do too, and I like it a hell of a lot, but it hasn't been officially released yet.

[QUOTE=toaster135]But they sound like all other power metal. I'm not saying they're not awesome, I do love Dragonforce. But DT are just more interesting.[/QUOTE]
The vocals and riffs and keyboards etc. they use do, but the insane emphasis on soloing sets them apart. It makes it fun for me at least, but I've heard very little DT that I like.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I do too, and I like it a hell of a lot, but it hasn't been officially released yet.
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I actually have an original copy though.:confused:

Dragonforce blow.

[QUOTE=Silenius]I actually have an original copy though.:confused:[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about Sonic Firestorm or Inhuman Rampage? I own Sonic Firestorm too, but Inhuman Rampage isn't released anywhere until January of 2006.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Are you talking about Sonic Firestorm or Inhuman Rampage? I own Sonic Firestorm too, but Inhuman Rampage isn't released anywhere until January of 2006.[/QUOTE]
Inhuman Rampage. I bought it 2 weeks ago. It's not fake either.

[QUOTE=Silenius]Inhuman Rampage. I bought it 2 weeks ago. It's not fake either.[/QUOTE]
How/where? :confused: The worldwide release is Jan. 6.

I have to go listen to some DragonForce now...

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]How/where? :confused: The worldwide release is Jan. 6.[/QUOTE]
Local record store. I was suprised that they had it.

That sounds...weird. Where do you live?

[QUOTE=Mr. Squiggles]I have to go listen to some DragonForce now...[/QUOTE]
I implore you to do so. It will change your life for the METAL! \m/ Also, give it to everyone you know, so as to make Florida a more metal place.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]
I implore you to do so. It will change your life for the METAL! \m/ Also, give it to everyone you know, so as to make Florida a more metal place.[/QUOTE]

I will do that... recomended tracks?

Edit: Florida can really stand to be more metal too..

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]That sounds...weird. Where do you live?
[/QUOTE]
California.

California eh? Must be a promo copy or something.

[QUOTE=Mr. Squiggles]I will do that... recomended tracks?

Edit: Florida can really stand to be more metal too..[/QUOTE]
Through the Fire and Flames
Storming the Burning Fields
Black Winter Night
Starfire
My Spirit Will Go On
Above the Winter Moonlight

Cool, thanks.

/runs to find Dragonforce

On the topic of shredding, have all of you discovered the true secret to amazing shredding? (Neck pickup)

I prefer the bridge. The neck pickup doesn't make me go any faster, it just makes it sound bassier.

Wow. Get a sense of humor.

Tons of power metal bands use it.. it makes speed picking sound awesome. It's obviously not used to enhance speed, but tone.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Wow. Get a sense of humor[/QUOTE]
I was joking. :(

I know what you meant, I just prefer the tone of the bridge. I have yet to hear my tone recorded though, and I think that may give me a better feel for what my tone is like.

The neck is definately much smooth but I prefer the clicky, harsh sound from the bridge same as Alexi. Also, picking near the bridge helps get that sound.

I like neck better, especially for sweeps.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I was joking. :(

I know what you meant, I just prefer the tone of the bridge. I have yet to hear my tone recorded though, and I think that may give me a better feel for what my tone is like.[/QUOTE]

Hey, no worries. :) I'm just feeling a bit hostile tonight, sorry.

I love how the neck pickup sounds with sweep picking.. I still can't understand why Alexi doesn't have one.

I use bridge for rhythm (sp?), and often for leads as well. Mostly because I can't be bothered changing :-D

[QUOTE=toaster135]Hey, no worries. :) I'm just feeling a bit hostile tonight, sorry.

I love how the neck pickup sounds with sweep picking.. I still can't understand why Alexi doesn't have one.[/QUOTE]
It happens. :)

I find it a little stupid that Alexi doesn't have a neck pickup. I use it on the clean channel, and I often play clean. Once I turn on the distortion I stay on the bridge all the time like AR, but lack of a neck would still kill me.

Silenius I completely agree about Wintersun. Jari totally pwns Alexi in technical skill, after listening to that album it's hard to deny that. As far as writing he is undoubably the best songwriter I've ever seen in my entire life. I don't think there are any songs more well written than any one song on that album, not even any Bodom songs. Wintersun I think is on course to be the best metal band ever to hit the face of this earth, one album isn't enough to judge that yet though. It's possible Alexi would even have trouble playing the solo to Beautiful Death or Death and the Healing. As far as the whole composition goes it's so extremely well layered that I hear a new thing everytime, and each instrument isn't so in your face that a lead guitar part isn't in their to be a blazing lead but only to contribute to the overall atmosphere of the music. An extremely unique way of writing music I must say, I don't see a lot of it like that, true genius at work.

ShadowsFallen to avoid dispute you should probably just ignore all that.

Ah the clean channel! A long lost lover. Yes, the neck is preferable especially to tame my amazing, unbelievably powerful EMG active humbucking pickups.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Silenius I completely agree about Wintersun. Jari totally pwns Alexi in technical skill, after listening to that album it's hard to deny that. As far as writing he is undoubably the best songwriter I've ever seen in my entire life. I don't think there are any songs more well written than any one song on that album, not even any Bodom songs. Wintersun I think is on course to be the best metal band ever to hit the face of this earth, one album isn't enough to judge that yet though. It's possible Alexi would even have trouble playing the solo to Beautiful Death or Death and the Healing. As far as the whole composition goes it's so extremely well layered that I hear a new thing everytime, and each instrument isn't so in your face that a lead guitar part isn't in their to be a blazing lead but only to contribute to the overall atmosphere of the music. An extremely unique way of writing music I must say, I don't see a lot of it like that, true genius at work.

ShadowsFallen to avoid dispute you should probably just ignore all that.[/QUOTE]
Agreed :)

[QUOTE=toaster135]Ah the clean channel! A long lost lover. Yes, the neck is preferable especially to tame my amazing, unbelievably powerful EMG active humbucking pickups.[/QUOTE]
I also <3 my savagely potent EMG humbuckers. :)

[QUOTE=IheartSP]ShadowsFallen to avoid dispute you should probably just ignore all that.[/QUOTE]
Sure thing. I'm out of the Wintersun stuff.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen][size=7][b]ONLY FOOLS DON'T LISTEN TO DRAGONFORCE![/b][/size][/QUOTE]


Im a fool then

I know this might seem kind of random and off topic-ish, but since the topic of clean sound is brought up. Is there anyone else here who prefers a classical acoustic guitar over a normal one like a dreadnought? Maybe I am just wierd, but I think the sound it so much better.

And I only half agree to the neck pickup thing. I think it sounds bad when you are speed picking. I only use it on clean tone and for sweeping sometimes. Otherwise, distorted it is useless.

[QUOTE=I_am_hated]Im a fool then[/QUOTE]

He's got a point though...listen to Dragonforce. :mad:

Only 1 album has a complete amount of songs where none stands out, simply because they are perfection (and it isn't Wintersun).

That album is Character, by Dark Tranquillity.

Classicals are a hell of a lot easier to play than a normal acoustic...smaller neck.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Dragonforce blow.[/QUOTE]

yer i kno