[QUOTE=Perverted Pixie Nudist Colony]ii can't believe eddie van halen was 72nd...[/QUOTE]
meh he doesn't do it for me.

Angus young is to repetitive, he's good at what he does but that seems to entail very little.

ya i dont like van halen either. i respect his talent, but he just isnt what im looking for in a guitarist he seems to be too much flash, not enough feeling.
plus he said Page plays guitar like a two year old with a broken hand, which find terribly rude to say about one of your guitar elders.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]ya i dont like van halen either. i respect his talent, but he just isnt what im looking for in a guitarist he seems to be too much flash, not enough feeling.
plus he said Page plays guitar like a two year old with a broken hand, which find terribly rude to say about one of your guitar elders.[/QUOTE]
better like a two year old than like a robot.

van halen definitely shoulda been further up, he's one of the only guitarists of that time to create his own style. (Along with Randy Rhoads)

Robbie Kreiger has alot of cool songs. I'd say he's definitely a great songwriter, not necessarily a technical player.

No to be a dick, but if you can't hear whats great about Neil Peart, you have absolutely no musical awareness.

Listen to Xanadu, O Baterista, 2112, listen to his shuffle on Subdivisions, pretty much any track should be able to showcase his skills.

His creativity, syncopation, limb independance, precision, all are nearly unmatched.

[QUOTE=wholedzep]van halen definitely shoulda been further up, he's one of the only guitarists of that time to create his own style. (Along with Randy Rhoads)[/QUOTE]
Ya but his style was show off. It's boring if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Robbie Kreiger has alot of cool songs. I'd say he's definitely a great songwriter, not necessarily a technical player.

No to be a dick, but if you can't hear whats great about Neil Peart, you have absolutely no musical awareness.

Listen to Xanadu, O Baterista, 2112, listen to his shuffle on Subdivisions, pretty much any track should be able to showcase his skills.

His creativity, syncopation, limb independance, precision, all are nearly unmatched.[/QUOTE]
Gadd > Peart!

[QUOTE=badmoon349]How does someone like Angus Young make it on a 100 best guitarist list?[/QUOTE]

His stuff is fun to listen to. What more do you really need?

[QUOTE=rock not roll]His stuff is fun to listen to. What more do you really need?[/QUOTE]
I find it only being fun to listen to for pump up stuff, but for that it's good.

[QUOTE=RockAndRoll]Gadd > Peart![/QUOTE]

Harsh words. Prove it.

paranoidd: i have really only heard a couple songs by rush, closer to the heart being the only one i have listening to enough to learn the song. all of their songs i have just focused on learning the guitar parts, i havent really focused on the drumming parts.
and when it comes to picking out good drumming, i probably dont have very good ears anyway. my brother drums all day long so i have tried to learn to tune it out. ;)

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Harsh words. Prove it.[/QUOTE]
well for starters Gadd > all.
Listen to aja, be shocked and awed at gadd's amazing ability. Then realize he sight read that.

Warning: heavy breathing, fainting and death may occur.

Listen to fifty ways to leave your lover (best groove ever and I can play it :D)
this man has the best feel ever.

Listen to his stuff on drummerworld.com, Like I said Gadd > all.

who does Gadd drum for? pardon my ignorance.

edit- while we are talking about drummers...what does everyone think of mitch mitchell? if i was a drummer, i would wanna play like him.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]who does Gadd drum for? pardon my ignorance.[/QUOTE]
He's drummed for alot of people. But he's more of a freelance guy than a band member. He has being playing for clapton for a while now though, he tours with him and played on me and mr. johnson, possibly some other of his albums too, I don't know.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]who does Gadd drum for? pardon my ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Same, us non drumming folks only know the main ones.

oh cool, do you know any songs that i could identify him with?

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]who does Gadd drum for? pardon my ignorance.

edit- while we are talking about drummers...what does everyone think of mitch mitchell? if i was a drummer, i would wanna play like him.[/QUOTE]

I heart Mitch Mitchell.

Meh, I'm sure there are tons of better drummers than Peart, however most great drummers get involved with Jazz, due to it's improv and tricky timing tendencies.

