[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Until last nite i hadn't actually gone and read the message for myself, so now that I have I understand a lil better : In my opinion, APC are expressing their veiwpoint (IE get rid of bush!) but not enforcing it, instead they're asking their audience to exercise their own judgement, get off their *** and vote.
It seems that the main idea is to get people to think for themselves by taking an interest, and question authority by making an informed decision.
Here in AUS we dont have that issue since its compulsory to vote, so i don't fully understand how it works for all you US citizens! :)[/QUOTE]

Im a UK resident, so our system is similar to the US, but I must admit I dont fully understand the full working and potential outcomes from their system. I still keep my idea of implied ideals, but I can understand that this could be seen as simply another form of free expression. (I knew I would have an opinion that wasn't agreed with eventually :upset: )


as for the Outsider remix, I haven't heard it yet, but if its anything like the Weak and Powerless remix, im looking forward to it. However, if its like the Pet/judith remix, then........

Was it Danny Lohner who remixed this one again?

It's a resident Renholder Mix. I like it. I think it's pretty **** cool, but it is definitely a different sounding song.

Yeah, a remix to be good needs to change the song somehow to take it on to a different form, as long as that form itself is good.

OT: I heard there's a new deftones song on that album, is it any good?

In the end though, no-one can beat Trent Reznor for remixes.

Trent is cool, but there is better.

DJ Dangermouse?

Never heard him...er...it.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Yeah, a remix to be good needs to change the song somehow to take it on to a different form, as long as that form itself is good.

OT: I heard there's a new deftones song on that album, is it any good?[/QUOTE]

I's called The Chauffeur.

I think's it pretty cool sounding. Not the best I've heard, but it's good. I like the rytthem.

"The Chauffer" is a Duran Duran cover, and it is in no means, new. its been out for some time now. .. this isnt a deftones thread so this must end here! :)

[QUOTE=ToolOwnsYou]"The Chauffer" is a Duran Duran cover, and it is in no means, new. its been out for some time now. .. this isnt a deftones thread so this must end here! :)[/QUOTE]

New as in unreleased, its not been on any CD (so you must have downloaded it :mad: )

But welcome back to 'your' thread, we have gone a little off topic now and then, but we seem to be on the APC discussion at the moment, but if you have any more views on lyrics, it would be great to read them.

[QUOTE=Medopalis]Just reposting this in here...Fast Fingers mentioned that you guys were discussing the title of Lateralus being somehow related to chemical elements in here or something? So here's a link I found on it. If you've seen it before, then apologies and all that...

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234290[/url]


*backs out of thread*[/QUOTE]

You sure thats a correct link? It was just a n00b from tc thread.

Unless you're being ironic in some way, I doubt it though, you're an intelligent poster.

[QUOTE=xtreme450]you wouldn't happen to have a link to that board would you? i mixed the album like that last night, and it worked amazingly well. plus, i'd like to know how that person came up with that song order. from first glance, it seems to contradict the fibbonaci sequence. things like that just kind of interest me. not math, but the whole alternate track listing. no offense to math or people who love it.[/QUOTE]


Oh man, I don't even remember what site it was at. I'm sorry. I saw this a long time ago and just copy/pasted that into a word document so I wouldn't lose it. Sorry. :(

Not seen that one yet, thanks, ill read it after the match

WellPet is IMO the best track off 13th Step, and its a definite taster of what APC usually sound like. THere are those hard edged songs, and there are the more melodic mood music. If what blew you away was the guitar, that is what you should expect from the rest of their songs.
The transition to Tool is a case of longer, darker, and more progressive (though that term is argued).
So if you liked Pet, there's plenty more material out there by both bands that fit that need.

Songs that sound like it include

A Perfect Circle - Judith, The Hollow, The Outsider, The Package

Tool - Aenima, Pu****, Eulogy, The Grudge, Ticks and Leeches

Those songs are IMO in the same category as Pet

(and kudos for not downloading :thumb: )

Is pizza better than ice cream?

