What I meant saying that Mer de noms was a more complete album was that it flows from one song to the net in a clearer way than 13th step. 13th step is more varied with its tempos, volumes and moods, but it felt like to me at least, that each song was individual to itself, a lot like Aenima was, butnI agree that the running themes are more evident.

As for gmail, a lot of people are gving out gmail addresses on here, which allows you to send large files of mp3, video or pictures via email. There is a mx mailing list which you can sign up for, look for the thread in the pit.

Does anyone here have the Parabola video? I can't find it anywhere! Anyone know where I could find it to download?

[url]http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php[/url]

Search for Tool, and the video should be there (If you're on dial up, not really worth it though)

Plus there are a lot of great live videos there

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD] When you look at the songs that Paul co-wrote (Pu**** comes to mind), there isn't as many effects by a long way.

So if Paul had stayed, IMO, Tool's music would be a lot different today. But thats just my idea, maybe the change would have happened whether he had left or not[/QUOTE]

Man, I didn't know Paul co-wrote Pu****... it's really a surprse to me because I see Pu**** and Third Eye to be two tracks on Aenima which indicated the progressive direction Lateralus would later take.

Well...

Anyway... on Salival the song You lied is awesome, and I was wondering did Tool originally write it? If they didn't who did and how much did Tool change it much? and if they did right it, I reckon they should have saved it for another album...

They didnt write it, it was a cover of Peach's original version (Justins old band).

The only way they changed it was to slow it down, and Adam added a few extra lead parts. Maynard also gives the vocals a different melody, and his voice of course improves it. But the original version is still amazing.

paul was involved in writing a few songs off Aenima, before he left, but im not sure if he ever recoreded anything for it

Well having heard Tool cover of Peach's You Lied, I'm definetly have to check them out.

Another Salival question Midget Sun.... I download it off Kazaa (which is well known for having some ****ed up versions of particular songs) :lol: It's has a piano and the vocals are really funny, to tell the truth I love it... I love the way the drums speed up near the end and double bass i used. Is this the actual Salival version? and who originally wrote it?

Midget sun? Not heard of that one off salival before. You sure its a tool song? Kazaa is renouned for having songs labelled by a band that have nothing to do with them.

(But I'm intriuged by your description, sounds intersesting)

As for Peach, dfinitely check them out, it shows Justin's playing in his early days, plus he sings on one song (Dougal)

:lol bloody kazaa... i wasn't sure if it was Tool but the drumming did kinda remind me of Carey and they way the song was played in a joke manner i thought it could be them... oh well... this isn't the first time this has happened to me with a Tool song... I download some song years ago... it was called Kill Yourself, and **** it's a pretty good song and the vocalist did kinda sound like Maynard especially the way he shouted... but I doubt it was Tool...

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD][url]http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php[/url]

Search for Tool, and the video should be there (If you're on dial up, not really worth it though)

Plus there are a lot of great live videos there[/QUOTE]

I got the Parabola video! Thanks! :D

Glad to help. I was hoping that this DVD will one day be released and have the 2 newer videos on, along with the live stuff. But of course, still no **** word on it

i need help decidin which album to get

AEnema or lateralus

suggestions?
help?

Flip a coin

Or on a serious note, Aenima if you haven't heard Tool before

Lateralus if you want the deeper experience

k cool

thanks ill get lateralus cuz ive heard a lot of undertow, etc.

Hey all... im back.. been super busy with some life issues. I'm glad to see this thread has taken off so successful. I see it has became more of a general discussion rather then my whole theory plan or anything too technical like I was looking for. But thats fine.. its still cool. glad to see all the activity.

AS for the question on wich CD to buy, id recommend AEnima. just for the simple fact that the cd is alittle more easier to swallow for the general public. Alot of people enjoy lateralus more, but its takes alittle more to understand the in's & out of the cd. AEnima is a solid rock album. many great tracks, great lyrics, and its a mix between hard rock and softer rock. as for lateralus, its more of a cd you'd study, and think of millions of ways to interpet, same for AEnima, but I feel LATERALUS is somewhat deeper in that sense.. It all depends in what style of music you like. I enjoy all the cds, and Id say AEnima is great for "beginers"

[QUOTE=ToolOwnsYou]Hey all... im back.. been super busy with some life issues. I'm glad to see this thread has taken off so successful. I see it has became more of a general discussion rather then my whole theory plan or anything too technical like I was looking for. But thats fine.. its still cool. glad to see all the activity.
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WELCOME BACK!

