[QUOTE]And Ringo's easy-going personality helped the band through alot of tough times.[/QUOTE]
Ya really got them through '69.

Dude, nothing could have gotten them through 1969.

The Beatles were a fairly insignificant influence on the Who compared to the Stones, in terms of strictly music.

No is picking on Ringo, we are all just questioning how great he really can be riding mostly on the 'influence' card. No one does that to John because John wrote some of the most famous and lasting rock songs in history and has placed himself in the elite class of rock songwriters in terms of compositions and creativity.

[QUOTE=Lunch]The Beatles were a fairly insignificant influence on the Who compared to the Stones, in terms of strictly music.[/QUOTE]

And the Beatles influenced the Stones...

[QUOTE=John Lennon]They wanted a song and we went to see what kind of stuff they did. Paul had this bit of a song and we played it roughly for them and they said, 'Yeah, OK, that's our style.' But it was only really a lick, so Paul and I went off in the corner of the room and finished the song off while they were all sitting there, talking. We came back and [I]Mick and Keith said, 'Jesus, look at that. They just went over there and wrote it.'[/I]

We gave it to them. It was a throwaway. Ringo sang it for us and the Stones did their version. It shows how much importance we put on them. We weren't going to give them anything great, right? That was the Stones' first record. Anyway, Mick and Keith said, [I]'If they can write a song so easily, we should try it.' They say it inspired them to start writing together."

I think Mick got jealous. I was always very respectful of Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by because, you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don't let Mick Jagger knock them.[I] I would like to just list what we did and what the Stones did two months after on every ****in' album. Every ****in' thing we did, Mick does exactly the same - he imitates us.[/I]

[I]You know, Satanic Majesties is Pepper; ``We Love You,'' it's the most ****in' bull****, that's ``All You Need Is Love.'' [/I][/QUOTE]

And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.

Also by saying stricly music wise your making it seem like The Beatles weren't a rock n' roll band listen to Please Please Me, With The Beatles, and their other early records. The vocal performances on Twist N' Shout, Rock N' Roll Music, Money, and Helter Skelter all either top or equal any other rock vocal performances.

That's my last comment of the night, I can hardly keep my eye's open...that's what happens when you discover and old SNES and end up playing Yoshi's Island all day ;).

hahahahahhhahahaha, that quote is why Lennon is so cool.

Or a conceited prick.

[QUOTE]And the Beatles influenced the Stones...[/QUOTE]
Hold up, when did this happen?

I always figured it was fairly obvious. The Stones were definitely influenced by the Beatles.

[quote]Or a conceited prick.[/quote]

As opposed to Mick Jagger?

[QUOTE]I always figured it was fairly obvious. The Stones were definitely influenced by the Beatles. [/QUOTE]
Well I never even thought of that.

[QUOTE]As opposed to Mick Jagger?[/QUOTE]
Thats only because he was copying John obviously.

My god-like intuition alerts me that you were more than likely being sarcastic, and I overlooked it.

[quote]Thats only because he was copying John.[/quote]

I feel they were both as[b]s[/b]holes in their own right.

I never seemed to get into the Stone's music anyhow, it never resonated with me.

The Stones are very hit and miss with me. When they hit, they hit hard, and when they miss, they miss by alot.

Haha wow when Lennon gets on a thought he gets kind of riled up doesn't he?

[QUOTE]Thats only because he was copying John obviously.[/QUOTE]

You remind me so much of Stephen Colbert sometimes.

[QUOTE=El_Goodo]



And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.
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Idd music driven by bass and drums was exactly what the beatles did ;) 8-) I mean listen to happy jack that's really a ''Help!'' rip off 8-) i think The Who almost has no influence of The Beatles, and musicly The Who just owns The Beatles

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]Idd music driven by bass and drums was exactly what the beatles did ;) 8-) I mean listen to happy jack that's really a ''Help!'' rip off 8-) i think The Who almost has no influence of The Beatles, and musicly The Who just owns The Beatles[/QUOTE]
i think they're a pretty separate band and had a little tiny bit of influence but not much.

however, you have to admit that "The Kids are Alright" practically is the Beatles.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]well I get confused

In the CR thread, he's talking about how since an album is popular, and original because it used synthesizers (when in fact ELP, the Beatles, Moody Blues, and King Crimson used them before Townshend did) then it has to be better, as in a factual statement.

