I need to get rid of some of the rasp for my harsh vocals...it's just too much rasp and sometimes if my throat is really wet I sound like there is water boiling in my throat...

Here, this is what I sound like. I don't know if I need to do vocals a different way, or what. If someone could listen to this and try to identify what I am doing wrong, please do.

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/0541F0DF386A5DB8[/url]

EDIT: I'm looking for a THICKER sound. More mid freqs I guess, and just more power and thickness.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13461289]I need to get rid of some of the rasp for my harsh vocals...it's just too much rasp and sometimes if my throat is really wet I sound like there is water boiling in my throat...

Here, this is what I sound like. I don't know if I need to do vocals a different way, or what. If someone could listen to this and try to identify what I am doing wrong, please do.

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/0541F0DF386A5DB8[/url]

EDIT: I'm looking for a THICKER sound. More mid freqs I guess, and just more power and thickness.[/QUOTE]


Use your gut? That sounds quite throaty. Plus, you need the actual note behind it. That's just air combined with wispering.

Sing the note/using your diaprham/force air up. Bark like a dog and take note of how your gut creates the distortion. You'll get the hang of it.

dont bark like a dog, make a buzzer sound like aaaaaaaank

See, I just don't know how to do that. I can't figure out how to make it come from my gut... can anyone explain?

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13470728]See, I just don't know how to do that. I can't figure out how to make it come from my gut... can anyone explain?[/QUOTE]

Read merks guides on singing. Getting in touch with your diaprahm.

Lay on your back, breathing with only your nose, so only the lower chest is moving. then hum, very deep so it resonates throughout my body(or as much as you can). You gotta keep your throat lose. Again, read the guides ITT/Jam session that merk wrote.

Just practice scales and glisses.

Remember: harsh vox have the note behind it, it's more than distortion. So sing w/e pitch you feel good with and while doing singing it (somewhat loud), try during that adding "aaannnnnnnkkkk" like a wrong answer sound effect ona game show. Also try barking like a dog kinda pushing out with your gut. You'll notice once you get it. Your throat won't tense at all.

Thanks dude. i'll try it.

EDIT: What are glisses?

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13471690]Thanks dude. i'll try it.

EDIT: What are glisses?[/QUOTE]

Practice in terms with chord isolation. again back to merks guide ITF/ITT

scale. kinda as a siren hitting each note. low to high high to low

Once you get the proper tech down, you'll stop thinking about what you're doing. that's part of the problem. the more you think about anything. the more you **** it up. same with guitar

Find your own range/voice.

okay, so i have a problem: I CAN'T SING. i have no idea what i'm doing wrong. when i sing to myself, i think it actually sounds fine, but since you hear your own voice differently than the others around you, i dont realize it sounds like total ****. merkaba, you've told me before that i have no breath support. well, i worked on that, and it still sounds like total ****. but i think i MAY have found the problem. it might be my tone? but yeah, i just dont think i have the right voice to be a singer. oh well, merk and others, here's a couple recordings. i have to warn you, though, they're total ***:

[url]www.myspace.com/faultytheband[/url]

PLEASE help me! We don't really have anyone else except the bass player, and no matter what, he wont be loud enough!!! so i'm almost all we have to work with.

and another time, I KNOW THOSE RECORDINGS SUCK! you DON'T have to tell me!!!

Hello. I would like to improve my voice greatly. I tried to read the guides here but my English is not that good. I get lost and I don't understand nearly anything :(

I think I have a decent voice but I have some problems;

I think I have a low range. The higher I go, the easier my voice breaks and becomes unstable. At a certain height it's undoable and I must like.. Sound like a girl to go higher.. I don't know what my head voice is, how I can sing more powerfully and.. I basically don't know anything. What I do know though is that it's my biggest love in life. To sing. I sing many hours a day. Not as in practice, but because it's fun. I love singing! Of course, I always try to sing my best et cetera..

I have some recordings (I even have an own made song but it's kinda heavily distorted on the voice) and I guess I just want some help with evolving!

Does anyone who have good knowledge think they can help me? Feel free to add me on MSN if you want; [email]The-PG@hotmail.com[/email]

...I don't know Perhaps Crickets. I can't even get close to the same sound using my gut as i do when i did it with my throat... I can't get the distortion. It just sounds ****ing retarded, it sounds like i'm talking when i'm really pissed off......................................It just agrivates me, i can't figure it out!!!!!!