I don't know if Peart could do Gadd, or vice versa.

fifty ways to leave your lover - paul simon
aja - Steely dan
anything off of me and mr johnson - clapton

I don't know if you'd recognize much else

but here's a list of people he's worked with

Steely Dan
Chick Corea
Chuck Mangione
Jim Hall
Stanley Clarke
Paul Simon
George Benson
Rickie Lee Jones
The Gadd Gang
Bob James
Cornell Dupree
Richard Tee
Ronnie Cuber
Eddie Gomez
Jon Faddis
Steps
Eric Gale
Anthony Jackson
Michel Petrucciani
Steve Kahn
Gladys Knight
Yusef Lateef
Manhattan Jazz
Quintett
Lew Soloff
Manhattan Transfer
Herbie Mann
Dave Matthews
Paul McCartney
Willie Lee
Dave Liebman
Kenny Loggins
Mike Mainieri
Chuck Mangione
Sergio Mendes
Bette Middler
Herp Alpert
Patti Austin
Chet Baker
Gato Barbieri
Ron Carter
Ray Charles
Eric Clapton
Joe Cocker
Ray Baretto
Joe Beck
Bee Gees
George Benson
Bob Berg
Carla Bley
The Brecker Brothers
Larry Coryell
Deodato
Al Di Meola
Doctor John
Simon & Garfunkel
Frank Sinatra
Spyro Gyra
Ringo Starr
Grover Washington
Mongo Santamaria
Yoshio Suzuki
Michel Urbaniak
Sadao Watanabe
Paquito D'Rivera
John Faddis
Art Farmer
Maynard Ferguson
Georgie Fame
Eric Gale
Bobby Gosh
Kimiko Itoh
Alessi Brothers



.....and many more

These videos better be good, I had to download stupid quicktime to watch them.

Everyone already knows that Mitch Mitchell is my favorite drummer. I love his technique. It doesn't get in the way of Jimi but it also makes the songs better.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]I heart Mitch Mitchell.

Meh, I'm sure there are tons of better drummers than Peart, however most great drummers get involved with Jazz, due to it's improv and tricky timing tendencies.

I don't know if Peart could do Gadd, or vice versa.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't think anyone could do gadd, I just love his feel.

Jazz drumming awesome though, loads of legends are jazz drummers, too bad all the kids think they're nothing compared to travis!

haha, yeah. But they're just ignorant. I feel sorry for them.

oh my lord..thats quite the resume (is that the word im looking for?) he's got there. i've heard a lot of stuff from most of those artists..im really impressed.

so whats Gadd's first (or maybe last im not sure) name?

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]These videos better be good, I had to download stupid quicktime to watch them.[/QUOTE]
The videos are worth it. and while you're on there check out some of the drum battles, tis why drums >guitar. :p
Have you heard aja and fifty ways to leave your lover? they're probably his two most popular works and with good reason.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]oh my lord..thats quite the resume (is that the word im looking for?) he's got there. i've heard a lot of stuff from most of those artists..im really impressed.

so whats Gadd's first (or maybe last im not sure) name?[/QUOTE]
Steve, Steve Gadd.

im a huge fan of jazz music. every night when i come home from teaching guitar, i turn to the classical radio station because they have the jazz and blues hour every night at ten. its awesome to just unwind and indulge in some jazz as im driving home after a long night.

more people should listen to jazz...if not for the actual music, just for the inspiration.

Well I'm watching the videos, and he is an excellent drummer. I think Peart is just as capable.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Well I'm watching the videos, and he is an excellent drummer. I think Peart is just as capable.[/QUOTE]
I don't I think peart is amazing, great drummer. But I watch gadd and I am just completely blown away. It makes me want to either a) give up b)play drums every second of my life.

what are you guys basing your judgement on, speed? style? technical ability? i dont know the etiquette behind criticizing drummers.

