[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are not symphonic black metal.[/QUOTE]

someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?

[QUOTE=the pet beaver on bass]someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?[/QUOTE]

Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)[/QUOTE]

:thumb: thanks man, ill stay on the straight and narrow from now on

ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)

[QUOTE]ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be able to tell you many gothic metal bands past Lacuna Coil, that's not really my genre of music.

would my dying bride be considered goth metal?

[QUOTE]would my dying bride be considered goth metal?[/QUOTE]

Nope, they are doom metal.

Very gothic though.

i learned something today as i took a step out of the punk forum

What about grindcore
 

What about grindcore?

the search feature does wonders

[QUOTE=Jondur]Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc[/QUOTE]

What about folk/viking, atmostpheric, avante-garde, electronic, technical, gothic, metal core, sludge, NWOBHM, hardcore, neoclassical, ambient, groove, stoner, brutal, post thrash, and industrial?

You either fortgot them, or they're too specific.

Also, what's the difference between speed and thrash?

[url]www.metal-archives.com[/url] makes you think there is a difference.

Do you not think that in 850+ posts of this thread, the vast majority of those haven't already been tackled?

And anyway, it was said in the first post of the thread that it's a basic guide, not an exhaustive one.

Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
[U]Factors[/U]
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that [I]caused[/I] the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than [I]off[/I] of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of [I]inexistence[/I] , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.

[QUOTE=Phil Anselmo]Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
[U]Factors[/U]
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that [I]caused[/I] the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than [I]off[/I] of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of [I]inexistence[/I] , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.[/QUOTE]

That made about as much sense as the dialogue of the Matrix movies.

Prodigous. Simply prodigous.

i like i like good job :thumb:

I smell a device! Please, go on!

Perfecto :thumb:

what about Sevendust what genre of metal would ya'll "label" them as

I disagree with the term "thrash metal." That genre is "speed metal." Thrash is bands like DRI and COC and was a crossover genre; speed metal is the genre from Metallica onward that didn't quite make it to death metal.

Otherwise, nice list! And I agree about nu-metal... blecch!

Also, I'm not sure NSBM bands hate anyone of non-Aryan descent. More likely, they seem to want an Aryans only homeland in Northern Europe, and for the rest of us to go back to wherever is most appropriate. It's more important to listen to healthy nationalistic bands like Immortal, Burzum, Enslaved and Bathory.

Well I always thought that speed was something like "proto power" ala walls of jericho or battalions of fear for example.

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

What is 'brutal" metal?

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

What is "Raw" metal?

What is neoclassical?

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

What is "Darkwave" metal?

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

What is "Sludge" metal?

What is "Ambient" metal?

What is "Experimental"?

What is "Groove" metal?

What is "Technical" metal?

I'd really appreciate if someone could help me define these styles of metal.

Use the search button.

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Use the search button.[/QUOTE]
Gee, and I thought I was lazy...

cool list. i like viking/folk metal. elvenking :thumb:

he did talk about power metal if you didnt read all of it its not his fault and the core bull or the hardcore (same****) suk *** and yes i would like to rename nu- metal too and name it nu-sh1t

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

I know people who say thrash metal is a mix of speed metal and punk, but then, they might be talking bollocks. I really don't know. They're both pretty similar anyway. Post-thrash, I guess, is thrash- influenced music after the glory era of thrash (so relying heavily on open E riffing and such). Thrashcore, I really couldn't say. Most of the time, you can just take any genre you like and add -core at the end.

What is 'brutal" metal?

Brutal is usually death/black/grindcore, all that stuff, the most extreme side of metal.

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

Grindcore is short bursts of noise rarely lasting over a minute, with (in the old Earache days anyway) terrible production and sometimes political protest lyrics (old Napalm Death, for instance). Mallcore is nu metal, basically; what all the kids who hang out at the mall listen to (I live in England so we don't really have that concept here). Hardcore is an evolution of punk with harder, faster guitars, eg. Minor Threat. Metalcore is hardcore with metal elements added.

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

I've heard both Arcturus and Mr Bungle described as avant-garde metal, so I think it's just a style of metal which incorporates a lot of other styles of music as well.

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

Most black metal is fairly atmospheric, I don't know about the genre atmospheric metal on its own.

What is "Raw" metal?

The production on black metal records is often described as raw, because it has a very low budget sound. Again, I don't know about the genre "raw metal".

What is neoclassical?

Neoclassical uses classical influences and puts them into metal-styled songs, eg. Yngwie Malmsteen, Ozzy Osbourne to an extent.

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

NWOBHM stands for New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, it's stuff like Iron Maiden, all the British metal of that era.

What is "Darkwave" metal?