My feeling is that in this thread, he's takling about how Ringo is not a godlike drummer.[/QUOTE]

I never claimed that Townshend was the first to use synthesizers.

You're obviously confused, to use your own word.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Ringo's inspired more drummers to pick up sticks then anybody else in the world combined....since you lived in the 60s (apparently) you should know this.

His influence and his style is what makes his greatness, not that the fact that he can do paradiddles at 360 bpm or polyrhthmic patterns with 16th on the bass and triplets on the ride.

Ringo, on my list of drummers, is #3. He inspired me to play set, his style is absolutly wonderful, and he drums in my favorite band. Plus his drums sound better then anything I've heard before in my life. Listen to Abbey Road and try and tell me those drums sound 'adequate'. Oh wait, cause if you use adequate, its not an insult so I can't call you on it.[/QUOTE]

In his several decades on television and in movies, singing cowboy Roy Rogers inspired God only knows how many kids to pick up a guitar. It damn sure doesn't make him a "great" guitarist.

Any average joe drummer could've been sitting on that stage on Feb. 9, 1964---and would've become an overnight sensation. And it wouldn't have made a single one of them "great".

Ringo was at the right place at the right time. He rode the McCartney-Lennon train to fame. If the dynamic duo hadn't chosen him to be their drummer, he'd be a virtual unknown today.

[QUOTE=Bron-Yr-Aur]My god-like intuition alerts me that you were more than likely being sarcastic, and I overlooked it.



I feel they were both as[b]s[/b]holes in their own right.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you didn't mean... in their own [I]write?[/I] /laughs at stupid Lennon pun.

[QUOTE]Hold up, when did this happen?[/QUOTE]

Did you not read my quote telling you how the Stones were influenced the Beatles. Do you even know who what the Stones first number one hit was? It was a little diddy the Beatles wrote called I Wanna Be Your Man, which Ringo sang, it was basically a throwaway for the Beatles standards, but The Stones rode it to the top.

Not to mention Decca (I think thats the label) came to George Harrison after the Beatles became huge, because they felt like idiots for missing such an opportunity and asked George if he knew of any other bands, and George got them to sign The Rolling Stones.

And as for Lennon being a prick, I'll get you the first part of that quote

[QUOTE]No, I never do see him. We saw a bit of each other when Allen [Klein, Beatles' late-period manager] was first coming in - I think Mick got jealous. I was always very respectful of Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by because, you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don't let Mick Jagger knock them.[/QUOTE]

John was only responding in response to comments Mick had been making about The Beatles at the time.

[QUOTE]But they are not in the same class, musicwise or powerwise, never were. I never said anything, I always admired them, because I like their funky music, and I like their style. I like rock & roll and the direction they took after they got over trying to imitate us. He's obviously so upset by how big the Beatles are compared with him, he never got over it. Now he's in his old age, and he is beginning to knock us, you know, and he keeps knocking. I resent it, because even his second ****in' record, we wrote it for him. Mick said, ``Peace made money.'' We didn't make any money from peace.[/QUOTE]

And even if John is a little high on himself it's a little hard to keep grounded when you were one of the members of the most succesful band on earth. Although I don't find him to be much a prick.

Now with all this Stones/Beatles talk, who's the better drummer Ringo or Charlie Watts?

Charlie Watts. His stage presence alone makes him more worthy.

And again my sarcasm went way over your head. Good grief.
The Rolling Stones would have made it big but the help from the Beatles just gave it a little jump start.

I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?

[QUOTE=El_Goodo]And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.