I've been keeping 'your' thread active, but you are right, there hasn't been that much about lyrics/deeper meanings, though we have had some interesting APC talks, and one user who had a negative first post against Tool, but now posts positively

Awaiting some more of your opinions, i've dried iup on mine, been concentrating on learning/modifiying the guitar parts instead

im no beginner with tool though

whatever ill get em both

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]WELCOME BACK!

I've been keeping 'your' thread active, but you are right, there hasn't been that much about lyrics/deeper meanings, though we have had some interesting APC talks, and one user who had a negative first post against Tool, but now posts positively

Awaiting some more of your opinions, i've dried iup on mine, been concentrating on learning/modifiying the guitar parts instead[/QUOTE]

hehehe... my thread... yea right. its the 'peoples' thread! :thumb: I just got things up and running. If anyone was to ask me who thread it was i'd have to give you the credit. You've done an awesome job keeping things in shape, and moving further. I havent read all 26pages, but many of them. and Id say it looks great.

I have been working on a few more of my deeper meaning of some tracks, I think Im going to express my opinion of some tracks from undertow. Undertow has seem to almost been forgotten, and I feel its my duty to help this awesome album out. Once again you guys rock! keep up the good work.

:evil:

[QUOTE=ToolOwnsYou]If anyone was to ask me who thread it was i'd have to give you the credit. You've done an awesome job keeping things in shape, and moving further. I havent read all 26pages, but many of them. and Id say it looks great.
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Arrrr shucks :D

Yeah, Undertow has always been overlooked, I make it my job to listen to that more than the rest, and tracks have grown on me (i still think 4 degrees is the most catchiest riff ever)

26 pages? Man, never noticed that, it has done well! Though most of them were probably just helping people convert to Tool.

But still 0 spam, and 0 (unconstructive) flaming, this is probably one of the more friendlier threads on MX

[QUOTE=demon_hunter]im no beginner with tool though

whatever ill get em both[/QUOTE]

Well, if you havent purchased AEnima or Lateralus.. id have to say you are still pretty newbie.. thoes were their two most powerful albums yet. Ive owned both of the albums the day they were released. and I still sit on ponder on the lyrics and music structures. By saying "beginner" I meant no harm...


:evil:

Id consider myself a tool newbie, ive just started listening to them over the past few days. Id totally recommend Aenima to anyone wanting to start listening to the band. But i personally got hooked by undertow, that just me though.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Arrrr shucks :D

Yeah, Undertow has always been overlooked, I make it my job to listen to that more than the rest, and tracks have grown on me (i still think 4 degrees is the most catchiest riff ever)

26 pages? Man, never noticed that, it has done well! Though most of them were probably just helping people convert to Tool.

But still 0 spam, and 0 (unconstructive) flaming, this is probably one of the more friendlier threads on MX[/QUOTE]

I myself rarely listen to Undertow. I've been so focused on Aenima and Lateralus. I am now taking a further deeper look into Undertow. Yes dude I totally agree, 4 degrees has the catchiest riff! Undertow has lots of good riffs, so does Opiate. I feel Adam's style changes a bit on aenima and Lateralus. Maybe its just me though. But I'll soon be posting my thoughts on Undertow tracks!

Here's my first attempt at an APC analysis - giving my rough veiw of the song. I'll try and continue track by track for the next little while!

The Package: this seems to be from the veiw of an addict, meeting their ‘dealer.’ The addict and dealer both know that this is not a friendship, despite keeping up the pretence:

[I]Eye on what I'm after
I don't need another friend
Smile and drop the cliche
'Till you think I'm listening[/I]

The addict knows also that this meeting has only one purpose, to exchange the package of whatever the addict is after – I’ll assume drugs, but this could be true of an addiction to anything – alcohol, sex, exercise...the easiest analogy is the drugs though.
[I]I take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again

peripheral on the package
Don't care to settle in
Time to feed the monster
I don't need another friend

Comfort is a mystery
Crawling out of my own skin[/I]
These lines are referring to the beginning stages of withdrawal, the fever that drives the addict to need another ‘hit.’
[I]
Lie to get what I came for
Lie to get just what I need
Lie to get what I crave[/I]
This shows how far the addict is willing to take their need...to the point of deception.

