[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13347112]there's no such thing as the nicest people. All races have committed equally horrible attrocities. No one is more moral than the other.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, how many wars have the Swiss been in?

the balance of power has shifted throughout history and it will do so again. Don't fret my different coloured friends my people's time at the top is pretty much over. I suggest we all start learning chinese.

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347042]That's not the point here. As a minority, I can say that I constantly feel a sense of dispalcement, that this isn't where I'm supposed to be, and that I need to act a certainw ay to be acceptable, but at the same time, there are things about my ethnic identity that I don't know enough about, and it leaves me feeling like I have an identity crisis. Entire races have been reduceed to lawn mowers, thugs, and geeks.

But at one time we were kings, warriors, and civilized beyond the point of some European countries, but still as white people are the majority, when people hear "African" they probably think of some bushtreading face painted blowgun wielding jungle savage, not the empires that spanend the Savannah and Timbuktu, where Greeks came to learn from African philosophers. "Mexican" makes us think of a river hopping gandener, not the Incas or Mayas who were tricked by Europeans and became nearly extinct. "Asians" makes you think of a nerdy kid who wears glasses and probably speaks poor English, not the continent that yielded civilizations too complex for Europeans to understand, which led to the use of "Chinese' as a slang adjective for confusing.

Not enough of anybody recognizes that.

PS: I typed this in response to Reovlution;s post at the top of the page. A lot happens eh?[/QUOTE]
Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.
[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347049]Well, if children are our future then I feel that black people will seriouly be gorrilas in 20 years.

I was reading in the paper how any sucessful African American highschool student doesn't go to African American colleges becasue they feel like they arn't black. When has been stupid been a black trait?[/QUOTE]
Any predominately poor ethnic group is bound to dehumanize themselves further and further because rather than climb the social ladder using assistane such as Affirmitive Action they content themselves with mediocrity and force themselves to believe there's nothing better to be had.

Stupidity has always been a black trait, due to economic status.

[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347144]I dunno, how many wars have the Swiss been in?[/QUOTE]

swiss mercenaries were pretty bad *** killers and known world wide up until around 1900

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.

Any predominately poor ethnic group is bound to dehumanize themselves further and further because rather than climb the social ladder using assistane such as Affirmitive Action they content themselves with mediocrity and force themselves to believe there's nothing better to be had.

[B]Stupidity has always been a black trait, due to economic status.[/B][/QUOTE]
So then are you really stupid if you can't afford to actually educate yourself?

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13347153]swiss mercenaries were pretty bad *** killers and known world wide up until around 1900[/QUOTE]

I was joking.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.
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A) Thank you for telling me exactly how I feel. Your own feelings are obviously a bulletproof model for what everyone else experiences. Latino culture has been being mixed with American culture since the 1500s, and arguably, it may or may not have been a smooth process. European countries did not have the type of relationship they had with the Americas until the 1800s. You have three hundred years on us. I don't think two cultures cannot mix. It's just pretty difficult for the Asian sense of being bound to serve your parents and my American feeling of independence that conflict.
B) I know how Latinos were born, but that doesn't mean that becase of their blood percentage levels they should forget that at least one half of their great ancestors were Native American.

I'm an American :cool:

[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347181]So then are you really stupid if you can't afford to actually educate yourself?
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You misunderstand. Poor people live in poorer neighborhoods, which have lesser education systems. Thus, poor people cannot be educated as well. However, take a smart person in a poor neighborhood. They still attend the same school and even if they are bright, they can't get any better an education, and education is critical to intelligence. If the brightest kid around was never taught to do math properly, he can't be blamed for it, but he's not smart still.
[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347182]A) Thank you for telling me exactly how I feel. Your own feelings are obviously a bulletproof model for what everyone else experiences. Latino culture has been being mixed with American culture since the 1500s, and arguably, it may or may not have been a smooth process. European countries did not have the type of relationship they had with the Americas until the 1800s. You have three hundred years on us. I don't think two cultures cannot mix. It's just pretty difficult for the Asian sense of being bound to serve your parents and my American feeling of independence that conflict.
B) I know how Latinos were born, but that doesn't mean that becase of their blood percentage levels they should forget that at least one half of their great ancestors were Native American.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.

I'm confused. Europeans were in Asia and Central America at the same time, actually, they were in Asia first. Columbus went sailing for India (Asia) in 1492, so they were well aware of that culture's presence prior. In fact, Marco Polo was trading with China as early as the 1300's. So that's over half a millenia of mutual cultural assimilation. European culture is more dominant because it's a more forceful culture but to say Europeans weren't interacting with Asians until the 1800's is ignorant.