I guess Mortiis is kind of darkwave, it's new wave influenced, but with a dark edge. I never really considered it metal, if that's what it is.

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

I think (but I'm not sure) electronic uses programmed drum machines, samples, etc. more prominently than industrial metal, which uses palm muting to get machine-like sounds. But I really don't know, I may well be wrong.

What is "Sludge" metal?

I've heard Sunn O))) called sludge, so if that's sludge, sludge is incredibly slow, droning music, like slowed-down doom metal.

What is "Ambient" metal?

Not sure, but a lot of BM contains ambient parts.

What is "Experimental"?

Experimental is exactly what it says on the tin. Anything which differentiates somewhat from what a band's contemporaries are doing at the time.

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.

What is "Technical" metal?

Technical metal is anything using odd time changes, song structures etc. Meshuggah is a good example.

Sorry if I got any of these wrong, genre categorisation isn't really my field of expertise.

[QUOTE=craggyisland]What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.
[/QUOTE]

Check out Down (featuring Pantera singer Phil Anselmo) and White Zombie's album "La Sexorcisto", that should give you a pretty good idea.

In essential, it can be described as metal on pot, or, perhaps not as accurately, psychedelic heavy metal.

Try listening to down's album "Nola" when you're drunk, and you'll see what I mean

Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.

[QUOTE=psychoticreflex]Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.[/QUOTE]

Dunno. Prolly something like Synth-powered Death. Def. not black, althought the evil and satanic references are all over the place

Children of Bodom is power metal with harsh vocals.

[QUOTE=craggyisland]What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

I know people who say thrash metal is a mix of speed metal and punk, but then, they might be talking bollocks. I really don't know. They're both pretty similar anyway. Post-thrash, I guess, is thrash- influenced music after the glory era of thrash (so relying heavily on open E riffing and such). Thrashcore, I really couldn't say. Most of the time, you can just take any genre you like and add -core at the end.

What is 'brutal" metal?

Brutal is usually death/black/grindcore, all that stuff, the most extreme side of metal.

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

Grindcore is short bursts of noise rarely lasting over a minute, with (in the old Earache days anyway) terrible production and sometimes political protest lyrics (old Napalm Death, for instance). Mallcore is nu metal, basically; what all the kids who hang out at the mall listen to (I live in England so we don't really have that concept here). Hardcore is an evolution of punk with harder, faster guitars, eg. Minor Threat. Metalcore is hardcore with metal elements added.

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

I've heard both Arcturus and Mr Bungle described as avant-garde metal, so I think it's just a style of metal which incorporates a lot of other styles of music as well.

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

Most black metal is fairly atmospheric, I don't know about the genre atmospheric metal on its own.

What is "Raw" metal?

The production on black metal records is often described as raw, because it has a very low budget sound. Again, I don't know about the genre "raw metal".

What is neoclassical?

Neoclassical uses classical influences and puts them into metal-styled songs, eg. Yngwie Malmsteen, Ozzy Osbourne to an extent.

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

NWOBHM stands for New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, it's stuff like Iron Maiden, all the British metal of that era.

What is "Darkwave" metal?

I guess Mortiis is kind of darkwave, it's new wave influenced, but with a dark edge. I never really considered it metal, if that's what it is.

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

I think (but I'm not sure) electronic uses programmed drum machines, samples, etc. more prominently than industrial metal, which uses palm muting to get machine-like sounds. But I really don't know, I may well be wrong.

What is "Sludge" metal?

I've heard Sunn O))) called sludge, so if that's sludge, sludge is incredibly slow, droning music, like slowed-down doom metal.

What is "Ambient" metal?

Not sure, but a lot of BM contains ambient parts.

What is "Experimental"?

Experimental is exactly what it says on the tin. Anything which differentiates somewhat from what a band's contemporaries are doing at the time.

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.

What is "Technical" metal?

Technical metal is anything using odd time changes, song structures etc. Meshuggah is a good example.

Sorry if I got any of these wrong, genre categorisation isn't really my field of expertise.[/QUOTE]
Thanks so much!!!!! You rock, you are very smart! I could never know that much about metal genres.

Children of Bodom is Power/Speed Metal with harsh vocals

SInergy is power metal

Dream theater progressive

No problem at all, man. :thumb:

[Thumb]this list really helped

**** crappy computer from hell

let me ask something...what is "fusion"?

Fusion is a variation on jazz..I'm not familiar enough with it to describe the sound. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew and Bill Bruford - One of a Kind are examples of fusion albums, I think. Cynic have a lot of fusion in their sound as well.

If you want a better description, check out the Jazz & Funk forum. Either look up an old thread, or start one asking.

[QUOTE=MetalFan]let me ask something...what is "fusion"?[/QUOTE]

I think its a mix between rock and free-form jazz

What would you classify Type O Negative as?