Give me a link to merkabas lesson, i can't find any good ones.

[quote=slpntrx5;13473831]okay, so i have a problem: I CAN'T SING. i have no idea what i'm doing wrong. when i sing to myself, i think it actually sounds fine, but since you hear your own voice differently than the others around you, i dont realize it sounds like total ****. merkaba, you've told me before that i have no breath support. well, i worked on that, and it still sounds like total ****. but i think i MAY have found the problem. it might be my tone? but yeah, i just dont think i have the right voice to be a singer. oh well, merk and others, here's a couple recordings. i have to warn you, though, they're total ***:

[url]www.myspace.com/faultytheband[/url]

PLEASE help me! We don't really have anyone else except the bass player, and no matter what, he wont be loud enough!!! so i'm almost all we have to work with.

and another time, I KNOW THOSE RECORDINGS SUCK! you DON'T have to tell me!!![/quote]

Your a little flat. Be enthusiastic, sing LOUDER, practice loudly and don't be afraid to sing higher. Just try it.

lol while im singing, i hear my voice in my own head and it sounds high to me. but when i listen back again it sounds like that!

Ok, time after time, i find a song i want to learn, and its a song that requires rasp/deep tone. Hinder, nickelback, shinedown. I've asked this here before i think but dont think i got replies. A link to an online detailed article on this technique would be nice.

basically i wanna know how to add rasp :)
thanks.

[QUOTE=AniMe;13475178]Hello. I would like to improve my voice greatly. I tried to read the guides here but my English is not that good. I get lost and I don't understand nearly anything :(

I think I have a decent voice but I have some problems;

I think I have a low range. The higher I go, the easier my voice breaks and becomes unstable. At a certain height it's undoable and I must like.. Sound like a girl to go higher.. I don't know what my head voice is, how I can sing more powerfully and.. I basically don't know anything. What I do know though is that it's my biggest love in life. To sing. I sing many hours a day. Not as in practice, but because it's fun. I love singing! Of course, I always try to sing my best et cetera..

I have some recordings (I even have an own made song but it's kinda heavily distorted on the voice) and I guess I just want some help with evolving!

Does anyone who have good knowledge think they can help me? Feel free to add me on MSN if you want; [email]The-PG@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]


So when you go higher, your using falsetto? right, the girl like soft voice. To prevent this, if you put a hand on your throat, feel that lump? layrnx(sp?) also known as the adams apple. if you prevent this from going up you wont go into falsetto resulting in using head voice.

Make sure your opening wide and keeping your tongue stuck into the back of your teeth. For vowels the tip of your tongue should never get out of the back of your bottom teeth. The middle of your tongue and your lips shape everything. Also you want to raise your soft pallette, If you breathe into the back of your mouth before singing a note you should feel it go up, or you can feel it with your tongue, try to keep it up like that.

Hopefully all of this maked some sense. alot of this stuff is hard to explain over the internet, i didnt really understand this stuff till i got a teacher.
Good luck :thumb:

[QUOTE=Call Me Jack;13446376]your supposed to drink lots of water while singing right?

would green tea surve the same purpose? just wondering.[/QUOTE]



Well personally i dont care what i drink while i'm singing, its normally coffee with milk instead of cream. But if you wanna be all professional bout it. Yes your supposed to drink alot of water. and if theirs caffeine in green tea, it will dehydrate you faster which is bad. room temperature water is best.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13477034]...I don't know Perhaps Crickets. I can't even get close to the same sound using my gut as i do when i did it with my throat... I can't get the distortion. It just sounds ****ing retarded, it sounds like i'm talking when i'm really pissed off......................................It just agrivates me, i can't figure it out!!!!!!

Give me a link to merkabas lesson, i can't find any good ones.[/QUOTE]

Obviously. It takes practice. You must supply the actual note and use air flow to create the distortion

Lesson link below,
[url]http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13461289]I need to get rid of some of the rasp for my harsh vocals...it's just too much rasp and sometimes if my throat is really wet I sound like there is water boiling in my throat...

Here, this is what I sound like. I don't know if I need to do vocals a different way, or what. If someone could listen to this and try to identify what I am doing wrong, please do.

