[QUOTE=Left Shoe]w00t i just found my wallet[/QUOTE]

nice, tho i thought that you might be replying to something i said on the last page.

lowsound

lowsound you canadian?
it seems no americans have played them/

sop has anyone been to the tast of chaos tour yet? if so how long did underoath play?

lowsound

Yo.

[QUOTE=ridethelightning]lowsound you canadian?
it seems no americans have played them/[/QUOTE]

yes i am canadian. and proud

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]thats what i am saying give them that right, because they deserve it. just please don't call it marrage. the bible says to love all of mankind and homosexuals are people as well, and in this whole debate on the sme sex issue that is often forgotten

lowsound[/QUOTE]

But it doesn't matter what the bible says when it comes to government. It's not fair to use the bible as a political tool.

yo ry

lowsound

where you from lowsound?
im winnipeg.

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]But it doesn't matter what the bible says when it comes to government. It's not fair to use the bible as a political tool.[/QUOTE]

why not? its a book which i base my ideals on. comunists base their beleafs on carl marx's book(can't remember the name) you base you political beliefs on what you believe. i believe in the bible, you don't. you most likely believe in something that i don't. saying that its unfair to use the bible as a political tool is like saying that you can't use an amp with you bass.

lowsound

[QUOTE=ridethelightning]where you from lowsound?
im winnipeg.[/QUOTE]

just outside kitchner, im going to be in stinebac(sp?) about a hour south of winnipeg later this month to see my sister.

lowsound

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]But it doesn't matter what the bible says when it comes to government. It's not fair to use the bible as a political tool.[/QUOTE]

yes, that makes me proper ticked.

i (being bi) dont care if the church doesnt want to recognize a marriage between two individuals of the same sex.

i do, however, care about whether or not the government will recognize it. the u.s. is supposed to have a secular government, so peoples various religious beleifs shouldnt affect law.

i think laws for the most part should only deal with things that could infringe on anothers rights (ie killing people, theft, whatnot). if i wanna marry a man (myself a man aswell), i dont infringe on anyone elses life, so it shouldnt be an issue, now should it?

Of course Communist's used Marx's Manifesto, but this isn't communism. This is a representive Democracy. When you play bass, you need an amp to be heard, you need some kind of amp to be heard louder. In democracy, there are many ways to be heard.

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]Of course Communist's used Marx's Manifesto, but this isn't communism. This is a representive Democracy. When you play bass, you need an amp to be heard, you need some kind of amp to be heard louder. In democracy, there are many ways to be heard.[/QUOTE]

what i was saying is that they use it as a politcal tool, i use the bible as what i base my beliefs on. therefore it is somewhat like a political tool. what i was saying with the amp thing, is that it is impossable to hear bass without it, and its impossable not to let my biblical beliefs affect my political views. try this, don't let your ideals or beliefs affect the way that you think on politics. impossable right? thats what you are asking of me and every other christian that is involved in politics.

lowsound

I have nothing against putting your beliefs into politics, I encourage it. But you can't sanction a group of people only because of your religious beliefs in Democracy. You can petition for it and you can rally for it, but you can't do it.

'lo bass forum.

In a democracy with a religious majority, religious opinion becomes very relevant to politics.

Still politically debating?

yeah i know. isnt steinbach north though? wait, maybe north east. o well. i know where you mean. maybe we could meet in winnipeg at like long and mcquade or something?

the person in the bible to speak out about homosexuality being wrong was michael, who also was a raging sexcist, if we can outlvie one bias why not two?
edit this was in response to what you said low sound

Hey bv you got it right. Aug 03 crew does rule!!

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]I have nothing against putting your beliefs into politics, I encourage it. But you can't sanction a group of people only because of your religious beliefs in Democracy. You can petition for it and you can rally for it, but you can't do it.[/QUOTE]

so you are saying that i can have my religious beliefs in politics but i can't put them into politics? so then why can you put your agnostic beliefs into it then? its the same thing really.

lowsound

[QUOTE=ridethelightning]yeah i know. isnt steinbach north though? wait, maybe north east. o well. i know where you mean. maybe we could meet in winnipeg at like long and mcquade or something?[/QUOTE]

maybe, and its south. i just checked a map of canada.

lowsound

You can put them into politics but you can't make them into laws, or amend the constitution because of religion.

[QUOTE=Left Shoe]the person in the bible to speak out about homosexuality being wrong was michael, who also was a raging sexcist, if we can outlvie one bias why not two?
edit this was in response to what you said low sound[/QUOTE]

leviticus 20:13
"the penitly for homosexual acts is death to both parties"

no since that is found in the old testiment, things have change a bit, you can be forgiven for the sinful act of homosexuality. this comes from a list of sexual sins that starts at leviticus 20:1. also this was to show you that it is considered a sin in all parts of the bible, not just the new testiment (i think thats what you are refering to)

lowsound

alright cool.
its not a big town.
lambofdeth (mx member) is also a winnipeger/.

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]You can put them into politics but you can't make them into laws, or amend the constitution because of religion.[/QUOTE]

then why can you do the same with agnostic beliefs or islamic (its been done) or athist?

lowsound

[QUOTE=ridethelightning]alright cool.
its not a big town.
lambofdeth (mx member) is also a winnipeger/.[/QUOTE]

cool, i dont really know where i am staying. as i am not staying with my sis, because her school doesn't let that happen. if i am looking for a place ill give you a holler. but i don't think that will happen, i think that i might even be staying in landmark.

lowsound

haha

how old are you?

16

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]then why can you do the same with agnostic beliefs or islamic (its been done) or athist?

lowsound[/QUOTE]

When have athiest or islamic beliefs been put into a democracy?