most modern bands that are considered metalcore are just aping what botch and converge did a couple of years ago, and modern converge is probably the most legit metalcore still around

I consider them more mathcore, than metalcore.

I like some metalcore, but most sounds the same. I dont see the problem liking a band if they copy the others. They might even pull it off better than some of the copycats. Music is music. why do people argue?

[QUOTE=okay;15451315]most modern bands that are considered metalcore are just aping what botch and converge did a couple of years ago, and modern converge is probably the most legit metalcore still around[/QUOTE]

They don't even do anything musical they do, other then distorted guitars. harmonically, melodically, and rhythmically you can't even compare. Metalcore is characterized by its musically simplistic nature. Being an inspiration to a genre does not make a part of the genre.

[QUOTE=Aakon_Keetreh;15451323]I like some metalcore, but most sounds the same. I dont see the problem liking a band if they copy the others. They might even pull it off better than some of the copycats. Music is music. why do people argue?[/QUOTE]

Then there is no point to discussing.

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica;15451318]I consider them more mathcore, than metalcore.[/QUOTE]
I think they can be synonymous.

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica;15451330]They don't even do anything musical they do, other then distorted guitars. harmonically, melodically, and rhythmically you can't even compare. Metalcore is characterized by its musically simplistic nature. Being an inspiration to a genre does not make a part of the genre.



Then there is no point to discussing.[/QUOTE]

metalcore is not characteristically simple, and no being an inspiration does essentially ingrain you in the genre, dont form a description of the genre based on bands that are doing cheap immitations of what the pioneers did a couple years ago.

Metalcore = (Metal + Hardcore) / 2

i think we should do away with all hardcore's subgenres
and
just call it all hardcore

[QUOTE=JumpTheF**kUp;15451361]Metalcore = (Metal + Hardcore) / 2[/QUOTE]

Average!!

[QUOTE=okay;15451366]i think we should do away with all hardcore's subgenres
and
just call it all hardcore[/QUOTE]

Hardcore is simplistic, mainly the metal is thrown in because of the vocals.
[QUOTE=okay;15451344]metalcore is not characteristically simple, and no being an inspiration does essentially ingrain you in the genre, dont form a description of the genre based on bands that are doing cheap immitations of what the pioneers did a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]

Provide some evidence and examples to the debate, you are simply asserting I'm wrong. That does nothing for your argument, but make you look stupid. I asking you to prove me worng, not say that I am wrong.

there is no rule that says hardcore has to be simplistic

[QUOTE=Monticello;15451266]Most of the metalcore I hear these days sounds pretty similar. But I'm not really educated I suppose, so if you can show me some good original metalcore bands that aren't Botch or Converge, I'll agree with you.[/QUOTE]

Shai Hulud
Rosesdead
Between the Buried and Me
Bridge to Solace
Zombie Apocalypse
Indecision
Miscreants

...all represent entirely different styles of metalcore (while undoubtedly retaining both metal and hardcore elements [BtBaM maybe not belonging on the list but, meh]) and I think they're all really good. :)

[QUOTE=okay;15451382]there is no rule that says hardcore has to be simplistic[/QUOTE]

Okay, its not the is an International Genre Assocation. Characteristics of music dictate its genre.

Thanks Pete.:chug:

Zombie Apocalypse is so goddamn good.

[QUOTE=FatPete;15451393]Shai Hulud
Rosesdead
Between the Buried and Me
Bridge to Solace
Zombie Apocalypse
Indecision
Miscreants

...all represent entirely different styles of metalcore (while undoubtedly retaining both metal and hardcore elements [BtBaM maybe not belonging on the list but, meh]) and I think they're all really good. :)[/QUOTE]

I always think people associating BTBAM with metalcore is such a bad thing because they are so much better, as well as incorporate so many different styles as opposed to what bands are considered metalcore. My friend called them metalcore, and I just stared at him.

Also, Shai Hulud is really good.<3

Shai Hulud is really good so far, but that's only a few seconds talking because The Simpsons is on and that gets priority :thumb:

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15451492]Zombie Apocalypse is so goddamn good.[/QUOTE]

more true than butter on toast

i just want them to drop a full-length, concept album (though that's a given since they're sort of a concept band)

it'd be so awesome

Shai Hulud is boring. Zombie Apocalypse is cool, though.

My band opened for Shai Hulud [and Dead To Fall and One Dead Three Wounded] last September.