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/0541F0DF386A5DB8[/url]

EDIT: I'm looking for a THICKER sound. More mid freqs I guess, and just more power and thickness.[/QUOTE]

What you're doing isn't screaming. It's disturbing the phlegm in your throat by closing your vocal cords and pushing a lot of air though them to get rasp.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494930[/url]

Check that out. It'll give you a basic idea of how rasp is generated. You might even be the first to post on it! :eek: :p

Argh, it's good, but you just say what you do, and then you do it. You don't explain the steps you have to go trough and how you do it...


EDIT: but holy ****, your high vocals sound exactly what I want mine to sound like...

Do you think age affects your vocals? :-/

[QUOTE=Merkaba;13415298]
Well youre doing the exact opposite of what your system is used to doing and more than likely intended to do. Of course working out and jogging is wonderful for singing and vocals. Other than that.....youre talking about unorthodoxed techniques so....good luck. I would warm up normally singing wise. You could probablly benefit from taking giant breaths....so big that it kinda hurts and see how deep of a breath you can take. I wouldnt do more than three of these back to back less you run a risk of hyperventilating. :wave:[/QUOTE]
Thanks man. I will take deep breaths before I do it and I will also try not to pull (?) so hard when I inhale.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13482963]Argh, it's good, but you just say what you do, and then you do it. You don't explain the steps you have to go trough and how you do it...


EDIT: but holy ****, your high vocals sound exactly what I want mine to sound like...

Do you think age affects your vocals? :-/[/QUOTE]

No! I'm 16.

Did you listen to the "basics" part? I think it explains the basic rasp technique pretty well.

Yeah but I'm 13!

So - Wait, first off, get on soulseek so talking won't take so long.

Alright. So, I should get a feel for the metallica stuff, then once i get good at that, practice pushing harder, then to go high just raise the pitch? I'm going to listen to your lessons again.

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;13479489]So when you go higher, your using falsetto? right, the girl like soft voice. To prevent this, if you put a hand on your throat, feel that lump? layrnx(sp?) also known as the adams apple. if you prevent this from going up you wont go into falsetto resulting in using head voice.

Make sure your opening wide and keeping your tongue stuck into the back of your teeth. For vowels the tip of your tongue should never get out of the back of your bottom teeth. The middle of your tongue and your lips shape everything. Also you want to raise your soft pallette, If you breathe into the back of your mouth before singing a note you should feel it go up, or you can feel it with your tongue, try to keep it up like that.

Hopefully all of this maked some sense. alot of this stuff is hard to explain over the internet, i didnt really understand this stuff till i got a teacher.
Good luck :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Hmm I can't say I fully understand.. I just get the same results.. I can't get higher pitch unless my larynx goes up.. =(

Sing so that you sound sharp in your head, so other people will hear you on key :p

Toaster get on Soulseek

[QUOTE=AniMe;13500581]Hmm I can't say I fully understand.. I just get the same results.. I can't get higher pitch unless my larynx goes up.. =([/QUOTE]

Its gonna go up a bit. Worry about the sound first. Try posting a sample. What type of note are you talking about here. the more you try to go outside of your natural range the harder it will be.

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;13479469]Ok, time after time, i find a song i want to learn, and its a song that requires rasp/deep tone. Hinder, nickelback, shinedown. I've asked this here before i think but dont think i got replies. A link to an online detailed article on this technique would be nice.

basically i wanna know how to add rasp :)
thanks.[/QUOTE]
Shinedown....Brent I think he is "baritenor"...or "heldentenor" He has a deeper baritone type of feel but doesnt loose alot at his upper true range. I'm a fan of the group and I've listened and sang along quite a few times. Regardless, remember that if youre trying to sing someone elses style before you know your own limits you are doing yourself a great injustice. So try to sing the song in an operatic voice first with no rasp or screaming, and at a mid volume and see how you can do. I think nickelback and hinder are "safer" to mimic than shinedown.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13482963]Argh, it's good, but you just say what you do, and then you do it. You don't explain the steps you have to go trough and how you do it...


EDIT: but holy ****, your high vocals sound exactly what I want mine to sound like...

Do you think age affects your vocals? :-/[/QUOTE]

lol...Most little kids are altos and sopranos...regardless of gender. As you age, as a male, your voice box gets bigger and your cords get longer and thicker. Think goinf from thin High E string in a tweeter box to thick low e strings in a woofer box. Where you end up at after puberty, usually around 16 to 18 is where youre gonna be. And you cannot change that range. You can manipulate it but thats about it. Its like bone size. So if youre 13 you probably....PROBABLY have some changing to go through. Post a sample if you can. Start on middle C and sing up one note at a time. If you dont know where middle C is....then you should get to googling.

