I didn't like it at first, but it has definantly grown on me.

anyone heard of the following?

1. Platinum Pied Pipers
2. Othello
3. Baby Blak
4. Sergio Mendes - Timeless
5. Pete Philly & Perquisite

pretty good shyt check those out for something new

Pete Philly & Perquisite are pretty awesome. It's quite remarkable for a couple of newcomers from Holland to get Talib Kweli to perform on your album...
[url=http://www.ourmindstate.com/]link[/url]

The best Dutch hiphop group is Opgezwolle though, IMHO. Most of you won't understand the lyrics, but the production is so good that it still deserves a listen. Their latest album is the best hiphop record i've heard in years.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMnulF6x4I&search=opgezwolle]video 1[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC56NbV5kpE&search=opgezwolle]video 2[/url]

[QUOTE=sum1soiledMyBongos]The best Dutch hiphop group is Opgezwolle though, IMHO. Most of you won't understand the lyrics, but the production is so good that it still deserves a listen. Their latest album is the best hiphop record i've heard in years.[/QUOTE]
yeah i've heard of that group via another member from this site, i love some foreign hip hop, i listen to quite a bit of it :) plus although some people think language can be a barrier i think it's the opposite, music as they say is a universal language you just have to look at that as another instrument and stay open to new things to better appreciate what it is and or what it is the artist is trying to do via a sonic soundscape

[QUOTE=antiant]yeah i've heard of that group via another member from this site, i love some foreign hip hop, i listen to quite a bit of it :) plus although some people think language can be a barrier i think it's the opposite, music as they say is a universal language you just have to look at that as another instrument and stay open to new things to better appreciate what it is and or what it is the artist is trying to do via a sonic soundscape[/QUOTE]
I agree, i listen to some foreign hiphop as well. Or hiphop with lyrics that otherwise don't make sense to me (e.g. Ghostface).

It does need a little extra though. It needs more variation in the production, i mean if i like the lyrics in a song then i might settle for a lazy, average beat that just keeps on rolling from start to finish. But if it's in a foreign language then that's mindnumbingly boring. Voice/flow/delivery also becomes more important, as you said the voice is more of an instrument if you take away the meaning of the words. If music is good in all those categories, then it can be in Kantonese for all i care.

So you've heard of Opgezwolle? They just released an album last month, which is excellent as far as the soundscape is concerned. They obviously put much effort in making it exciting and dynamic musically, it sounds very moody (dark, gritty, anrgy) and it's quite original too.

[QUOTE=antiant]1. Platinum Pied Pipers
4. Sergio Mendes - Timeless
[/QUOTE]

I've heard these two. PPP is pretty darn good. Plus they turned me on to Ubiquity Records, who have some sweet vintage releases. [I]Timeless[/I], I'm not so hot on. Although I like the track with Erykah Badu.

[QUOTE=Robert Crumb]I've heard these two. PPP is pretty darn good. Plus they turned me on to Ubiquity Records, who have some sweet vintage releases. [I]Timeless[/I], I'm not so hot on. Although I like the track with Erykah Badu.[/QUOTE]
yeah i've skimmed Sergio Mendes - Timeless cd and it was complete crap i was so disappointed especially with the "guests" on there, but sometimes too many guests isn't a good thing, i think in this case they were trying too hard or something, there just wasn't any substance there

[QUOTE=sum1soiledMyBongos]I agree, i listen to some foreign hiphop as well. Or hiphop with lyrics that otherwise don't make sense to me (e.g. Ghostface).

It does need a little extra though. It needs more variation in the production, i mean if i like the lyrics in a song then i might settle for a lazy, average beat that just keeps on rolling from start to finish. But if it's in a foreign language then that's mindnumbingly boring. Voice/flow/delivery also becomes more important, as you said the voice is more of an instrument if you take away the meaning of the words. If music is good in all those categories, then it can be in Kantonese for all i care.

So you've heard of Opgezwolle? They just released an album last month, which is excellent as far as the soundscape is concerned. They obviously put much effort in making it exciting and dynamic musically, it sounds very moody (dark, gritty, anrgy) and it's quite original too.[/QUOTE]
sounds good, i've only heard like 1 track or so, but i'm going to have to try and see if i can get them or something...i love foreign hip hop, but i hate the fact that it's so hard to get here in the states

i just bought ursula rucker's new cd called "ma'aat mama" she's a spoken word poetry artist and weaves her poetry with music and sometimes has a hip hop feel, this album specifically has more of a hip hop feel, compared to her other albums (Soul Sista & Silver or Lead) so i've heard anyways she's been featured on The Roots albums a few times among other artists and is one of my favorites, her lyricism and realness is on point and speaks on so many issues, check her out as well she won't let you down if you are into this kind of stuff...haven't listened to the album yet, but i'm about to :thumb:
here's a link if anyone is interested:
[URL="http://www.ursula-rucker.com/maat.html"]Ursula Rucker[/URL]

I downloaded some Deltron 3030 a while ago, it was really good.

[QUOTE=antiant]i just bought ursula rucker's new cd called "ma'aat mama" she's a spoken word poetry artist and weaves her poetry with music and sometimes has a hip hop feel, this album specifically has more of a hip hop feel, compared to her other albums (Soul Sista & Silver or Lead) so i've heard anyways she's been featured on The Roots albums a few times among other artists and is one of my favorites, her lyricism and realness is on point and speaks on so many issues, check her out as well she won't let you down if you are into this kind of stuff...haven't listened to the album yet, but i'm about to :thumb:
here's a link if anyone is interested:
[URL="http://www.ursula-rucker.com/maat.html"]Ursula Rucker[/URL][/QUOTE]
I picked the album up two days ago and it's nice. Upon first listen I'd say it's a 4/5. I'm starting to really get into spoken word, like Saul Williams and Gil Scott Heron too, good stuff.

