haha, thanks. we will just agree to disagree then. i am just happy for them they are doing good, since they are real nice guys. and thanks again for the interpunk tip for getting the portrait cd.

I don't know where else to post this. Is there anyone else who prefers [I]March On Electric Children[/I] over their debut? Sure, it's leaning a bit more on BPIB, but musically imo it's better than [I]This Adultery is Ripe[/I].

[QUOTE=Happymeal]I don't know where else to post this. Is there anyone else who prefers [I]March On Electric Children[/I] over their debut? Sure, it's leaning a bit more on BPIB, but musically imo it's better than [I]This Adultery is Ripe[/I].[/QUOTE]

I find [I]March On Electric Children[/I] is not really cohesive. Sure, they've progressed musically but the focus isn't really on the music. I don't know, [I]This Adultery Is Ripe[/I] still stands as the album that is the most cohesive, spastic, focused, hard-hitting, well I could go on forever.

[url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6165491#post6165491]Even against DFelon's arguments, some people are beyond help[/url].

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger][url=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6165491#post6165491]Even against DFelon's arguments, some people are beyond help[/url].[/QUOTE]

I cant believe you!

Im not sure how youd classify Glassjaw, are they emo/screamo? Because obviously I know nothing so i must ask before I say anything.

[QUOTE=vallely2004]I cant believe you![/QUOTE]
Why?

Do you know how many times your argument has been posted and easily refuted in here?

If anything, I'd love for you to take it in here so even more people can display how wrong you are.

[QUOTE=vallely2004]
Im not sure how youd classify Glassjaw, are they emo/screamo? Because obviously I know nothing so i must ask before I say anything.[/QUOTE]
Glassjaw is mostly just a rock band, though they have some small and relatively insufficient ties to emo.

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]Why?

Do you know how many times your argument has been posted and easily refuted in here?

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None, i just searched for my username and the name 'vallely' as some refer to me as it, in this forum and I couldnt find any matches! :thumb:

[QUOTE=vallely2004]None, i just searched for my username and the name 'vallely' as some refer to me as it, in this forum and I couldnt find any matches! :thumb:[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the argument you presented that MCR is an emo band, which is wrong and has been shown to be wrong many times in this thread.

[QUOTE=september endings][I]Genre isn't about opinion.[/I]


I was getting at the point that emo is different to everyone, and varies much. From Damien Rice, Taking Back Sunday, to My Chemical Romance, to Saves the Day. That certain songs of a band can be emo while the band is not. Or bands that are emo can make songs that are not.

My Chemical Romance along with the Mars Volta are leading the mainstream emo on the airwaves. My Chemical Romance, in real life are good friends with Thursday. Through interviews, the admit to find inspiration from their music through each other. They both are emo (in my opinion), and ( i believe they) would classify one another as emo.

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Only found 2-3 posts refuting that My Chemical Romance are not Emo, this one and another one were pro My Chemical romance = Emo

[QUOTE=vallely2004]Only found 2-3 posts refuting that My Chemical Romance are not Emo, this one and another one were pro My Chemical romance = Emo[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Their [MCR's] first CD was good, They are pop-punk though.[/QUOTE]
Also, the post you quoted and several others like it have paragraph-long replies that refute those statements easily.

In reply of the post you quoted:
[QUOTE=Bartender]I won't quote the rest of your post (and make points against bits of it), because this is where the problem lies. Music is about opinion in so far as liking it or not, yes, but not with genres. A band either plays one type of music (and I don't mean that there are no bands that mix styles of music, before you throw that back at me) or they don't, it's not individual to each person listening. For example, Slayer (broadly) play metal. Saying that to you, Slayer's music is punk doesn't make it so. Genre isn't opinion, and so it can be wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTe=BuddyBigsby]September, you seem like an intelligent guy, so I'm going continue this in as mature a manner as I can. The problem is, you're taking your information from the wrong people. Revolver magazine, I'm sorry to say, is not the greatest authority on a genre like emo. Their writers are paid to write about all kinds of music, mainstream music. The majority of them (as there is bound to be a few) haven't been in the scene and don't know what they're talking about, this is why for underground music, you must turn to underground publications such as zines or even websites. I mean, the guys at Revolver that write about Senses Fail and emo are the same guys that write about Korn. They know a little bit of everything, but emo is something that the mainstream media is wrong on. I'm somewhat of a journalist and one of the first things I was ever taught is that the MOST important thing in writing, is to write in consideration of your audience. If your audience thinks that Senses Fail and Silverstein are emo because another media outlet has been shoving that down their throats, then guess what... you're going to reenforce that belief and keep the subscriptions coming. A lot of it is politics.