I have alot of musically experience, don't worry. My voice is pretty low, i think.

Toaster pretty much explained everything to me, i don't need any more help. Thank you though.

Hey guys, I have quick question. When singing with a mic, how loud is too loud? Assuming I'm locked inside a bedroom (about 14x12 ft and without a mic) with a bed, how loud should I be singing? Right now, I'm sick, so I don't push my voice a lot but when I do sing, I usually tend to fill the room with my voice.

I don't know anything about singing, but people say my singer needs to get better and I don't know what to tell him. I think he's got potential, but he hasn't had lessons or anything.

So here's our band website [url]http://www.myspace.com/theindustrync[/url]

What do you guys think he could do to help his singing? The song we like the most is Decline Of Western Civilization so tips for that song would be appreciated. And please don't say lessons... I understand how much lessons can help, but that's not really an option.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]And you cannot change that range. You can manipulate it but thats about it.[/QUOTE]

what? then how do some adults expand their vocal range?

[QUOTE=Merkaba;13512457]Shinedown....Brent I think he is "baritenor"...or "heldentenor" He has a deeper baritone type of feel but doesnt loose alot at his upper true range. I'm a fan of the group and I've listened and sang along quite a few times. Regardless, remember that if youre trying to sing someone elses style before you know your own limits you are doing yourself a great injustice. So try to sing the song in an operatic voice first with no rasp or screaming, and at a mid volume and see how you can do. I think nickelback and hinder are "safer" to mimic than shinedown.

[/QUOTE]

Most of the songs i want to sing with rasp, i've already tried with no rasp.:chug:

[QUOTE=Xero09;13522359]Hey guys, I have quick question. When singing with a mic, how loud is too loud? Assuming I'm locked inside a bedroom (about 14x12 ft and without a mic) with a bed, how loud should I be singing? Right now, I'm sick, so I don't push my voice a lot but when I do sing, I usually tend to fill the room with my voice.[/QUOTE]

You should be able to sing at different volume levels, when you get a mic, try out what sounds good to you.

would you guys recomend Vocal Release with Eric Frey
Heres a link:
[url]http://www.vocalrelease.com/[/url]

Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [/QUOTE]

which one, there are several notes in there.

I hear an G and an A, maybe an f#.

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?[/QUOTE]

Cove is a tenor I'm sure. He's not far behing Anthony Greene. Both are pretty blessed. If youre a baritone then good luck. People need to understand this and i hope more people in the future will try to state whether or not they are baritone or bass or tenor or whatever they might think they are.

Actually this part is not all THAT high and I'm pretty sure its not falsetto, especially for him. If you can't hit it without using falsetto youre probably in the baritone area. Voice mechanisms can be stretched and challenged but its gonna be hard to maintain singing out of your born range. Age also plays a factor. If youre generally under 17 you might have some more changing to undergo.

Can you post a sample?

.....
Actually after listening to that clip again...he might be right at his lower falsetto area.

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?[/QUOTE]

Cove is a tenor I'm sure. He's not far behind Anthony Greene. Both are pretty blessed. If youre a baritone then good luck. People need to understand this and i hope more people in the future will try to state whether or not they are baritone or bass or tenor or whatever they might think they are.

Actually this part is not all THAT high and I'm pretty sure its not falsetto, especially for him. If you can't hit it youre probably in the baritone area. Voice mechanisms can be stretched and challenged but its gonna be hard to maintain singing out of your born range. Age also plays a factor. If youre generally under 17 you might have some more changing to undergo.

Can you post a sample?

mkay, i know i've made about 3 billion of the same posts, but i'd just really like to know what i'm doing wrong, and what exercises or whatever i can do??? i promise this is the last time i'll ask. and just to make your ears bleed, here's a link:

myspace.com/faultytheband

I'll post a clip as soon as I can (I need a mic). However, how do I know whether I'm a baritone/tenor/etc?

I was looking to give singing a try, and lessons aren't really an option right now, because I can't afford them. What are some good books/DVD's to start with?

I've just been playing around with it, trying to match my voice to scales on guitar. I'm just looking to be able to stay on key, that's really all that concerns me now.