Same question could go to 13th step and mer de noms.
13th step seems to be more universally friendly and has better stad out tracks, but mer de noms is a more solid album overall. So its based on your normal album preference, whether you want something you can listen to all the way through, or one wheere you want to hear the best songs and skip the odd filer track

I like 13th step much better than mer de noms.

[QUOTE=joebass]I like 13th step much better than mer de noms.[/QUOTE]
At first, I didn't agree...but the more I listen to Thirteenth Step, I agree. Don't get me wrong, Mer De Noms is a AMAZING album, but the songs off of Thirteenth Step are great (I love Gravity). If you compared them, which I don't think you should, 13th would edge MdN.

Back on Tool...I really like Undertow, I think its kinda forgotten (besides Sober) in a lot of Tool fans heads, due to the obsession with Aenima and Lateralus. But it's now my 2nd favorite Tool album (just passed Aenima). Why do you think this is?

As for bassists who read this (Joz, especially), do you think Paul D'Amour would have fit into what Tool is doing now and do you think that he is as good as Justin? Personally, Justin does more, but if you look at Opiate and Undertow, Adam isn't playing anything very complicated, so in a sense, the band might not have grown enough to showcase Paul.

Im no bassist, but I think I can comment somehow

Pre aenima, AJ had not really encorporated effects into Tools music (there were the odd parts). When Justin joined, he brought along his methods of playing with effects (something that he had been toying with in Peach), which brought Tool's music into the new direction, with both string players using effects, especially evident on Third eye. When you look at the songs that Paul co-wrote (Pu**** comes to mind), there isn't as many effects by a long way.

So if Paul had stayed, IMO, Tool's music would be a lot different today. But thats just my idea, maybe the change would have happened whether he had left or not

Hey Adam Jones, send some tool around in the mx gmail chain.

Ok, video/mp3/pics, you name it....ill send it direct to yours though, I think every one else will have already got Tool stuff. You addy the same as your username?

EDit: Sod it, ill chain some like you said, sending a 'comical' live video

nope [email]constipatedhack@gmail.com[/email]

alright

Just realised, is there an easier way to chain send something? All i do is put all contacts into the to: box. That'll work, I hope

yeah just copy and paste everything, thats what I do

****, the video's too big, ok, ill just send some live stuff

sweet, listening to flood now. I really need some money, so I can pick up lateralus and aenima.

Floods off Undertow, i might send a live Aenima version tommorrow.

Gmail, what a great idea

I already got 190 MB in mine, im gonna need another gmail :lol:

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I already got 190 MB in mine, im gonna need another gmail :lol:[/QUOTE]

gmail is available??????

Ummm...gmail?
please explain!
I have no idea what you're all talking about, and I didn't think i was that behind!

Apologies for the consecutive posts, but:

Does anyone know of a site that has all the APC lyrics together, a la the lyrics @ TOOLshed?
I'd like to do a bit of analysis of 13th step as an album, but so far haven't been able to get hold of all the songs together. I don't mind if they're unofficial, I'll make corrections if its different to what I hear.

So i'm lazy, i know I could just write them all out myself...but I'm so sure an even more obsessed fan has done so already.

Interested to read the comments earlier that adam_jones_is_GOD thought Mer de Noms is a more complete album.
I completely disagree! I hear 13th step as an entire concept, with all the songs being about the stages and facets of addiction, and this to me makes it more of an 'album' as opposed to a collection of songs.
I sometimes cherish my first taste of a band, especially those who, like tool or APC feel like a revelation the first time. So when I heard 13th step at the record store i actually thought it was boring....then interesting....then eventually I was in the right mood months later and i bought it. twas great!

It wasn't til after a particularly potent pill earlier this year that i heard it in a new perspective and loved it. I think listening to it on the comedown of a pyschedlic experience, when the third eye was "well n truly squigeed clean" opened me to the full force of maynards themes. To this day i can feel the emotion in my chest when those songs kick in....