Ah okay we have some slower sections in our songs so it sounds like the AAX is definitely a possibility. How about the Zildjian equivalents, do you have any experience with those?

ummm zildjian i havent really had much experience with i do own a pair of 14inch sweet hats but that doesnt help you much. i believe the lines are similar though. AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.

I would say A Customs are brighter, and the A's are more traditional?

[QUOTE]AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.[/QUOTE]

thats pretty much how it works.

forlorn, maybe check out some AAXplosion crashes. I play a 16" and it does exactly what you want. opens up very quick with a fairly fast decay and cuts through very well. I would think that the bell on a larger one like 18 or 19" would be pretty nice too.

The bell on the 19" is beautiful.

raw bells are win

[QUOTE]The bell on the 19" is beautiful.[/QUOTE]

The bell on my 16" is pretty decent too. Hasn't really got enough volume to cut through in louder situations, but I would imagine that the 19" will do.

the bell on my 16 is quite nice to use if your playing some more intricate stuff on the hihats or something and want a nice ping but without overpowering anything too much.

Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.

Is it worth it? Keep in mind that at this point I'm still rocking the Solars. UGH.

I have a set of XS20's (hats, crash, ride) and I love em. They have warm overtones with a bright attack that makes them very middle of the road. The hats have a nice shimmer to them. So yeah, I say get them.

[quote=Forlorn Hope;16582115]This same request has probably been made, but I don't feel like searching through 300 pages of this.

I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.

Thanks ahead of time.[/quote]
14" New Beats
17" & 19" A Medium-Thin Crash
22" A Ping

I was going to say 20" A Ping.

My love.

[QUOTE]Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.[/QUOTE]

as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.

i have an 18" XS20 Rock crash. served me well. but was a bit gongy sounding.

made a nice washy ride though.

the medium-thin crashes are pretty good. and i liked the pair of hats i heard. thats about my extent with em.

[quote=an_original_name;16587259]as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.[/quote]

B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal


So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.

i wouldnt say the lathing is the same at all. they're closer in lathing to an AA Metal-X cymbal.

[QUOTE]B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal


So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.[/QUOTE]

20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?

Anyone have any thoughts on the K Custom Crash Rides? I was thinking of replaceing my A Custom Ride with one

[QUOTE=an_original_name;16587477]20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?[/QUOTE]

would you consider playing XS20's over 2002's? i'd think not.

never played 2002's so i cant really say haha. seriously though i get where your coming from.

just out of curiosity, is there is any difference in durability between different alloys?

the 8% bronze will be softer naturally because of the Higher copper content.

likewise, if either alloy isnt tempered (heat treated) properly, both will be brittle and break easily.

to say 1 is better than the other is like saying Birch or Maple is better than the other. it comes down to WAY more than Simple composition

I'm looking for a new crash to replace my 18" AAXplosion. Something loud, bright and explosive. I was thinking 18" AAX stage crash. but i'm not sure.

If the store has another 18" AAXplosion then i'll buy that but i need it somewhat urgently and don't have time to order anything in. I'd also like to try something different anyway.

suggestions?

another 18" AAXplosion would be different.

but with that said, Vault crash?

i've tried some vault crashes and i'll admit i didn't like what i heard. I can't put my finger on why, i just remember i didn't like it, but i'll try some more.

My main problem is every time i get a crash that sounds like it'll blend, it usually ends up not being that great. eg 18" AAX studio crash, and 18" A Custom fast crash...the AAX is pretty quiet and sort of dull, and the A Custom sounds like a big splash lol.

bring your other cymbals along to try out with.

A Customs crashes are very similar to Vaults, so try those as well.

[QUOTE=ant_182;16587480]Anyone have any thoughts on the K Custom Crash Rides? I was thinking of replaceing my A Custom Ride with one[/QUOTE]I'm not a fan of crash-rides in general. Too washy.

^ If you're looking for something to replace your crash and ride you'll be disappointed. A crash-ride is neither a crash nor a ride, they're good as crash-rides though.

Crash-rides aren't really good for anything if you ask me. Certainly not better than an A Custom ride.:)

I like them, but only a handful of models [20" K, 19" Armand BB, 20" Istanbul Traditional]. They're great when used right. Depends on your needs.

Didn't knew you were a drummer.

[QUOTE=Aaron;16589148]I like them, but only a handful of models [20" K, 19" Armand BB, 20" Istanbul Traditional]. They're great when used right. Depends on your needs.

Didn't knew you were a drummer.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've played for about 6 years. I used to post here a lot more.

I believe we are cymbal twins.:)