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As far as your wish to "reason" with people, that is exactly the kind of "tolerant" and "liberal" mindset that created the mess in the first place. You cannot reason with anything that attempts to destroy what you are. You cannot reason with something that hates everything about you and your beliefs. You cannot reason with something that you are trying to destroy. Hence the word "destroy".

More Importantly, though, if we "reason" with them, it's equivalent to conversion by the masses...sound familiar? We become the very thing we claim to war against. We reduce ourselves to hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]

Indoctrinating people against religion is just as bad. I want a world where religion is not forced upon anyone (obviously not possible) and where it is not based on lies. I don't care about religion as a spiritual force or lifestyle such as Buddhism, one of the best religions out there. You're the hypocrite by FORCING people to not follow religion, just like parents force their children to follow the religion of their parents. Destroying religion is impossible, but getting people to see the obvious fallaciousness of a religion is very doable. Religious people also don't hate me as you would proclaim, except fundamentalists and radicals, which contrary to your belief do make up a small percentage of religions. These people are themselves not following their religion but are taking it out of context and using ambiguous passages to justify their extremism (like Tyler said). I think you yourself are blinded by your unconditional hate against religion. Even Nietzsche who is one of the most anti-christian philosophers ever acknowledged that religion is not fundamentally bad, the problem arises when it is based on lies and is used as a tool of exploitation and corruption.

Black metal is anti-judeo christian, and you say destroy all religion! Half the people in the black metal scene are neo-pagans/odhinist/etc...

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15789288]I was listening to Teen Cthulhu earlier and while the mix of Power ViolencyHardcorestuff with Black Metal is cool, the keyboards are just totally roffle.[/QUOTE]

send me that sometime

Jihad! Jihad!

This whole religious war was sort of entertaining at first like when Cael was posting his plan for the destruction of Jews, but now it's just getting annoying. Can we talk about black metal now?

...Please?


I'm not sure what to think of this Ensepulchred that Josh sent me, I definitely need to listen more... the heavy synth use bothers me alot.

[quote=Silenius;15789290]religion is not fundamentally bad, the problem arises when it is based on lies and is used as a tool of exploitation and corruption.[/quote]

This was one of my original points. However, I am only saying what I think is the only cure at this point in time.

[quote]Half the people in the black metal scene are neo-pagans/odhinist/etc...[/quote]

2 pages ago I believe you will find my response to this:

[quote]Let me correct one thing, "religion" itself is not the culprit. It Is Judaeo-Christian theologies that I'm talking about.

Odhinism is technically a religion, but why would we want to destroy it?[/quote]

Paganism/Odhinism is not the enemy; it has not manifested itself in nearly such a parasitic, destructive, powerful, converting way.

I destroy jewish bitches with my shamestick.

Anything that percieves it's impending destruction will struggle twice as hard to survive. Try and destroy Islam (for example) and I guarantee you that you'll only strengthen the extremists and encourage more people who are peaceful Muslims to become fundamentalist Muslims.

Hence the crusades! and then Islamic backlashes!

[quote=Silenius;15789322]Anything that percieves it's impending destruction will struggle twice as hard to survive. Try and destroy Islam (for example) and I guarantee you that you'll only strengthen the extremists and encourage more people who are peaceful Muslims to become fundamentalist Muslims.[/quote]

Tell that to the Christians and governments who continually campaign against "inferior" and "evil" people such as Pagans and black metal artists/fans.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789333]Tell that to the Christians and governments who continually campaign against "inferior" and "evil" people such as Pagans and black metal artists/fans.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the Christians/Governments in 800 AD for us then.

[quote=i am the robots;15789339]Tell that to the Christians/Governments in 800 AD for us then.[/quote]

It continues to this day. Refer to my enlightenment about the Norweigan government a few posts back.

Cocaine: You are correct. Those churches were originally pagan temples, hence why I said they were misguided arsons. It still stands that the Norweigan government became, in itself, prejudiced based on superstitious, misguided notions, and stereotyping because of the idiotic actions of a few, much like the Christian religion does to this day.

Didn't some pagans from Norway burn churches and kill some people about ten years back? They don't have any reason at all to have this strange perception!

[quote=i am the robots;15789346]Didn't some pagans from Norway burn churches and kill some people about ten years back? They don't have any reason at all to have this strange perception![/quote]

By the same reasoning, why am I at fault for having the perceptions I do of Christians? Again, more crimes have been committed in the name of Yahveh and Allah than have been committed in the name of all other ideologies combined.

If thier perception is justified, then so is mine. You contradict yourself.

Welcome to human nature!

But Christians were the first and continuing aggressor. Hence our justification for retaliation.

[QUOTE]More crimes have been committed in the name of Yahveh and Allah than have been committed in the name of all other ideologies combined.[/QUOTE]
Really? Because I'd like to see what you're basing this on.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789369]But Christians were the first and continuing aggressor. Hence our justification for retaliation.[/QUOTE]
WE ARE THE ROMANS

Christianity: love thy neighbor. :naughty:

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789333]Tell that to the Christians and governments who continually campaign against "inferior" and "evil" people such as Pagans and black metal artists/fans.[/QUOTE]

I have never heard of christians campaigning against either. Maybe once or twice but the real issues that are TRUELY problems are ideas like that jesus will come back and rapture people or that the world is a few thousand years old. Who gives a **** if the christians don't like me because of th music a listen to (a ridivulous concept btw, as if they truely care), I don't like them either. The christian lobby has far more important issues than dealing with pagan kvlt kiddies.
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Really? Because I'd like to see what you're basing this on.[/QUOTE]

His opinion.