Modern Mexican culture has existed since the European invasion, and that is what Mexican culture is. Mayan and Incan culture are not Mexican culture. If your great x 5 grandfather came from culture A, and then all your other cutural history is based in culture B, you embrace culture B because that is your dominant culture. Mayan and Incan culture is primarily dead because tehre are no more Incans or Mayans. Culture is not about the color of your skin, it's about the culture that cultivates you and is part of your identity.

Around the 1800's is when the British got brolic in Asia like they did in the Americas. You knwo, with the opium smuggling and stealing of historical artifacts and whatnot.

PS: Also known as occupation.

Cannot compute

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347251]Around the 1800's is when the British got brolic in Asia like they did in the Americas. You knwo, with the opium smuggling and stealing of historical artifacts and whatnot.

PS: Also known as occupation.[/QUOTE]

The Europeans were invited there because they offered industrialization and products related to it. Oh but Asia is a more advanced culture so they wouldn't need that, right?

You play this "I'm so displaced, my culture has been forcably taken from me" card so poorly because if you read up on history you'll realize Europeans did a lot of bad things, but the fault never lies solely upon their shoulders.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]
And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.

.[/QUOTE]

You do know that in Athens women weren't allowed to do anything,but raise children and were rarely allowed to step outside their homes? And that the Sparta was war loving city-state and would kill children if they weren't strong enough?

They had lots of philosophers and architects, but that doesn't make them any more sophisticated than the others.

people need to stop kidding themselves, all societies have always been barbaric. None of this "far ahead of its time, my culture is so grand and noble" bull****. All your ancestors were at one time or another, murdering, rapist, bastards.

[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347379]You do know that in Athens women weren't allowed to do anything,but raise children and were rarely allowed to step outside their homes? And that the Sparta was war loving city-state and would kill children if they weren't strong enough?

They had lots of philosophers and architects, but that doesn't make them any more sophisticated than the others.[/QUOTE]

Women have been "oppressed" in many cultures. Do you think Asian culture is any more lenient on them? Or Muslim? Women have always been delegated to child raisers until very recently. How many other democracies were around at that time? most other places were still feudal. How many other cultures were inventing mathematics we still use today? No culture is perfect.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347413]Women have been "oppressed" in many cultures. Do you think Asian culture is any more lenient on them? Or Muslim? Women have always been delegated to child raisers until very recently. How many other democracies were around at that time? most other places were still feudal. How many other cultures were inventing mathematics we still use today? No culture is perfect.[/QUOTE]


I'm not saying anyone is any better than anyone else. i'm just saying that Greece wasn't as perfect as you made it out to be.

[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347430]I'm not saying anyone is any better than anyone else. i'm just saying that Greece wasn't as perfect as you made it out to be.[/QUOTE]

"And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, [B]arguably.[/B]"

How is that claiming it to be perfect, I said it was arguably more advanced than any of the civilizations he mentioned not "Greece was perfect."

Japan's culture can often be very scary and ugly.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347334]The Europeans were invited there because they offered industrialization and products related to it. Oh but Asia is a more advanced culture so they wouldn't need that, right?

You play this "I'm so displaced, my culture has been forcably taken from me" card so poorly because if you read up on history you'll realize Europeans did a lot of bad things, but the fault never lies solely upon their shoulders.[/QUOTE]

The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347122]because at the end of the day, White people are still in control of most of the government and most financial isntitutions. However, this isn't White people's fault, this is due to the lack of unity in the minority demographic to strive for equality toghether.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347560]The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said[/QUOTE]

opium was flowing in china FAR before the scum british came into things. They just legalized and traded it legitmately.

That was after they forced the Chinese government to let them do it.

China didnt have a government. It was a figure head monarchy and a thousand dissorganized factions.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347448]"And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, [B]arguably.[/B]"

How is that claiming it to be perfect, I said it was arguably more advanced than any of the civilizations he mentioned not "Greece was perfect."[/QUOTE]


Didn't incans have all sorts of mathmatical ****? And I thought a lot of math, biology, etc. was brought up from the middle east.

And you didn't need to freak out because I said perfect. I didn't say anything to spark an argument, I just thought you should know about Greece.

In the 1800's it did, you're thinkign of like, Dynasty Warriors bro, that takes place in like, the 1400s. The Qin Dynasty consolidated most of China into one big country.

PS: in resposne to revolution

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347650]In the 1800's it did, you're thinkign of like, Dynasty Warriors bro, that takes place in like, the 1400s. The Qin Dynasty consolidated most of China into one big country.

PS: in resposne to revolution[/QUOTE]

China in the 1800s was a loose confederation, most of the country was unruled. The only real stability was the coastal areas, while the rest of the country was basically autonomous.