I'm going to be really cliche here by posting this link... and I think this site goes a little bit overboard with classification, but it WILL give you a general idea of emo and its roots and where it has come today... [url]www.fourfa.com[/url][/QUOTe]

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]Also, the post you quoted and several others like it have paragraph-long replies that refute those statements easily.[/QUOTE]

yes I noticed that quote you posted. And actually I read the whole post I quoted and those were the only times it mentioned MCR!

[QUOTE=vallely2004]yes I noticed that quote you posted. And actually I read the whole post I quoted and those were the only times it mentioned MCR![/QUOTE]
Check the edit.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]*draws sword*

Would you really like to continue this argue in the proper thread?

To answer some questions from throughout the thread...

You (or some other idiot) asserted that MCR could not be pop punk because they are too complex. I'm going to subdivide this into a) why pop punk can be complex and b) why MCR is simple.

a) Pop punk as a genre is defined as punk that is catchy enough to render it popular to the general public. This includes what is usually a dumbing down or simplifying of lyrics. This genre was pretty much invented by the Descendents. If you lsiten to songs of their like "I'm the One" or "Original Me," you'll know that they're actually sort of complex. The drumming is standard fare of fast stuff but the bass and the chord progressions are sick. There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in these songs, prooving that pop punk indeed can be a complex thing. Other bands that add some complexity to pop punk: No Use for a Name, Lagwagon, Coheed and Cambria

b) I mean in the face of bands like Psyopus and Dillinger Escape Plan, or Beethoven and Mahler, most music is pretty freakin simple. If I were to analyze MCR songs against these guys, there's no question that MCR is more of a poppy farce than anything else. To make you feel it more I'm going to analyze their individual playing style against NFG. Yes, that's New Found Glory. Let's take the new single from [i]Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge[/i] since you claim that MCR definitely didn't sell out. All I hear are high pitched repetitive vocal melodies with minimal screaming, straight forward drumming, and straight palm-muted guitar chord progressions. Lame. If you're still not believing me listen to NFG's single from their new CD [i]Catalyst[/i]. Everything's the exact same, they even have the little scream section thanks to Chad Gilbert, formerly of Shai Hulud. To sum up what I'm trying to say, MCR is simple on a par with other radio friendly pop punk bands.

You (or some other tool) also said that Rancid wasn't pop punk and even reinforced this point with uncessary exclamation points. Unfortunately, you are wrong. Sure they've had some even hardcore punk songs in the past (if we're going to look at [i]Rancid 2000[/i]) but now that they're on Atlantic Records (when they swore they'd enver sign to a major) and released an album with ridiculously dummed down lyrics and songs to mass fan appeal, I have trouble seeing that they remain a punk band. Pop punk seems much better.[/QUOTE]
Dammit, DFelon, you should be a politician.

What would you classify Alexisonfire in?

Quote from [url]www.fourfa.com[/url]

"-By 1999, this type of music had achieved a fan base far larger than any of the original emo stuff. In fact, that's what prompted me to write this website in the first place - the glut of info on the web about this and the lack of a historical perspective. Statistically, you the reader are most likely to be familiar with this type of emo. In the years since then, it's only grown far, far bigger. Jimmy Eat World and Thursday are in regular rotation on MTV and many corporate alternative radio stations, and sappy music like this Dashboard Confessional fellow is pulling in a whole new audience. This is well on its way to becoming a major demographic market. But the original emo influence is still there, for instance Jimmy Eat World, who used to open at every emo show in Phoenix way back in 1994."

JEW and Taking Back Sunday = ALOT LIKE MCR!

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Dude. Searching a thread for MCR isn't going to reveal the countless Subtle, others, and I have argued comparable arguments down into the ground. MCR is just like tons of other equally generic and bland pop punk bands that scream every so often like Hawthorne Heights, Finch, Taking Back Sunday, or Brand New, and we've argued down all of the arguments for those bands being emo. I'm telling you that you are wrong and that you're not going to win this argument. Either accept that we're right or run away with your tail between your legs. Listen to Hot Cross and try to tell me that MCR is as emo as that. Listen to Saetia. List to Off Minor. Listen to Circle Takes the Squares. Listen to multitudes of bands that proove you wrong. Do something! My GOD YOU'RE STUPID![/QUOTE]
Did you read the link I posted?