Guys like.... black metal is TRUE because it's so REAL rite?

[QUOTE]His opinion[/QUOTE]
But that's not a matter of opinion. You can't outright say something as clearly based on history as that and not back it up.

[quote=Cocaine;15789370]Really? Because I'd like to see what you're basing this on.[/quote]

A very well known report, you can look it up if you like. I'm too lazy to do your work for you. Some special secret hate crimes investigative unit years ago.

Even if you dispute the exact accuracy of the report, it's cause enough for justification.

Silenius: Poland threatened to ban any bands they deemed "Satanic" from ever playing in the country. Norway has banned free distribution of Burzum. I'm sure I can go find more examples.

[QUOTE]But that's not a matter of opinion. You can't outright say something as clearly based on history as that and not back it up.[/QUOTE]

No I know, was just joking anyway. :)

[QUOTE]A very well known report, you can look it up if you like. I'm too lazy to do your work for you. Some special secret hate crimes investigative unit years ago.

Even if you dispute the exact accuracy of the report, it's cause enough for justification.[/QUOTE]

lol, if you disbelieve the report i'm not gonna tell you about then that is case for justification of my argument? what logic is that?

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789385]A very well known report, you can look it up if you like. I'm too lazy to do your work for you. Some special secret hate crimes investigative unit years ago.

Even if you dispute the exact accuracy of the report, it's cause enough for justification.[/QUOTE]

My work for me? You're making outlandish statements and not backing them up because that's apparently my job. If you're going to be some flip-flopping ideologically confused turd you could try having a point before you explicitly state a bunch of random bullshit

[QUOTE]Yahveh and Allah [/QUOTE]
also if you want to get pissy Yahweh and Allah are the same person/being so wtv.

[INDENT]"The fact is that far more [COLOR=#0000ff][COLOR=black]crime[/COLOR] [/COLOR]and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus, Mohammed, and other mainstream religion than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people, including myself, don't like that statement, but the truth of it is undeniable." [/INDENT][INDENT]Kenneth Lanning, 1992 FBI special investigations report on Satanic Ritual Abuse.

I'm looking for the other report which further establishes my point...
[/INDENT]

That's because the majority of Satanist's are immature twats who are just trying to look evil.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789395][INDENT]"The fact is that far more [COLOR=#0000ff][COLOR=black]crime[/COLOR] [/COLOR]and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus, Mohammed, and other mainstream religion than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people, including myself, don't like that statement, but the truth of it is undeniable." [/INDENT]
[INDENT]Kenneth Lanning, 1992 FBI special investigations report on Satanic Ritual Abuse.[/INDENT][/QUOTE]

That doesn't actually prove anything. Just because the word crime is black and he says it's undeniable doesn't mean it's actually undeniable.

Watch.

More people have bled to death in the name of thor and elohim than in the name of Yahweh and Imahmana Viracocha. Edesia is the main cause of [color=black]poverty[/color] in the United States



What you posted doesn't establish your point. It hardly even supports it, it just restates it with some random investigator's name on the bottom. Who ****ing cares. Those aren't stats, those are ideas. Ideas that bold need justification. That isn't it.

Bitch is slacking on them banquets.

[url]http://www.twpt.com/hatecrimeshateincidents.htm[/url]

A whole multitude of mass persecution incidents against pagans.....quite an interesting read...


In addition:

[quote]Paganism is a legally recognized religion in the United States with our Churches and Temples qualifying for 501C3 tax exemption. Yet the laws governing non-discrimination based on religion do not apply to us.

Our military personel who have died in service to this country are being denied the right to have a sign of their faith put on their headstones.

Laws are being passed in individual states giving organizations accepting government funding the right to refuse to hire teachers on religious grounds.

Our children are being denied the right to wear symbols of our faith in school yet other religions are being allowed to wear symbols of their faith with no punishment involved.

Employees are being terminated because they have asked to be off on religious Holy days Pagans celebrate, and forced to be off work while non-Pagan employees celebrate their Holy days.

Hate crimes are being committed against us, yet it is unheard of for anyone to be arrested and charged with a hate crime. [/quote]

Official Petition for Pagan inclusion in U.S. Law. These are some interesting facts, no?

I am not without truth in saying persecution and crime against us is just as large, if not moreso, than our retailiation.

In relation to black metal, music is a powerful weapon. So of course they want to shut us down, governments such as Poland have already made the threat.

Here's an idea!

How do you think, say, Asatrar caught on amongst olde Norse folk?

Clearly the Gods revealed themselves! :rolleyes:

Take a wild guess at what happened in those lands before we had written history!

[QUOTE]Paganism is a legally recognized religion in the United States with our Churches and Temples qualifying for 501C3 tax exemption[/QUOTE]
I stopped reading after this. LOL. Is this serious? Is "Paganism" seriously acknowledged as "a religion"? Oh man. Oh man oh man.

Yes, but continue reading. There are facts there that cannot be ignored.