[QUOTE=JamJar]What songs have you heard? :confused:

/hasn't posted here in ages[/QUOTE]
Eulogy, Pu****, Aenema, sober, 46&2, Ticks and leeches, the grudge, schism, prison sex, Parabola, lateralus, hush, faaip de Oiad.
13 songs, actually.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]I have ten assorted Tool songs...I can't see what all the fuss about Carey is.[/QUOTE]

If you don't have it, download Ticks and Leechs ASAP. Even though you don't like Tool, I don't see how you can deny how great that intro is.

As for the final poll, I cast my vote for Neil. I'm really pissed that him, Bozzio, Moon, or Baker aren't winning.

Edit: Nevermind, you do have Ticks and Leechs.

[QUOTE=ghettoeddo]SUPPORT PORTNOY!!!!

i have several tool CD's now too, but nothing really strikes me as OMGHE'SSOGOOD but i've had that a bit w/ portnoy.
not that i know much abt drumming being a guitarrist, [B]but portnoy really is much more technically capable and has a greater sense of time signatures i think.[/B][/QUOTE]
I disagree, to me Carey seems like a more talented drummer, and his rhythms are much more intricate. MP is a master of complex time signatures, but so is Carey.

I like Tool, Maynard just spoils them for me totally.

The man really cannot sing. Maybe he would if he sang up more, he just mumbles and shouts ocasionally.

hey guys, i don't know if this is old, but here's the Highway Star cover.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=TmFvF8TQTcM&eurl=http%3A//ultimate-guitar.com/news/online_downloads/dream_theater_cover_deep_purple_video_online.html&iurl=http%3A//sjl-static4.sjl.youtube.com/vi/TmFvF8TQTcM/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLdVfBFOaHcXFw5JPT4FKZz[/url]

yea it's beeen around.

i dont really like maynard mcuh either. he's got a good voice when he actually is singing, but it's usually mumbling or just yelling.

i haven't heard anything by tool which showcases carey's portnoy-beating-skills.
recommendations besides the ones listed above?

^A couple examples off the top of my head of some impressive playing would be the end of The Grudge and the end of Schism.

ok ill check it out.

portnoy's got some realyl complex rhythms and licks, but...ok

EDIT: yea he's solid. very solid. and im not gonna lie, but i really like his drumming. on the other hand, i still think portnoy's much better. maybe carey just doesn't show what he's got with tool

At least we can agree that they are both amazing drummers :thumb:

Carey is a great drummer, as well as Portnoy. It's difficult to tell who is better, but I kind of prefer Portnoy.

I've heard some Tool and still think Portnoy > Carey. I don't see how Portnoy 'lacks creativity'.

portnoy is not technically all that amazing but he writes really creative stuff and one of the best live drummers ive ever seen

Exactly. He pushes himself to the limits physically and mentally. He didn't get violentely ill after the Roseland show because he was constantely doing insanely fast double bass, or because he was thrashing the kit...

...it was because he drank too many Red Bulls.

:P

Nah, seriously, it was because he's so creative in his music that even though the parts arn't 'fast', 'thrashy' or double bass...y, he still uses all 4 limbs to quite a large rate due to the size of his kit. The only reason his kits are so large is because he doesn't want to limit himself. He wants as many options open to himself as possible, rather than adding in drum-dubbing.

The parts he writes are just awesome - especially his older stuff. Very creative.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]portnoy is not technically all that amazing but he writes really creative stuff and one of the best live drummers ive ever seen[/QUOTE]
That's completely opposite to what most people argue about him though :x

[quote=PinkFreud]Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, O.S.I. - Good talent, lack of creativity hurts him.[/quote]
Ok, he doesn't say anything about technicality, but I swear in an older round (Maybe the first round Portnoy appeared in), something about his technicality and lack-of-creation.

I agree with you though, I find Portnoy extremely creative, he just knows when to use what, no matter how subtle it is, it just works.

Portnoy's one of the most creative drummers i know IMO

i totally agree. when i read pinkfreud's description, i was hurt. i don't think he's heard all that portnoy can do.

i know the poll isn't based all on chops and writing ability, but also on influence and things like that...but portnoy should still do extremely well imo.

to me, he is the epitome of the drumming world right now. i realize people like moon, bonham and peart are much more influential and thus "great," but give portnoy some time...and i think he'll be just as much a legend as them :smoke:

Carey will win the poll (probably) but

Portnoy>Carey

Dance Of Eternity, Erotomania etc..

[QUOTE=Chu]That's completely opposite to what most people argue about him though :x


Ok, he doesn't say anything about technicality, but I swear in an older round (Maybe the first round Portnoy appeared in), something about his technicality and lack-of-creation.[/QUOTE]
I think it was something like "just plays technical beats as fast as possible and lacks any creativity"

I think people just think of him as a machine because he's in Dream Theater.

Pollstarter has nfi what he's talking about.

Sif Portnoy ever plays as fast as he can... He [b]is[/b] a machine...

Portnoy is the youngest ever drummer to make the Modern Drummer Hall of Fame.

I don't think anyone is arguing with the fact he's awesome, but obviously when you get to the top 10 its hard to seperate people.

[QUOTE=Inkstar]Pollstarter has nfi what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree, to be honest. He's very biased towards Classic rock drummers. But that's his particular love, I'm sure if I ran the poll, I would be biased towards drummers from bands I love.

You'd make sure Portnoy would win.

[QUOTE=Flower Dance]You'd make sure Portnoy would win.[/QUOTE]


You say it like its a bad thing.

I would though:p

NP-Rush-Subdivisions

Peart ftw. i'm sorry, but i had to vote for him ahead of Portnoy.

[QUOTE=red barchetta]Peart ftw. i'm sorry, but i had to vote for him ahead of Portnoy.[/QUOTE]


TREASON!


Peart is a good drummer though.

I couldn't really say who was better: Peart or Portnoy
I personally prefer DT over Rush, but that's not really a liable reason.

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]TREASON!


Peart is a good drummer though.[/QUOTE]
that's another thing.

peart is sposed to be so much better than portnoy, but i think it's safe to say that portnoy is much more musically capable and technically capable as well.
the only thing peart has is that...portnoy's drumming derives mainly from peart's.

i love rush and tool but dream theater still takes the cake for me.

someone said that people assume portnoy is a machine because he's in dream theater. i think that's a good point, but it's a completely false assumption to make. sure, they can be at times, but i'd say the majority of their writing flows very well

Yup Dream Theater is the prog band I listen to most

[QUOTE=eug008]Yup Dream Theater is the prog band I listen to most[/QUOTE]


Same here, although I listen to alot of Rush, Spiral Architect, Opeth, King Crimson and Pain of Salvation as well.

I can't really listen to rush or any other 70's prog because of the vocals, but I like the instrumentals etc...

I just don't like Rush that much. Good band but I'm just not really interested.

Flower Dance, check [url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=53153]this[/url] out :eek:

So good, Petrucci + Friedman :o

ATTN THREAD:

I have just creamed my pants.

I cannot wait.

That sounds really cool. Two of my top favorite guitarists on one album sounds amazing.

[QUOTE=Chu]Flower Dance, check [url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=53153]this[/url] out :eek:

So good, Petrucci + Friedman :o[/QUOTE]

HOOLLLLLY **** YES

*Implodes*

*splooge*

if im not mistaken, marty friedman is one of the guitarrists for cacophony, amirite? :smoke:

Dear god, Marty Freidmen, John Petrucci, and Steve Vai will be on a record together, and soon Mike Portnoy, Micheal Akerfeldt, and Steve Wilson will be making one together. Sweet.