Also by saying stricly music wise your making it seem like The Beatles weren't a rock n' roll band listen to Please Please Me, With The Beatles, and their other early records. The vocal performances on Twist N' Shout, Rock N' Roll Music, Money, and Helter Skelter all either top or equal any other rock vocal performances.[/QUOTE]

Really, I think much of the Beatles and Stones influence disappears after the Who's debut album. A Quick One is almost entirely unique, and the Who Sell Out will undoubtedly be credited Sgt. Pepper's like every other "concept" album after 1967, even though I wouldn't agree. I don't think it's fair to say Tommy and Quadrophenia are both Beatles influenced either, since the Who (and especially Townshend) were their own creative force by then and functioning without much help from the rock scene.

[QUOTE=Arlan89]I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.[/QUOTE]

It might also be because Moon is undoubtedly one of the top 5-10 drummers in rock history, where as Watts and Ringo just scream "influence!" whenever anyone questions them.

[QUOTE=Arlan89]I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?[/QUOTE]
Sgt. Pepper or Revolver. easily.

Abbey Road, as well.

If I was recommending someone a Beatles album I'd probably recommend Revolver but then my brain would also scream "but they gotta hear Sgt Peppers too!"

I think they could wait a few albums before hearing Abbey Road...that's sort of a good one to hear after you've experienced several beatles albums because then you can say "ok I've heard all the different types of rock the beatles played in their span and Abbey Road really does an amazing job of ending it."

Although Sgt Peppers might freak them out a bit if they aren't used to original psychedelic music. It's a little strange. MMT is more like happy pop psychedelia but Sgt Peppers was like the raw experimental ****. It didn't have to be about peace and flowers it had to be about exploring your creativity. I'm just rambling now.

I see what you mean, but Abbey Road is really great for anyone. I mean, what better way to be introduced to the genius of the Beatles than by the medley? Actually, the album that firmly cemented me as a fan was either Rubber Soul or the White Album. Or both. So I'd recommend one of those as well.

[QUOTE=Lunch]The worst offense ever was when some stock company or something like E-Trade or whatever used Volunteer's by Jefferson Airplane in their commercial. That was a travesty.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I remember that. That song's about tearing down corporate America and everything.

[QUOTE=Bron-Yr-Aur]I see what you mean, but Abbey Road is really great for anyone. I mean, what better way to be introduced to the genius of the Beatles than by the medley? Actually, the album that firmly cemented me as a fan was either Rubber Soul or the White Album. Or both. So I'd recommend one of those as well.[/QUOTE]
i agree kinda, except i dunno why, but i don't really like the White Album.
i mean, it has lots of really good songs, but as a whole, looking at it as a full album rather than individual songs, it seems just like they were more worried about putting everything on there than constructing a shorter, yet more perfected album.

and there's not much unity on it, it's just like everyone doing their own thing.

Rubber Soul would be my favourite album, although it would not give you an example of the Beatles genius as much as their later albums would. The White Album is also good as it has one of my top 5 tracks "Happiness is a Warm Gun."

[QUOTE=Arlan89]I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?[/QUOTE]

Keith Moon is my favorite, no doubt about that. He is the greatest drummer of all time. However, Ringo is, flat out, more then 'adequte.' Crap, I spelt tha wrong, now that one guy is not gonna listen to anything I say.

(oh, and to that one guy, you made a comment how I put some words in your mouth about Townshend using the synthesizer first. I never said that. So stop putting words in my mouth, and listen.....you should be able to do that at your age, shouldn't you?)

And Ringo > Charlie. I could never get into the Stones. If I want rock 'n roll, I'd tune to Deep Purple myself.

[QUOTE=sr800bkBassist]Sgt. Pepper or Revolver. easily.[/QUOTE]

This, but leaning more towards Revolver.

I'd definitely go with Revolver. It's my favourite, thought I got it kinda late, so I don't know how much I would've liked it if I started with it.