thats right....i used the word etiquette

I guess you have to have seen him live. I mean, playing rock and playing jazz you're going to sound different. Playing the insane shuffle and timing that Gadd does is what every jazz drummer tries to do. Peart can do similar stuff, I've seen it. Maybe Gadd is better, I don't care, it's a stupid thing to argue about. You can compare Paul Bostaph and Dave Lombardo but you don't compare Cozy Powell and Danny Carey.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]what are you guys basing your judgement on, speed? style? technical ability? i dont know the etiquette behind criticizing drummers.

thats right....i used the word etiquette[/QUOTE]
not speed, all the pros are fast enough it doesn't matter. Style, musicality, technical ability. The thing I love about gadds drumming is it opens up so many new possibilities for songs because it's not just "wow look how fast he is" good, he's incredible technically and combined with his musicality....

Ten years after!!
 

Alvin Lee of Ten years after is a suberb guitarist and songwriter. Ten years after is one of the greatest blues rock (classic rock as well) bands of all time. Im sure everyone would recoginze the song "I'd love to change the world" if they heard it, and say 'oh yeah!, they're great'.

Ten years after!!
 

Alvin Lee of Ten years after is a superb guitarist and songwriter. Ten years after is one of the greatest blues rock (classic rock as well) bands of all time. Im sure everyone would recoginze the song "I'd love to change the world" if they heard it, and say 'oh yeah!, they're great'.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]what are you guys basing your judgement on, speed? style? technical ability? i dont know the etiquette behind criticizing drummers.

thats right....i used the word etiquette[/QUOTE]

Personally, I'm looking at speed, limb independance, cadence, structure, creativity/composition, overall rythym, ability to fit the music, etc.

I mean, Peart uses a big kit compared to most drummers. Gadd's in miniscule compared to Peart's, who goes all the way around. I mean, Peart does latin percussion, woodblocks, electronic triggers, etc. It's difficult to compare them unless they were both playing the same thing.

about the whole speed thing...i noticed lots of metal drummers these days are using double kick bass drum dealys. is that just to make up for lack of talent? or is it just for a more deep "metal" sound?

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]I guess you have to have seen him live. I mean, playing rock and playing jazz you're going to sound different. Playing the insane shuffle and timing that Gadd does is what every jazz drummer tries to do. Peart can do similar stuff, I've seen it. Maybe Gadd is better, I don't care, it's a stupid thing to argue about. You can compare Paul Bostaph and Dave Lombardo but you don't compare Cozy Powell and Danny Carey.[/QUOTE]
I've seen them both live. I don't really care, I'm not in this to prove to you anything, I think showing you gadd is enough. But for me Gadd is the man, he is my main inspiration.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]about the whole speed thing...i noticed lots of metal drummers these days are using double kick bass drum dealys. is that just to make up for lack of talent? or is it just for a more deep "metal" sound?[/QUOTE]
It's not to make up for a lack of talent you simply can't go as fast with one foot as you can with two, but honestly I don't care for metal.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]about the whole speed thing...i noticed lots of metal drummers these days are using double kick bass drum dealys. is that just to make up for lack of talent? or is it just for a more deep "metal" sound?[/QUOTE]

A lot of it is just for it to be heavier. Though metal drumming mostly doesn't require rythem or even much skill to fit the sound. But the great metal drummers know how to make it sound even better. It's easy to do but hard to do well.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]about the whole speed thing...i noticed lots of metal drummers these days are using double kick bass drum dealys. is that just to make up for lack of talent? or is it just for a more deep "metal" sound?[/QUOTE]

These days?

They've been around for over twenty years man. It's for speed, and the ability to get a precise syncopation that you would otherwise be unable to do. It doesn't necessarily mean lack of talent, most of the well known rock drummers have a double bass.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Personally, I'm looking at speed, limb independance, cadence, structure, creativity/composition, overall rythym, ability to fit the music, etc.

I mean, Peart uses a big kit compared to most drummers. Gadd's in miniscule compared to Peart's, who goes all the way around. I mean, Peart does latin percussion, woodblocks, electronic triggers, etc. It's difficult to compare them unless they were both playing the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less about speed, at that level there's no one who really needs to be faster. WAtch the Drum battles! I've got to be heading to bed though bye!