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]At the request of the mods, I'm making this thread to get stickied. Seeing as how there are numerous threads asking "What's the difference between genre X and genre Y?", hopefully this will curb some of those. NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine.

[U]Traditional heavy Metal[/U]
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

[U]Thrash metal[/U]
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.

[U]Doom Metal[/U]
Where thrash metal concentrates on being fast and aggressive, doom concentrates on being slower, lower and groovier. Many consider Black Sabbath to be the fathers of doom. Typically the music is slow and heavy. Guitars are tuned down and the vocals are usually clean, although growls do slip in on occasion. Also, while death and black metal are generally more aggressive lyrically, doom metal is very meloncholic, depressive and gives an extremly dark vibe. The music can range quite a bit from the extremely slloooooow all clean vocals, to the faster (but still relatively slow) doom/death bands. Check out [url]http://www.doom-metal.com[/url] for some good information and a pretty large list of bands. Key bands: Candlemass, St. Vitus, Unsilence, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost etc etc.

[U]Death Metal[/U]
Death metal is the opposite end of the spectrum from doom metal. There are a few different schools of death metal. Generally speaking though, the music is fast, aggressive, low. The bass line is usually more pronounced than in other metal sub-genres. The vocal style is trademark to death metal. Usually vocals are growled or grunted. Blast beat drums are very prevalent. The most common misconception is that death metal is all about death and gore and killing and the likes. This is most certainly not the case. While many bands do sing about this type of thing, there are tons of great bands that do not limit themselves to lyrics like that. Lyrics can range to include religion, spirituality, fantasy and beyond. The music can range from the very aggressive and brutal (Aborted, Iniquity, Suffocation) to the more melodic (Ebony Tears, At The Gates) to the very technical (Atheist, Cynic). Key bands: Lykathea Aflame, Mithras, Morbid Angel, Behemoth (older stuff was black metal), Opeth, Immolation, Blood Red Throne, Entombed, Unleashed, Sinners Bleed.

[U]Melodic death metal[/U]
An obvious sub-genre to death metal, it's becoming popular enough that I think it deserves it's own little section. Basically, it incorporates more melody. What it lacks in brutallity, it more than makes up for in melodic grooves. The vocals are typically not as harsh, there may or may not be as many blast beats. Key Bands: At The Gates, In Flames, Ebony Tears, Carcass (Heartwork mainly), Aeternus, Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Norther.

[U]Black Metal[/U]
My own personaly favorite and particular area of expertise. Black metal and death metal are quite closely related. While death is focused on the shear brutallity, black metal is focused more on creating atmosphere. The music is typically higher pitched with less of a bass line. Some bands incorporate the use of keyboards or synthesizers. The production is quite often pretty bad giving it a raw or "trOO necro" quality. Tremelo picking abounds, blast beats are not as prevalent as in death metal but are still there quite often. The vocals are generally high pitched shreiked or screamed. The music can range from the "trOO necro" bands (Darkthrone) to the more melodic (Naglfar) to the very sophisticated orchestral atmospheric (Arcturus). A common misconception about black metal is that all the bands are Satanist and sing about Satan. While many bands are Satanic or anti-christian (note the distinct difference), that is not the case with all black metal bands. Lyrics can range from Satanic to fantasy to witchcraft to just about anything. Many black metal bands are very paganistic in ideology and see the christian church as an intruder in their native lands, leading to the very deep seeded hatred for christianity. Unfortunately, black metal also has a sub-genre known as NSBM. National Socialist Black Metal. While I do listen to quite a few of those bands because I like the music, lyrically many black metal bands are very racist against not only Blacks or Jews, but anyone of non-aryan decent. Key bands: Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Nargaroth, Emperor, Bathory, Immortal, Beherit, Graveland, Gorgoroth, Moonblood, Samael.

[U]Progressive metal[/U]
A newer genre (relatively speaking), prog metal incorporates the general aggression of heavy metal with the progressive rock sound of the late 70's. Generally speaking, the music has lots of different aspects including key and time changes, unique riffing and such. The level of musicianship is typically extremly high. Dream Theater is by far the most popular band in this genre. The music is generally quite technical. Key Bands: Dream Theater, Queensryche, Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink, Aghora, Gordian Knot, Racer X.

[U]Nu-metal[/U]
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a [i]general[/i] guideline for the noob who's just getting into metal that otherwise would have posted a "What's the difference" thread. Feel free to agree or disagree. With any genre, there are bands that cross over and blur the lines. Your best bet if you're new to any genre of metal is to go out find a list of bands in the genre you're interested in. Download a couple songs from a bunch of different bands and then make your own distinctions.[/QUOTE]






Exactly what i had in mind. :)