He said he listens to just about all those bands and still thinks MCR is emo. I don't get it.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]No man. When I grow up I'm destined to be a jacka[size=2]s[/size]s.

P.S. Are you in college yet? I want to be your facebook friend.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if I'm going to college or not yet.
[QUOTE]JEW and Taking Back Sunday = ALOT LIKE MCR![/QUOTE]
Way to completely miss the point.

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]
Way to completely miss the point.[/QUOTE]
I didnt read his pos before posting mine own, because I was serching through the EMO site [url]www.fourfa.com[/url] :thumb:

[QUOTE=vallely2004]I didnt read his pos before posting mine own, because I was serching through the EMO site [url]www.fourfa.com[/url] :thumb:[/QUOTE]
First off, MCR are not anything like JEW and TBS.

Second off, TBS and JEW are not standard emo bands anyway.

At the end of the day guys, Im not giving in or backing down. I have listened to proper emo especially Rites of Spring and Hoover, all I am saying at the end of the day is that MCR are a lighter version in the emo sector. I'm not saying they are are full on emo.

And I think you (SubtleDagger and DFelon204409) are way too narrow minded when it comes to opinions and genres. You may listen to many genres but thats not my point, you take music way too seriously at the end of the day. I really actually couldnt give a toss whether MCR are emo or not (I know I had this big argument but so what? I have time on my hands tonight!), I listen to music I like regardless of genres.

[QUOTE=vallely2004]At the end of the day guys, Im not giving in or backing down. I have listened to proper emo especially Rites of Spring and Hoover, all I am saying at the end of the day is that MCR are a lighter version in the emo sector. I'm not saying they are are full on emo.

And I think you (SubtleDagger and DFelon204409) are way too narrow minded when it comes to opinions and genres. You may listen to many genres but thats not my point, you take music way too seriously at the end of the day. I really actually couldnt give a toss whether MCR are emo or not (I know I had this big argument but so what? I have time on my hands tonight!), I listen to music I like regardless of genres.[/QUOTE]
You're still wrong, because they have no element of emo at all, and you are incorrect in suggesting it. Genres have no opinions involved, a band either utilizes a genre or they don't, and MCR do not have any emo. You lose, game over.

I think there should be a rule that states, arguing with S&L vets means you lose.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]I think there should be a rule that states, arguing with S&L vets means you lose.[/QUOTE]
/truth

You just wait, though, morrissey will end up being a vet and will prove our theory wrong.

Or DD and ATC. :'(

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Dude. fourfa.com is completely wrong about the evolution of emo from 1994-present. If you'd like, after dinner I'll write it out for you vallely.[/QUOTE]

Actually if you did that I'd read it, it'd be cool... If the offer still stands. Thanks :thumb:

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]I find March On Electric Children is not really cohesive. Sure, they've progressed musically but the focus isn't really on the music. I don't know, This Adultery Is Ripe still stands as the album that is the most cohesive, spastic, focused, hard-hitting, well I could go on forever.[/QUOTE]

It's actually the quirkiness of MoEC that made me like it more than TAiR. Not that TAiR's seriousness didn't impress me, I just think that the weird factor made The Blood Brothers' music all the more rewarding(take "American Vultures" for example).

edit: wups, double post

Ok im too lazy to look through every thread in here so im just gonna ask... What are The Blood Brothers considered?

^Their classification is actually in the first post.

[QUOTE][B]Dance/Indie/Grind that is rooted in emo but is eclectic[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]'Tis true. When I was a n00b like yourself, I called Poison the Well hardcore, Thursday screamo and Saves The Day emo. It was ugly. But I soon learned from the best of the best, Buddy, iHATEgc and Dfelon. I tried to hang on bitterly to my false realities, but now, I''m pwning many a noob so that one day, they might ride along side the greats.


That was so epic.[/QUOTE]

*cries* I strive to achieve better understanding of what is emo too.

I still have to learn, though. From Autumn To Ashes, Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu are metalcore, right? FATA being ... more prog then the 2 others?

Does Across Five Aprils ( GREAT band ) fit into emo?

While Alexisonfire are sometimes described as post-hardcore, do they have roots within screamo?

ForDireLifeSake and Saosin? HELP