Oh, Opeth said themselves that it's not a concept? My bad then, i just thought it was.

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Oh, Opeth said themselves that it's not a concept? My bad then, i just thought it was.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you still haven't read it have you. It is a concept album, it should be well established at this point.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]Wow, you still haven't read it have you. It is a concept album, it should be well established at this point.[/QUOTE]


Well the other dude just told me it wasn't a concept album so what am i supposed to believe? If it is a concept album what is it about? :confused:

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Oh, Opeth said themselves that it's not a concept? My bad then, i just thought it was.[/QUOTE]
Some of the songs are connected, but the album's not a concept. Mikael Akerfeldt is quoted as saying he was going to write a concept album about occult themes but then he wrote Isolation Years and decided to ease up on it because of that. I assume that the other songs which have lyrics that don't really seem to relate to GOP/TBOTH/TGC are also not part of the concept.

Mikeal said it was a concept album, read my post a few up. It's about an occult cult, though I don't know the exact storyline.

I don't know where Flynn getting his stuff, but it's not right.

Son of a bitch, I've confused myself.

Thanks for the info. I don't really care if its a concept album or not.

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Thanks for the info. I don't really care if its a concept album or not.[/QUOTE]
Me neither. Some of the songs definitely connect (the ones I mentioned) but the others are questionable and trying to find connections to them is iffy.

Well, moving to something we can all agree on, I'm listening to the clean part of Godhead's Lament.

Life is good.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]Well, moving to something we can all agree on, I'm listening to the clean part of Godhead's Lament.

Life is good.[/QUOTE]
****in' A. I love that part.

I'm listening to Closure.

At the moment A Fair Judgement is my favorite clean song by Opeth. It's just so great!!!!

The Intro of Apostle in Triumph is friggin' bad (that means good)

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]No, I know what Route1 is talking about. I feel that on Harlequin, they dive right into the heaviness of the song too quickly and the rest of the song's sound drags on for too long.

I just liked the structure of Blackwater Park more. ...Well, and the riffs.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. There is hardly any build up anymore.


EDIT: ^^^^ Yeah, apostle in triumph is definetly one of my favorites. Right behind forest of October.

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]HAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Seriously, don't post here anymore.[/QUOTE]


It's a opinion. If I like this album, who cares. It's a opinion. Don't be immature, what are you 12? Grow up.

For the record.

****ation is my fav. ALL OF THEM ARE EXCELLENT THOUGH.

If you would like to pass a law that says I or no 1 cannot like GR than do so. But in the mean while *listens to GR*

Opeth is amazing, all of their albums are amazing, which is rare in music.

It's true.

Opeth kicks nuts.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]It's a opinion. If I like this album, who cares. It's a opinion. Don't be immature, what are you 12? Grow up.

For the record.

****ation is my fav. ALL OF THEM ARE EXCELLENT THOUGH.

If you would like to pass a law that says I or no 1 cannot like GR than do so. But in the mean while *listens to GR*[/QUOTE]
I may have problems with GR and I may not think it's their best work, but nontheless, it's a good album although it has it's weak points.

Lets just all agree Opeth kicks everyone and their brother's arses. :)

[Quote]This is a little ironic, since many of Opeth's detractors would say this about the songs on every single Opeth album. And in the interest of debate, I would be inclined to agree with that assessment. They've had more or less the same formula for songwriting on every album since Still Life. Would you say that all of those songs on Still Life, BWP, etc. TRULY sounded different, or is it simply possible that you are tired of their formula?[/Quote]

CAIN
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9994674#post9994674[/url] My old post that got swamped a few pages back.

To those that think Ghost Reveries was rushed--Mikael said that he actually finished writing it before they started recording. That's something that didn't happen with BWP, Deliverance, or ****ation. But who knows maybe Roadrunner forced Mikael to say that, so take it with a grain of salt....(In other words, There's really only one entity to blame if you don't like the album--and it ISN'T Roadrunner).

I think its interesting that they did most of the work in open tuning, especially the solos. Mike stated that when writing the new solos he couldn't use his old "licks" anymore, yet the solos give a strong sense of deja vu, don't you guys think? :lol:

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]I may have problems with GR and I may not think it's their best work, but nontheless, it's a good album although it has it's weak points.

Lets just all agree Opeth kicks everyone and their brother's arses. :)[/QUOTE]

agreed

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]agreed[/QUOTE]

Just curious could you explain where you think the weak points are in Ghost Reveries?