[QUOTE=sum1soiledMyBongos]So you've heard of Opgezwolle? They just released an album last month, which is excellent as far as the soundscape is concerned. They obviously put much effort in making it exciting and dynamic musically, it sounds very moody (dark, gritty, anrgy) and it's quite original too.[/QUOTE]
How is it compared to Vloeistof? Cause that's a very nice album. Verre Oosten is one hell of a banger.

Sorry for knowing nothing, but is a mixtape in hip hop culture just the equivalent of a comp?

[QUOTE=Flagjacket]Sorry for knowing nothing, but is a mixtape in hip hop culture just the equivalent of a comp?[/QUOTE]
this is for you [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixtape"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixtape[/URL]

[QUOTE=LF96]I picked the album up two days ago and it's nice. Upon first listen I'd say it's a 4/5. I'm starting to really get into spoken word, like Saul Williams and Gil Scott Heron too, good stuff.[/quote]
yeah there's quite a bit out there, check out Taalam Acey as well

Been listening to Grouch & Eligh "No more greener grasses." It's very good. Also, I can't stop listening to The Fugees "The Score." That album creates such a cool mood if you listen to it from start to finish.

[QUOTE=Jaded]Been listening to Grouch & Eligh "No more greener grasses." [/QUOTE]
heh i have that album, but haven't bothered to give it a true listen yet

MC Solaar, francaphone ner rapper. What you guys think of him?

from the little i've heard, Mc Solaar is good, but i need to acquire some more from him, i only have a couple of tracks, which isn't much

Have you seen the video for La Vie Est Belle, or heard that song?
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/12275089/Mc_Solaar_-_La_Vie_Est_Belle.avi.html[/url]

Man, I'm diggin it.

Prose Combat is one of my favorite albums. Solaar is so smooth and the beats are very jazzy.

I need some stuff similiar to Immortal Technique. Ideas?

[QUOTE=Necronomicon]I need some stuff similiar to Immortal Technique. Ideas?[/QUOTE]
Dead Prez comes to mind.

Man, Operation Doomsday is a dope album. Is that one of MF Doom's early ones? His voice sounds so young.

[QUOTE=Necronomicon]I need some stuff similiar to Immortal Technique. Ideas?[/QUOTE]
Paris perhaps as well as Dead Prez (as mentioned)

anyone listen to horrorcore rap? or gangsta rap? and i'm talking about underground not mainstream so forget dr. dre, ice cube and all that stuff

I like Necro, Ill Bill, Non Phixion, that kind of thing.

I had a friend who was big fan of Ill Bill a while ago. He seem ok, but I wouldn't say he was anything to write home about. Judging by what wikipedia has to say, I don't think I'd be a huge fan of Horrorcore.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]I had a friend who was big fan of Ill Bill a while ago. He seem ok, but I wouldn't say he was anything to write home about. Judging by what wikipedia has to say, I don't think I'd be a huge fan of Horrorcore.[/QUOTE]
yeah not too many people can take it, horrorcore rap that is, it talks about shyt that really scares people i suppose, at any rate i was talking about artist like Brotha Lynch Hung, X-Raided, Mars and underground gangsta rap like perhaps C-Bo, Ecay Uno, Woodie, Loki, Phonk Beta, First Degree the D.E, Zigg Zagg, Marvaless, Gangsta Nip, Young Droop, Yukmouth, Mac Dre, Messy Marv, San Quinn, Droop-E, Turf Talk, Mista FAB, The Jacka, Mob Figaz, E-40, Killa Tay, Luni Coleone a.k.a. Lunasicc, Rappin 4 Tay, g.l.p. (get low playas), keak da sneak, jt the bigga figga, pizzo, c.o.s., fig naytion, sicx, rass kass, kam (l.a. area) (mostly all that bay area flava/sac-town/antioch/vallejo etc)

[QUOTE=Slug]Man, Operation Doomsday is a dope album. Is that one of MF Doom's early ones? His voice sounds so young.[/QUOTE]
It's MF Doom's debut. It's not that old tho, I think it was released in 2001 or something. However, it's not his first album, it's just the first from that alter-ego. Before that, he had been in the group KMD together with his brother (Subroc) in the early 90s. Then he went under the name Zev Luv X. The group broke up after the dead of Subroc after only having made two albums of which only one was released (Mr. Hood), the other one was thought to be too controversial (the name was Black Bastards and the cover art showed a black man being hung up) and was not released at first. Several bootlegs have surfaced though, and with the internet now, you should be able to get it. Mr. Hood has been re-issued on vinyl last year if I remember right.

Some other Doom alter-ego's/groups:

Viktor Vaughn
Madvillain (with Madlib)
DangerDoom (with Dangermouse)
Monsta Island Czars (M.I.C.)
King Geedorah
He has also released some albums with MF Grimm

MF Doom is probably the most productive rapper on this blue earth.


As for hardcore hiphop, I hardly listen to it. And if I do it's mostly for the beats (M.O.P. for instance, but they're quite commercial).

When I was younger, I used to be way into the Luniz. Not so much anymore, but they're still good for a listen every now and then. I'm familiar with a lot of Bay Area names since I'm from that part of the globe, although I don't listen to much of the gangsta sh[I]i[/I]t that comes out; E-40's got some alright stuff, same with Brotha Lynch Hung. My brother was way into this stuff so I heard a lot of it by association.