[I]Lie and smile to get what's mine[/I]
Thus aknowledging the delusion that addicts often feel, that the package rightfully belongs to the antagonist...
[I]
Give this to me
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine[/I]
The violence of the delivery of these lines shows what the withdrawal is capable of producing in the addict...violence of words, if not physical too. The way these lines are delivered show also that this explosion is out of character for the antagonist, that the addiction has them tightly coiled and trying to reign in the aspects of character that have taken over in this time of need. The way the song returns to its peaceful, yet still tense state, shows the addict regain a little control over themself. This alternating explosion of anger and regaining control repeats itself again before the song fades.

[I]This is mine, mine, mine, not mine[/I]
Its interesting to note that last line: at the last second the antagonist concedes the truth, though presumably only after gaining “the package” for themselves.

i managed to get myself a live recording of apc at the hammersmith apollo london a few days ago (i went to that very gig...) and so all is happy...

as for tool albums...i guess i got into tool through the more accessible (sp?) apc...but the first tool albums i bought were aenima and opiate...i then got into lateralus and finally undertow...

i think as a first album lateralus may be a bit too deep and the aenima is a pretty good place to start as it is the current "middle" of tool's progression...having said this i do believe that the best of tool so far is lateralus...it's just not so easy to get into straight away...

i also found it took me months to fully appreciate tool so for anyone who doesn't get into it immediately keep at it and try different points of tool's music...

i guess if you are more into heavy music undertow and opiate are the way to go...i think they tend to sound extremely angry and the band sound perhaps as if they are trying to find their way and settle into the band they have become...aenima is really i think the point where tool's music takes a total turn and starts the new era of tool with new meanings and feelings...which are taken to a whole new level in lateralus which is possibly on of the best albums ever written...

but i guess eventually you have to own them all :thumb:

a perfet cirlce is one of my favorite bands.....everyone percieves the lyrics differently though...their cd the 13th step is really good...i bought it right away when it first came out...i heard a remix of Blue,has anyone else heard it ?? the original mix of the song is better than the remix in my opinion......

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Here's my first attempt at an APC analysis - giving my rough veiw of the song. I'll try and continue track by track for the next little while!
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Good analysis, I agree with all that, plus its given me a more insigtful look into the song. One thing that i've noticed with the lyrics and instrumentals, is how well they compliment each other.

For example, the guitar starts off lightly, the sense of calm, comfort. The heavier bass line enters, building up that feeling that there's something building beneath the surface, the acceptance of the user's addiction, but its still in the background to the concealing calm.

Then when Maynard bursts out [I]Give this to me[/I] the instruments increase intensit and volume, with the dramatic change, brings the sense of anger, desperation, and unltimately, total dependece. the song no longer feels calm and safe, and it continues in this trend, until the end, where it returns to the calm, and the lyrics [I]This is mine, mine, mine, not mine[/I] are sung in a hushed tone, showing that the acceptance has kicked in and that there may be hope for the addict after all.


haven't analysed anything of Tool/APC for a while, so nice to do so again

My friend and I were working on a cool theory for the Lateralus album with alternate track order and such and the Book of Enoch I think it was called. And by "my friend and I" I mean just my friend well I sat around. If this idea is new to you I can try to type what I remember of it.

[QUOTE=miserychick]a perfet cirlce is one of my favorite bands.....everyone percieves the lyrics differently though...their cd the 13th step is really good...i bought it right away when it first came out...i heard a remix of Blue,has anyone else heard it ?? the original mix of the song is better than the remix in my opinion......[/QUOTE]


Yeah, THIRTEENTH STEP is an awesome album. I also got it that day it came out...actually at a midnight sale Tower Records had that night. Anyway, I've heard the Blue Remix. They actually play it alot on the radio and I also like the orginal better....not that the remix is bad though. BUT I do have to admit that I like the Outsider Remix that came out on the Resident Evil soundtrack just a tad more than the original Outsider...and Counting Bodies Like Sheep, which is suppose to be a Pet Remix I guess, is pretty cool as well.

All the remixes so far have been done by the NIN community, so they have had some interesting results. Not heard the Blue/Outsider remix yet, but apart from the Judith remix, they all seem ok in their own way, I think the Weak and Powerless on ehtough is my favourite.

Might be looking forward to this 'new' album now

yeah, the Weak and Powerless was probably my favorite one too..but now I'm leaning a little more towards The Outsider. I think it's Danny Lohner doing the remixes except Blue which was done by James Iha...anyway, they're all pretty good.

The outsider remix is pretty good. It's a really interesting remix. :thumb: