[QUOTE=Ripper22]I have no problem with rap as a musical style, but I have a huge problem with its current subject matter. The way I see it, rap was very well on its way to developing a highly influential social consciousness in the late '80s, with bands like Public Enemy rapping about social injustice like the LAPD killing innocent black people simply on the basis of the percieved criminal intent of said individuals. It was shaping up to be a very vital, important cultural revolution. Then what happens? Gansta rap comes along and brings the gang wars, drug addictions, and horribly oversexed citizens of the inner cities to the mainstream, and treats ALL of it as something to be respected, with a scant few rappers, like 2pac, sticking with the social consciousness direction. The "pimp" legend followed that and totally sunk rap and perpetuated every possible stereotype of the modern 20-something black man. Just ridiculous. Now we have black people dreaming of being these people instead of productive members of society, and thanks to us and our continuing prejudices, that's all they feel like they CAN be. That and basketball players. But that whole era of rap, in my opinion, just made the whole situation worse, reinforcing white prejudice while perpetuating the downward spiral of inner city life. All these idiots like Nelly need to see [I]Boyz N The Hood[/I] or something. I hate modern rap not because it's hard to listen to, but because its subject matter is repugnant. Anyways, I know I probably generalized a lot, so if anybody takes issue with my idea of the situation, I'd be happy to discuss. That's just the way I see the trend developing.[/QUOTE]

thats pretty much how i feel. I would rep ++ you for bothering to argue, but i have to spread it around first

[QUOTE=Medopalis]You make some good points, although I think you're missing out on a lot of modern rap. Stuff by artists such as Jurassic 5 and The Roots is modern rap, and doesn't promote violence, or an appalling attitude. Similarly, music by the likes of The Beastie Boys and Outkast fulfils the same sort of role, and isn't really negative or anything like that. Yeah, a lot of mainstream rap sucks, although I'm curious about why you picked out Nelly? His music may not be much good, but compared to a lot of rappers, he's hardly offensive in his subject matters.[/QUOTE]

Nelly is a rapper that perpetuates the "pimp" legend. I find that just disgusting. I don't see him as gangsta rap or anything like that. I just take issue with his glorification of that lifestyle.

Thanks medopolis.

In all seriousness, I think that Jurassic 5 and The Roots are the two best rap groups out there.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Nelly is a rapper that perpetuates the "pimp" legend. I find that just disgusting. I don't see him as gangsta rap or anything like that. I just take issue with his glorification of that lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

Ripper, Nelly is just cheesey fun rap music about girlfriends and stuff.

Forgot these, add to list: Outkast, Jay-Z.

i do like outkast alot, his lyrics are funny, and he definatly doesnt promote the hummer, gangster dream, sex five times a day image

Outkast is two guys, lol.

Andrea 3000 (singer) and Big Boi (rapper)

Yeah, ok. Nelly shall not be cited any longer. There we go. :thumb:

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Outkast is two guys, lol.

Andrea 3000 (singer) and Big Boi (rapper)[/QUOTE]
Andre raps as well, and he's da[b][i][/b][/i]mn good at it.

This is great, people who like rock and rap, don't know many of us folks.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Outkast is two guys, lol.

Andrea 3000 (singer) and Big Boi (rapper)[/QUOTE]
That's another thing that gets me, the ebonics. Apparently this is supposed to be one of the intelligent rap groups, but still the names are spelt "Big Boi" and sh.it like that. If they really wanted to set themselves apart, they could start by spelling properly.

[QUOTE=LeperAffinity]Andre raps as well, and he's da[b][i][/b][/i]mn good at it.[/QUOTE]

In their older stuff moreso, in their new stuff he hardly ever raps.

i know that, i mean andre 3000, because Big Boi is an ***, who does promote the gangster image.
Prepare For War = Best dragonforce song ever

[QUOTE=LordDargon]That's another thing that gets me, the ebonics. Apparently this is supposed to be one of the intelligent rap groups, but still the names are spelt "Big Boi" and sh.it like that. If they really wanted to set themselves apart, they could start by spelling properly.[/QUOTE]

OK Lord [B]Dargon[/B].

You know how many friggin metal bands mispell their names?

Do you realize it doesn't freaking matter, your just using the stereotypes of rap and being closed minded. Go and dig through the groups we are talking about, check out their stuff, it is amazing lyricism, most of it much better than [B]a lot [/B] of metal

[QUOTE=Ripper22]I have no problem with rap as a musical style, but I have a huge problem with its current subject matter. The way I see it, rap was very well on its way to developing a highly influential social consciousness in the late '80s, with bands like Public Enemy rapping about social injustice like the LAPD killing innocent black people simply on the basis of the percieved criminal intent of said individuals. It was shaping up to be a very vital, important cultural revolution. Then what happens? Gansta rap comes along and brings the gang wars, drug addictions, and horrible sex-related disease and hardship of the inner cities to the mainstream, and treats ALL of it as something to be respected, with a scant few rappers, like 2pac, sticking with the social consciousness direction. The "pimp" legend followed that and totally sunk rap and perpetuated every possible stereotype of the modern 20-something black man. Just ridiculous. Now we have black people dreaming of being these people instead of productive members of society, and thanks to us and our continuing prejudices, that's all they feel like they CAN be. That and basketball players. But that whole era of rap, in my opinion, just made the whole situation worse, reinforcing white prejudice while perpetuating the downward spiral of inner city life. All these idiots like Nelly need to see [I]Boyz N The Hood[/I] or something. I hate modern rap not because it's hard to listen to, but because its subject matter is repugnant. Anyways, I know I probably generalized a lot, so if anybody takes issue with my idea of the situation, I'd be happy to discuss. That's just the way I see the trend developing.[/QUOTE]

Very well put. It obsesses most teenagers in the sub urbs, and its downright annoying. When I actually lived in the sub urbs I couldn't go anywhere without seeing how influential this form of 'music' has been. Look at stores in the mall, clothes people wear, all are influnced by the music. White kids dressing like they're black, talking like their black, losing all of their true heritage. Mainstream rap is diminishing every positive aspect of american teenagers and pre teens in general, though it isnt like everyone is listening to it and pretending that they are part of the life style glamorized in the music they listen to. Why this music is so popular is beyond me, but you eather like rap, mindless pop, or the more intelligent set tend to like real rock/metal ect. because they think about what they're listening to and how most of it is utterly pointless. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I dislike rap, at least mainstream rap..

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]OK Lord [B]Dargon[/B].

You know how many friggin metal bands mispell their names?

Do you realize it doesn't freaking matter, your just using the stereotypes of rap and being closed minded. Go and dig through the groups we are talking about, check out their stuff, it is amazing lyricism, most of it much better than [B]a lot [/B] of metal[/QUOTE]
How many? I'm not talking about Korn or Linkin Park or any of that bull**** here. Any metal band that takes themselves seriously and tries to make an impact in the music world spells their name properly.

Joe: No, Fury of the Storm is the best, although Prepare for War has the great part...
"Rage and fear from skies above the fire fuels my veins
Destruction of humanity the everlasting flame"

fury of the storm definatly owns
i do love sonic firestorm loads, the blasts are just like OMG BLASTS!

[QUOTE=Eitri Is Berserk]Very well put. It obsesses most teenagers in the sub urbs, and its downright annoying. When I actually lived in the sub urbs I couldn't go anywhere without seeing how influential this form of 'music' has been. Look at stores in the mall, clothes people wear, all are influnced by the music. White kids dressing like they're black, talking like their black, losing all of their true heritage. Mainstream rap is diminishing every positive aspect of american teenagers and pre teens in general, though it isnt like everyone is listening to it and pretending that they are part of the life style glamorized in the music they listen to. Why this music is so popular is beyond me, but you eather like rap, mindless pop, or the more intelligent set tend to like real rock/metal ect. because they think about what they're listening to and how most of it is utterly pointless. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I dislike rap, at least mainstream rap..[/QUOTE]

My class =

80 wanna be blacks
15 blacks
30 goths
40 normal white kids
10 metalheads

I hate being in a small suburban school

[QUOTE=88_Fingers_Joe]fury of the storm definatly owns
i do love sonic firestorm loads, the blasts are just like OMG BLASTS![/QUOTE]
Yeah, brilliant adding the blasts in. They really make the band.

yeh
'we will soon reach the hour, for victory we ride, fury of the storm!'

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]My class =

80 wanna be blacks
15 blacks
30 goths
40 normal white kids
10 metalheads

I hate being in a small suburban school[/QUOTE]


My class:

55% white trash/rednecks
5% true metal heads (I'm assuming, I don't talk to the majority of people at my school)
25% Normal types of preppy people
15% Wanna be somthing or other (though they wont admit/realize/come to terms)

I live in a rural area..:lol:

everyone in my school is either an indie kid or a pretend black, or a bengali, or a chav

bengali?

/doesn't know what a bengali or chav is :confused:

[QUOTE=88_Fingers_Joe]everyone in my school is either an indie kid or a pretend black, or a bengali, or a chav[/QUOTE]

Bengali? Chav? :confused:

i dont know the specifics, but their asian, say they are muslim and generally terrorise our school it sucks
and if you call them bengali, you are racist for some reason.

:lol: oh good I'm not the only one!

[QUOTE=Eitri Is Berserk]Bengali? Chav? :confused:[/QUOTE]

im english, dont bother asking

[QUOTE=88_Fingers_Joe]i dont know the specifics, but their asian, say they are muslim and generally terrorise our school it sucks
and if you call them bengali, you are racist for some reason.[/QUOTE]

Odd..Where do you live?

loughborough, east midlands.

good night guys, see ya tmoz