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Just curious could you explain where you think the weak points are in Ghost Reveries?[/QUOTE]
I did already...but I think overall it just doesn't have the "power" Opeth songs are known for. Even their soft songs.

But lets get off this issue. It will only start more fights.

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]
To those that think Ghost Reveries was rushed--Mikael said that he actually finished writing it before they started recording. That's something that didn't happen with BWP, Deliverance, or ****ation. [B]But who knows maybe Roadrunner forced Mikael to say that[/B], so take it with a grain of salt....(In other words, There's really only one entity to blame if you don't like the album--and it ISN'T Roadrunner).
[/QUOTE]

Not a chance. If you look in Opeth's news archives you'll see that he talks about having written and rehearsed months before they signed on with RR.

"Opeth will be entering Fashination street studios on March 15 to record their 8th yet untitled opus. The band are currently in rehearsal mode, which is a rare occasion having recorded the last 4 records without rehearsing"

That's in JANUARY... they didn't hit the studio until March and didn't sign until sometime in May.

So that's about 2 months rehearsal, then recording, then 2 more months and RR comes into play.

Realistically, there is no way RR had much to do with the album's contents.



I know you were just being hypothetical ES, I just wanted to point those things out to everyone :)

I hate the funky organ rhythm in the into to Baying of the Hounds.

S'not so bad.

I saw Opeth last night, it was pretty awesome. It's my third time seeing them my first show was about three years ago, and it's really weird to see how much Mikael's stage presence and interaction with the crowd has changed.

[QUOTE=spastic]I saw Opeth last night, it was pretty awesome. It's my third time seeing them my first show was about three years ago, and it's really weird to see how much Mikael's stage presence and interaction with the crowd has changed.[/QUOTE]
Was his prescense a change for the better? How close were you to him?

He seems much more comfortable on stage. It's not that he seemed uncomfortable when I first saw him, it's just that back then it was like he was thinking "Holy crap I can't believe all these crazy fans are cheering for me" the entire concert and because of that he seemed incredibly modest. Now he's definitely realized that there are tons of people that think of him as a God, and even though he still seems modest, he's much more comfortable making jokes or interacting with the crowd. I like his stage presence either way.

For most of the concert I was about 50 feet away from the stage probably. I moved closer occasionally, but I'm not the kinda guy that loves to be a few inches from the band for the entire show.

Also, if anyone has ever seen Opeth, you've probably seen Mikael say "Thank you very much" after almost every song, it's kind of a joke on his part now since anyone that's seen them live knows this saying. First time I saw them they weren't nearly as big, and most people had probably never seen them in concert, so either no one got the "joke" or it was before it had turned into a joke. Just a minor observation...

[Quote]I know you were just being hypothetical ES, I just wanted to point those things out to everyone [/Quote]

I wasn't being hypothetical--I was completely joking dude, hence the parenthetical statement that followed. No one other than Opeth can be at fault here(that's if you choose to look at this album as less than spectactular, and some do), and it would be silly to even suggest anything outside of Opeth, most especially the label. If people read your post they'll know that, cause everything you mentioned is well expressed and 100% correct.

And in the very same tongue in cheek mindset I say....
[Quote] Was his prescense a change for the better? How close were you to him?[/Quote]

If it was worse its because of Roadrunner. Sorry couldn't help it.

I just read through the last couple of pages, and can't help but argue with Route 1. Do you even comprehend what you're saying? I beg you to provide substantial proof that one Opeth album is objectively better than another Opeth album. Hell, prove to me that any piece of music is objectively better than another.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you can't because music is largely subjective. The "objective' aspects of music that people often bring up (technique, speed, complicated compositional techniques) are really inane when you get down to it. For almost all intensive purposes, music is solely subjective. (I do believe there are reasons for music to be objectively viewed, but these are more philosophically oriented arguments and wouldn't help this argument any).

It's as if it's all subjective and based on PREFERENCE.

Hey, yeah, so, I've never posted in this thread, i used to be a huge R&M junkie, then the Pit caught my fancie, well, now, im starting to come back. Anywho, i downloaded some Opeth a while ago, i really liked it. I just found this [url]http://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/opeth/ecard.htm[/url] site for anybody who wants/needs it.
umm yeah, so, just saying hi, and letting you know that you may be seeing me posting in here every so often