Serious stuff ITT.

I started this serious conversation.
I rool.

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady;13347720]Serious stuff ITT.[/QUOTE]



lollercaust. Good'n Joe.

'Night punx!

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and now back to your regularly schedualed community thread nonsense

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347560]The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said[/QUOTE]
The Chinese did not initially refuse to trade with the British. They were trading with the Europeans for centuries. The British were just losing lots of money on the deal because they had to trade directly silver for the goods they wanted. Except for the opium they traded into the country. The British smuggled opium into the country to make a profit, not to hook the citizens on a drug. The citizens were already hooked before the emperor banned it. The war started when the merchants were forced to give up all of their opium before entering Chinese ports, which amounted to a massive loss of money, and that triggered the war...not any drive to invade China.

I have no doubt the city was plundered. Read history...the victors always punder the riches of the losers. That's how war was done.

But right there you say people aren't equal, that's BS. If anything minorities are given more privilege than white people nowadays. It's great you have trouble balancing your cultures, but it's a mental thing, it's nothing society or the government forces on you.
[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347587]That was after they forced the Chinese government to let them do it.[/QUOTE]
The British did not force anything upon the Chinese until the actual Opium war which was over a massive loss of product. Please read history.
[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347648]Didn't incans have all sorts of mathmatical ****? And I thought a lot of math, biology, etc. was brought up from the middle east.

And you didn't need to freak out because I said perfect. I didn't say anything to spark an argument, I just thought you should know about Greece.[/QUOTE]

Both the Incans and the Mayans had a lot of mathematical theories, most especially relating to Astronomy. Most were derived before we found out about them though so we don't attribute it to them, and many more were wrong, but fit the data they had at the time. The concept of zero is attributable to them, however.

The Middle East is also the source of many ideas, due in part to the advancement of culture in that entire region...greece, turkey, all those areas. Very rich in advanced concepts.

That was definitely not me freaking out :)

But it's pretty insulting you think I wouldn't realize Greece was imperfect.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13346985]most white kids don't know sh'it about their respective european histories.[/QUOTE]

f'realz. all i know is my ancestors liked to eat potatoes and do jigs.

[QUOTE=EightMilesHigh;13349376]f'realz. all i know is my ancestors liked to eat potatoes and do jigs.[/QUOTE]

I know 'bout my respective European history. Mostly Polish.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13348290]
But right there you say people aren't equal, that's BS. If anything minorities are given more privilege than white people nowadays. It's great you have trouble balancing your cultures, but it's a mental thing, it's nothing society or the government forces on you.
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The poorer neighborhoods are mostly minority populated. Poorer neighborhoods get less education, and less education means less oppuurtunities. I don't know enough to say who's responsible, but as far as I can tell, it's mostly a lack of drive to better themselves. I never blamed the government, it says so right there. Also, I'm not in favor of affirmative action, that's reverse racism. And I do believe that my cultural conflict is a result of the society that I live in, not soemthing I made up in my head. And I didn't say it was forced on me, it's just a consequence of my circumstances. Please read everytihng I write before you respond to me.

Actually, I think it's more to do with class than race.

Exactly. Poor white people are in the same plight. Rich minorities are just as well off as white rich people. Affirmitive action would be great if it discriminated based on economic status and not race. Because race is not the dividing line anymore, class is. Poor people struggle.

There are a lot of papers out there about how cultures have meshed and created what is modern American culture, but I've never seen papers out there talking about culture clashes. The only real culture clash I see nowadays is a religion clash. So as far as I'm concerned it is in your head and if you'd like to provide evidence to prove me wrong go for it.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13350989]Exactly. Poor white people are in the same plight. Rich minorities are just as well off as white rich people. Affirmitive action would be great if it discriminated based on economic status and not race. Because race is not the dividing line anymore, class is. Poor people struggle.[/QUOTE]

I don't think race has ever been a real divide. Racism, like sexism and borders (the ones between countries), is a method used to divide working class people. The only real divide between people has always been power, and in human society, since the use of currency, money has determined power. So in a society run by money, those with money have more power than those without money, and so more opportunity to do whatever they want.

Well that's the base issue, but back in the day, there weren't free black men, and so there was a racial divider...and when women could not own property, there was a sex division...even if it all was based on power.

SEX DIVISIOon

is there a thread on Cheap Sex anywhere?

They kick just a little bit of a[size=2]s[/size]s.

edit:

WHOA, I wrote a chorus almost identical to Launch Off To War.

Trippy.

[QUOTE=Jon;13352071]is there a thread on Cheap Sex anywhere?[/QUOTE]

No, and let's keep it that way.